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30th May 2020 05:46 PM
#1
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Stopping the flip and getting more shaft lean
So I've started to lose a lot of distance and I think the flip is getting worse
The ball should be going further with my swing speed and I'm losing it up in the air
Any drills / videos / good teachers for this???
Struggle street
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19th July 2020 02:53 PM
#51
Member
Touring Pro (Aust PGA)
I don't know what I'm doing either, but I have stopped slicing the ball in the last couple of months. The only thing I've mucked around with is my grip and trying to keep my hands out in front more during the takeaway. I'm finding I'm hitting a lot straighter and have developed a handy little draw when punching out of left side trouble. I still hit the occasional slice but it's something like once a round rather than twice a hole now. It's mostly straight or slight deviation either way, distance is decent. I hardly ever top the ball, when I do stuff it up it's fat shots, and sometimes I pull the driver left.
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31st July 2020 06:45 PM
#52
Junior Member
Fairweather club-member
Originally Posted by
Matt 3 Jab
So I've started to lose a lot of distance and I think the flip is getting worse
The ball should be going further with my swing speed and I'm losing it up in the air
Any drills / videos / good teachers for this???
Struggle street
It's only a flip if the body stops moving. The idea that the feet have to be parallel to the target line is what hurts most players because they aren't flexible enough to turn their body enough where they can maintain momentum up to impact. Duval below giving a good explanation. Most people would benefit with an open stance but the ball position is important. Relative to the target the ball stays inside the leading foot but relative to the line of the feet the ball goes back in stance. Lee Trevino setup.
Hope this helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uync0tNe-28
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31st July 2020 10:08 PM
#53
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Originally Posted by
markTHEblake
You were telling Ferrins the same thing right?
Yep, as he was so inside it was not funny
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1st August 2020 10:15 AM
#54
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Originally Posted by
flathook
It's only a flip if the body stops moving. The idea that the feet have to be parallel to the target line is what hurts most players because they aren't flexible enough to turn their body enough.
This makes sense. On the other hand Moe Norman didnt do this, and i cant figure out yet in my mind how to not flip swinging the way he does See this short clip especially the front on view comments https://youtu.be/Uolagc6TjFs
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3rd August 2020 09:02 PM
#55
Junior Member
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Originally Posted by
markTHEblake
This makes sense. On the other hand Moe Norman didnt do this, and i cant figure out yet in my mind how to not flip swinging the way he does
See this short clip especially the front on view comments
https://youtu.be/Uolagc6TjFs
Good point. He doesn't turn much. He matches a strong right hand with more of a lateral move but he still has enough momentum in his lower half to keep a short right arm before impact. Although Koepka's swing doesn't look like Moe's he does a similar thing matching a stronger right hand to a lateral move.
I like the Duval video because he talks about how it feels. Watching video of a tour pro makes it look like they are trying to close the club face but that is just the momentum of the swing. Not many would be trying to close the club face. Probably the opposite.
That lateral move is still unlikely for a lot of club golfers from what is taught as a "must have" stance where the feet are parallel to the target and the ball inside the left foot.
I still think that basic stance and setup is the biggest killer for most golfers. The swing should be taught from impact backwards and the setup sorts itself out.
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4th August 2020 01:53 PM
#56
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Originally Posted by
flathook
The swing should be taught from impact backwards and the setup sorts itself out.
My sentiment exactly.
Or actually, start from impact, talk about the 5 inches of travelling post impact. Then work backward to setup.
Last edited by andylo; 4th August 2020 at 02:01 PM.
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4th August 2020 03:06 PM
#57
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Originally Posted by
andylo
My sentiment exactly.
Or actually, start from impact, talk about the 5 inches of travelling post impact. Then work backward to setup.
Kind of EXACTLY the way Brad Hughes teaches it!!!
Hey Matty3J
Start back with drill 1 then go through the series mate, you know its the best thing rather than ‘flipping’ (pun intended) from one thing to another.
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4th August 2020 05:28 PM
#58
Senior Member
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Criticism doesn't bother me, as it means I am doing something and people are watching.
Handy-Cap
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17th August 2020 08:26 PM
#59
Axis 1 Maximus user
Order of Merit winner
Update
Strengthened both hands. Stopped losing it right.
75/76
Might be onto something
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17th August 2020 09:51 PM
#60
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Originally Posted by
Matt 3 Jab
Update
Strengthened both hands. Stopped losing it right.
75/76
Might be onto something
Oooh, something like “both V’s pointing to the right ear/shoulder”?
I’ve read a pretty good book that promotes that.
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17th August 2020 10:06 PM
#61
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
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19th August 2020 07:31 PM
#62
Axis 1 Maximus user
Order of Merit winner
Something like that
If the putter worked today it would have been another 75
79 wasn't the worst I could have had however
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19th November 2020 01:52 PM
#63
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Have you sorted this out Matt?
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19th November 2020 02:21 PM
#64
Axis 1 Maximus user
Order of Merit winner
No. I now aim right and hook it in
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19th November 2020 04:16 PM
#65
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19th November 2020 05:32 PM
#66
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Originally Posted by
Hatchman
The Tex Mex did ok shaping it in consistently.
Trevino was the most anti-flip pro ever.You CAN play golf with a flip but the club is unstable through impact and will likely be inconsistent under pressure.
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