Committee Corner

[LeftyHoges]

As big a field as it can get. I dont know what that number is, something over 200.

Do they really need a short course for over 200 players? Cairns gets through its over 200 every time now.

Sounds like a Pace of Play Policy might be required.

[PeteyD]

The introduced it at Redland Bay, but someone won off the Reds, so now we have a half arsed implementation where A and B grade can't play reds (I think, I have given up paying attention) but can play any other tee, including the Orange (which is Reds on par 3s, and a special area at the start of each fairway, designed for juniors and get into golf people).

Its stupid. Either have multi tee or do not have it.

[Webster]

Multiple tee options are a good thing so long as the handicaps are adjusted accordingly. I don't really care what others do as long as they aren't slow. Couldn't give a toss if it increases someone's chance at winning an NTP

[BobsYourUncle]

The introduced it at Redland Bay, but someone won off the Reds, so now we have a half arsed implementation where A and B grade can't play reds (I think, I have given up paying attention) but can play any other tee, including the Orange (which is Reds on par 3s, and a special area at the start of each fairway, designed for juniors and get into golf people).

Its stupid. Either have multi tee or do not have it.

This sounds more like a course rating problem.

I'm in favour of choosing a tee - we can do that at Brookwater in most comps other than medals and honour board stuff. Not many take advantage of it though. I do see the issue with NTPs though - we already see that in monthly medals where a par 3 might be 200m off the blacks but 120m from the silvers - but at least there is graded.

It's generally just easier to play from the same tees as the rest of the group. I've been meaning to play reds one day to see how I go (handicap drops by ~6 shots compared to golds).

[PeteyD]

This sounds more like a course rating problem.

I'm in favour of choosing a tee - we can do that at Brookwater in most comps other than medals and honour board stuff. Not many take advantage of it though. I do see the issue with NTPs though - we already see that in monthly medals where a par 3 might be 200m off the blacks but 120m from the silvers - but at least there is graded.

It's generally just easier to play from the same tees as the rest of the group. I've been meaning to play reds one day to see how I go (handicap drops by ~6 shots compared to golds).

Nothing wrong with the ratings, bloke just had a good day. Just people who whinge about it cos its 'Red'. Kinda pathetic really.

[BobsYourUncle]

Nothing wrong with the ratings, bloke just had a good day. Just people who whinge about it cos its 'Red'. Kinda pathetic really.

Oh, so a whinger problem. I probably should've guessed that first. They're welcome to play the reds too if it's so easy...

[jimandr]

I've been meaning to play reds one day to see how I go (handicap drops by ~6 shots compared to golds).

We do choice of tees once a year, which is why I haven't responded. And most of the old codgers are set in their ways and always play from the same tees, even if they can go from another.

Almost all of our low markers played from the reds for fun, and the assistant pro off plus 7 went 11 under because he could reach many of the par 4's in one.

[LeftyHoges]

Best thing you could do for multi tee stuff is just change the colour of the reds.

[Dotty]

Better dead than red.

I played them once (when compulsory for those not in the top 8 in each grade of club champs final round), and it didn't help this short-hitting old codger.
Actually, made it slower, as I could now reach greens with second shot on par 4s.

[shazza_rs]

a) all comps or just non honour board events

Honour board events have designated tees. For example our club champs had A and B grade ladies playing off the Orange tees and C grade playing from the Silver tees.
All other comps are multi-tee

b) are they medleys?

On Saturday there are separate men and ladies comps as well as a medley. All other days are Medleys however there is a “ladies winner” as well.

c) are they graded by tees?

Nope. Done by GA handicap regardless of what tee you chose to play off.

d) how often do you run them?

Every comp is multi tee. Unless it’s an honour board events where tees are stipulated.

e) how many tees do you offer?

4 - Black, Green, Orange, Silver

Any thoughts or experiences are welcome.

Works fine. Like others have said there is an advantage on some of the par 3’s from the front tees for NTP. Still have to hit the shot.

[markTHEblake]

Do they really need a short course for over 200 players? Cairns gets through its over 200 every time now. Sounds like a Pace of Play Policy might be required.

I dont know and didnt care, didnt bother me. Its probably the richest golf club in QLD, they seem to know what they are doing. Cairns has longer days in June.

[WBennett]

a) all comps or just non honour board eventsHonour board events have designated tees. For example our club champs had A and B grade ladies playing off the Orange tees and C grade playing from the Silver tees.All other comps are multi-teeb) are they medleys?On Saturday there are separate men and ladies comps as well as a medley. All other days are Medleys however there is a “ladies winner” as well.c) are they graded by tees?Nope. Done by GA handicap regardless of what tee you chose to play off.d) how often do you run them?Every comp is multi tee. Unless it’s an honour board events where tees are stipulated.e) how many tees do you offer? 4 - Black, Green, Orange, SilverAny thoughts or experiences are welcome. Works fine. Like others have said there is an advantage on some of the par 3’s from the front tees for NTP. Still have to hit the shot.

Thanks Shaz, really appreciate this.

[AndyP]

If we had choices of multiple tees, I'd be doing the math on the best tee for my handicap. For example, my current GA handicap is 6.2, Gold handicap is calculated as 5.43 down to a daily of 5 (ripped off .43), Blue is calculated as 3.97 for a daily of 4 (extra .03, woopee!), and White is 3.77 to a daily of 4 (extra 0.23, we have a winner). We will never get that option though as there probably isn't a big enough difference for the tees, and the par for the whites is one less (one par 5 becomes a par 4).

[WBennett]

One last question around Multi-Tee - what do you do with cards, or is it electronic cards only?

[WBennett]

If we had choices of multiple tees, I'd be doing the math on the best tee for my handicap. For example, my current GA handicap is 6.2, Gold handicap is calculated as 5.43 down to a daily of 5 (ripped off .43), Blue is calculated as 3.97 for a daily of 4 (extra .03, woopee!), and White is 3.77 to a daily of 4 (extra 0.23, we have a winner). We will never get that option though as there probably isn't a big enough difference for the tees, and the par for the whites is one less (one par 5 becomes a par 4).

It doesn't really matter in social golf though

[Dotty]

One last question around Multi-Tee - what do you do with cards, or is it electronic cards only?

You tell the pro-shop which tees you want, when you pay your comp fee.

If you want a paper card, they will print a personalised card with the appropriate hole details (par, length, indexes, etc.) and player details (name, golflink, daily handicap) onto a blank-faced scorecard.

[BobsYourUncle]

One last question around Multi-Tee - what do you do with cards, or is it electronic cards only?

We're electronic, but miscore can print different cards based on tee for visitors.

[AndyP]

It doesn't really matter in social golf though

Handicaps don't matter in social golf, which is the way it should be.

[WBennett]

You tell the pro-shop which tees you want, when you pay your comp fee.

If you want a paper card, they will print a personalised card with the appropriate hole details (par, length, indexes, etc.) and player details (name, golflink, daily handicap) onto a blank-faced scorecard.

We might have to invest in a better printer

[gco0307]

One last question around Multi-Tee - what do you do with cards, or is it electronic cards only?

Most of the guys I have played with are electronic, so we select the tee and go from there but a few still use cards and the marker (in the case I witnessed) scores same as the old ways before we had the fancy stuff.

[Benje]

Thanks all, appreciate the feedback.

Benje - as Blakey said, mixed comps. Our open to all comers comp Tuesday is a Medley off Red/White, and we have medleys whenever there are less than 6 women in the field, so they roll into the mens comp for the day. Our 9 hole and chook runs are also Medleys every week.

I think Tuesday morning might be the only one-sex comp. Women AM, and men PM.
All other daily comps are mixed competitions, with all sexes and all tees involved. Includes Wednesday and Saturday (and Sunday).
There are grades on Saturday and Wednesday with an overall winner, Grade winner/places and an overall ball run (I think).

Re NTP - c-graders have to compete with a-graders, and players from up to 4 different tees. It is a single $15 prize. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. I have won it once!
Some get upset when the par 3 of the day (NTP) is he long 12th, especially if a seabreeze is blowing

[Benje]

Re scoring, the entry sheet enables you to nominate which tee you are entering for.
Different stroke indexes apply. Score card comes out with the right info for your entry.
You only need to record the score, not work out the points.
On the app, the red tee player comes up with a red square on the hole.

I don't care where they do or don't get shots, just enter the score on the hole. However, we don't have sidebets generally, Could be a challenge for them with different indexes.

Benje

[ParkRoyal]

Re scoring, the entry sheet enables you to nominate which tee you are entering for.
Different stroke indexes apply. Score card comes out with the right info for your entry.
You only need to record the score, not work out the points.
On the app, the red tee player comes up with a red square on the hole.

I don't care where they do or don't get shots, just enter the score on the hole. However, we don't have sidebets generally, Could be a challenge for them with different indexes.

Benje

If you are using MiScore it can manage sidebets/matches as well, If you are playing 2 v 2 matches just make sure you are marking your partner (it might allow you to edit this, haven't tried).

[LeftyHoges]

Just a question out of curiosity, has anyone ever played a handicap matchplay multi-tee game?

Would be interesting to be able to choose your tee to try to determine how many shots you have to give / receive to give yourself the best chance of winning...

[Benje]

Just a question out of curiosity, has anyone ever played a handicap matchplay multi-tee game?

Would be interesting to be able to choose your tee to try to determine how many shots you have to give / receive to give yourself the best chance of winning...

just get the course handicap for each of the tees and play the difference. The matchplay index we use is about an even spread of holes, not by hole difficulty.
EG 4 shots is 4, 8, 12 and 16. 9 shots is all the even holes etc etc.
We have ensured that the par of a hole is the same from each tee, which results in a short par 5 from some forward tees. You wouldn't want a match compromised by one person playing a par 4 and the other playing a par 5.