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3rd May 2019 07:16 PM
#101
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Selling blocks of land with views of a prison would take a good salesman.
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15th May 2019 08:13 PM
#102
Member
Touring Pro (Von Nida Tour)
It looks as though Growling Frog in the north of Melbourne is next on the chopping block! Not enough money rolling through, the council are considering their options...
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15th May 2019 09:28 PM
#103
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Nationwide Tour)
Originally Posted by
Flusher
It looks as though Growling Frog in the north of Melbourne is next on the chopping block! Not enough money rolling through, the council are considering their options...
GSM appear to have taken the frog over they are advertising for an operations manager on golf industry central
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15th May 2019 11:14 PM
#104
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Japanese Tour)
Originally Posted by
Flusher
It looks as though Growling Frog in the north of Melbourne is next on the chopping block! Not enough money rolling through, the council are considering their options...
An ok course,but not really close to anything from memory.
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16th May 2019 07:51 AM
#105
Senior Member
Order of Merit winner
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16th May 2019 08:15 PM
#106
Member
Club member who plays rain, hail, shine
Not sure this is the right view.
While we'd all like to play Royal Melb, Barnbougle, Augusta or Pine Valley exclusively it's important to acknowledge the roll even the most basic local course plays in bringing people into the game and helping ensure its long term survival.
My first golf was played at Rouse Hill 9 hole public course followed by Kellyville Country Club. With the benefit of time in the game I would describe both as goat tracks BUT they showed me how much fun the game could be and what a great way it was to spend time with friends. I didn't know or care the layouts were rubbish, the fairways were more dirt than grass, they didn't rate in a top course list or that they didn't have a nice clubhouse/bar/restaurant. Sadly both are long gone and replaced by overcrowded housing developments.
Every course lost impacts the future access to the game for its most important audience... those young or old who haven't yet discovered it !
Last edited by thatguy; 16th May 2019 at 08:21 PM.
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16th May 2019 09:47 PM
#107
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Japanese Tour)
Originally Posted by
thatguy
Not sure this is the right view.
While we'd all like to play Royal Melb, Barnbougle, Augusta or Pine Valley exclusively it's important to acknowledge the roll even the most basic local course plays in bringing people into the game and helping ensure its long term survival.
My first golf was played at Rouse Hill 9 hole public course followed by Kellyville Country Club. With the benefit of time in the game I would describe both as goat tracks BUT they showed me how much fun the game could be and what a great way it was to spend time with friends. I didn't know or care the layouts were rubbish, the fairways were more dirt than grass, they didn't rate in a top course list or that they didn't have a nice clubhouse/bar/restaurant. Sadly both are long gone and replaced by overcrowded housing developments.
Every course lost impacts the future access to the game for its most important audience... those young or old who haven't yet discovered it !
Well said.If it wasn't for ordinary courses we wouldn't have great ones
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17th May 2019 07:07 AM
#108
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
JoeS
Well said.If it wasn't for ordinary courses we wouldn't have great ones
The Kellyville land developer built a new modern course for the club 20 mins further out. The Ashlar developer did similar.
I don't miss Parramatta, East Hills or the Camden course (which I've forgotten the name).
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17th May 2019 08:38 AM
#109
Member
Club member who plays rain, hail, shine
Originally Posted by
Dotty
The Kellyville land developer built a new modern course for the club 20 mins further out. The Ashlar developer did similar.
I don't miss Parramatta, East Hills or the Camden course (which I've forgotten the name).
Kellyville was replaced with Lynwood and Ashlar with Stonecutters - yes both of which are better than the courses they replaced but not the same. The underlying issue is these new venues is they're not as relaxed, accessible and low cost venues to be introduced to the game as the courses they replaced.
We need to be very careful as more of the courses we deem not worthy are taken away, this is a permanent step that lessens the access to the game. The strength and future viability of a sport/game is how simple and low cost it is to try it out and learn. If the only options left are courses with great facilities but $50+ dollar green fees that even then are difficult to get a game on the weekend (because these are the courses everyone seeks to play) we're pushing newcomers away and dooming the game to become even more of an elitist pursuit than it is already perceived by many.
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17th May 2019 09:35 AM
#110
Senior Member
Major Winner
Golf is not an efficient use of the land needed, and courses were (and still are) built on the less economically-desirable land - too far out, too rocky, too steep or flood prone areas. The low-cost players need to support these courses weekly to keep them alive, otherwise those 40 hectares won't be around for their 6 games a year of $20 golf.
On the other side to the development coin ... Moore Park, Eastlake and Warringah are all on swamp land and popular, but all three are often in the sights for 'more community access'. Warringah just got a reprieve, so Marrickville is now targetted by the social warriors to convert half of it into parkland (alongside the parkland on the other side of the canal).
You don't get me. I'm part of the Union.
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17th May 2019 12:57 PM
#111
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Originally Posted by
thatguy
Every course lost impacts the future access to the game for its most important audience... those young or old who haven't yet discovered it !
the problem is we are overloaded with developer built golf courses that are unsustainable.
followed by member built and evolved golf courses that are now spending too much money to lift their standards to compete with the developer built courses surroundng them.
somethings gotta give eventually.
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17th May 2019 01:40 PM
#112
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Nationwide Tour)
Originally Posted by
Dotty
Golf is not an efficient use of the land needed, and courses were (and still are) built on the less economically-desirable land - too far out, too rocky, too steep or flood prone areas. The low-cost players need to support these courses weekly to keep them alive, otherwise those 40 hectares won't be around for their 6 games a year of $20 golf.
On the other side to the development coin ... Moore Park, Eastlake and Warringah are all on swamp land and popular, but all three are often in the sights for 'more community access'. Warringah just got a reprieve, so Marrickville is now targetted by the social warriors to convert half of it into parkland (alongside the parkland on the other side of the canal).
If the Beaches Link Tunnel goes ahead both Balgowlah and Cammeray will go.
Half of Cammeray will be closed during construction, it's a 9 hole course so 4 1/2 holes is unworkable.
The original plan has a road going through Balgowlah and the rest as sporting fields.
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20th May 2019 12:17 PM
#113
Originally Posted by
pt73
If the Beaches Link Tunnel goes ahead both Balgowlah and Cammeray will go.
Half of Cammeray will be closed during construction, it's a 9 hole course so 4 1/2 holes is unworkable.
The original plan has a road going through Balgowlah and the rest as sporting fields.
Cammeray is a chance of being a kickarse practice facility and a real short course.
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20th May 2019 02:15 PM
#114
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Gollfer69
Cammeray is a chance of being a kickarse practice facility and a real short course.
I was thinking similar this morning on the way to work, and Curlewis range and putt-putt sprung to mind.
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20th May 2019 02:27 PM
#115
Senior Member
Multiple Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Gollfer69
Cammeray is a chance of being a kickarse practice facility and a real short course.
Originally Posted by
Dotty
I was thinking similar this morning on the way to work, and Curlewis range and putt-putt sprung to mind.
Still sounds like driver on most holes for dotty
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20th May 2019 02:32 PM
#116
Senior Member
Major Winner
You don't get me. I'm part of the Union.
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20th May 2019 02:37 PM
#117
Senior Member
Multiple Major Winner
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20th May 2019 10:52 PM
#118
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
Moriset to go very shortly, Cessnock has also gone under recently.
https://www.theherald.com.au/story/6...close/?cs=7580
Not a good look to have all these courses closing down!
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9th June 2019 06:02 PM
#119
Looks like vic park in brissy is on the way out. No big loss course wise but i hope they keep their practice facilities and range.
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9th June 2019 06:04 PM
#120
Site Owner
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Originally Posted by
Sookie1
Looks like vic park in brissy is on the way out. No big loss course wise but i hope they keep their practice facilities and range.
For what? It was bequeathed to the council for sporting purposes, I believe.
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9th June 2019 06:09 PM
#121
Member
Touring Pro (Aust PGA)
A public park apparently. The course will go but they’re trying to keep the driving range I think.
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9th June 2019 06:09 PM
#122
Member
Touring Pro (Aust PGA)
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9th June 2019 06:34 PM
#123
Senior Member
Grand Slam Winner
Originally Posted by
aussieashley
A public park apparently. The course will go but they’re trying to keep the driving range I think.
Pretty sure it's all going and they're looking for area to relocate range.
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9th June 2019 06:36 PM
#124
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Ferrins
Pretty sure it's all going and they're looking for area to relocate range.
Wasn't that the whole point of Golf Central being created?
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9th June 2019 06:38 PM
#125
Senior Member
Major Winner
When are they building Minnippi?
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