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    Quote Originally Posted by PerryGroves View Post
    Random checks on the ball being used, penalties harsh enough to discourage anyone trying.
    This rule already exists, and they already do this kind of thing, eg COR tests. thanks for agreeing though.
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    Some interesting views from Dean Snell.
    https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/d...ball-rollback/
    such as who is going to pay for costs of developing the rolled back ball, certainly there is next to no consumer market for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    Some interesting views from Dean Snell.
    https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/d...ball-rollback/
    such as who is going to pay for costs of developing the rolled back ball, certainly there is next to no consumer market for it.
    The OEMs all tell us choppers want to play the same equipment the pros play. How can there be no market?

    And why does anyone have to pay other than those who make it? They don’t have to make one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    Some interesting views from Dean Snell.https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/d...ball-rollback/such as who is going to pay for costs of developing the rolled back ball, certainly there is next to no consumer market for it.
    The OEMs have been making proto balls forever, including a range of them specifically for testing by the USGA & R&A over the years. They’re already spending that same money on R&D. I get that it would add cost for a DTC manufacturer like Snell but no pro is going to play his balls anyway so it’s a non issue for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    such as who is going to pay for costs of developing the rolled back ball, certainly there is next to no consumer market for it.
    Wouldn't they just have to use their design, from say '89??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Puttpete View Post
    They don’t have to make one.
    Now that would be funny if rule gets implemented and nobody makes the ball.
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    Blakey, Titleist make at least 7 different balls for their tour players which aren’t available to the general public. U reckon they can’t afford to make another one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by petethepilot View Post
    Blakey, Titleist make at least 7 different balls for their tour players which aren’t available to the general public. U reckon they can’t afford to make another one?
    They’d be allocating budget for the alternative prototype designs already and would no doubt have a marketing strategy to protect the current product by differentiating it from the “tour ball”.

    The flip side to that question would be who should be paying for the works to extend gold courses over the last 10-15 years? Certainly wasn’t the manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petethepilot View Post
    Blakey, Titleist make at least 7 different balls for their tour players which aren’t available to the general public. U reckon they can’t afford to make another one?
    Dean Snell said it, not me!

    I think he knows a bit more about the industry than me, so I might take his word on it.

    you make a good point, I suspect that the R&D for the elite players special golf balls eventually do end up in retail market, so not wasted money.

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    This is long overdue, IMO.

    My only grievance is that they are not making it across the board... like, how can they not understand how far a large number of club golfers are hitting the ball nowadays?

    I have been a member at my club for ~25 years, and in this time we have built ~16 new tee boxes to add length to the course. It's just not sustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerrymoo View Post
    This is long overdue, IMO.

    My only grievance is that they are not making it across the board... like, how can they not understand how far a large number of club golfers are hitting the ball nowadays?

    I have been a member at my club for ~25 years, and in this time we have built ~16 new tee boxes to add length to the course. It's just not sustainable.
    Your club should be able to bring in the local rule.

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    PGA Tour says no.

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    I listened to Mike Clayton on the McKellen podcast today. He was scathing in his assessment of the PGAs handling of the whole thing. Pandering to titleist and a handful of players. Disregarding the architecture and design of courses.
    His suggestion was interesting, if the pga don't want it fine... roll back the shit out ta the ball for all non pga majors and events. Like 20% kinda roll back.
    Now that's what I would like to see. Rory's 2 iron at renessaince was the shot of the year so far. Driver/wedge golf is so boring.
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    If one thing has been clear of late is that the PGA isn't the be all and end all of golf.

    So if the roll back happens, they'll accept it in some way or another. Possibly some events before majors etc

    The biggest factor would be cost. Cost to R&A to develop and produce the ball or cost to manufacturers to do the same and how that's passed on to consumers to cover it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt 3 Jab View Post
    If one thing has been clear of late is that the PGA isn't the be all and end all of golf.

    So if the roll back happens, they'll accept it in some way or another. Possibly some events before majors etc

    The biggest factor would be cost. Cost to R&A to develop and produce the ball or cost to manufacturers to do the same and how that's passed on to consumers to cover it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Puttpete View Post
    Don’t manufacturers produce a new ball every year? Whatever that costs doesn’t seem to send them broke.
    But they sell a lot of them to the public. I'm not sure how many 'tour balls' that go 20% shorter they'll sell.



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    It’s a non issue. They already make the balls. They’ve made lots of proto balls for the governing bodies to test over time too, for this exact purpose. And all the manufacturers will be jizzing themselves over a chance to be the ones making the official Masters tournament ball.

    I kind of love that the pampered f**ks on the PGAT have opted out. It further reinforces that only 4 tournaments a year matter and it’ll be amazing to watch the pros adapt to a new ball at those tournaments, or like Rory as said, play the model ball year round on tour in spite of big Jay’s self serving announcement.
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    Bump.

    Looks like they’re announcing next week it’s being rolled back for everyone. Congratulations Titleist & Taylormade, your pontificating about everyone needing the play the same equipment really paid off!
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    Will be interesting how they implement this. There are so many "current" balls in the wild, it will be very hard to enforce any ball rollback in anything other than top-level pro/amateur competition for a while I'd think. That said, from what I've read, the proposed new ball won't actually perform that differently unless you're hitting 300+ bombs anyway. Interesting times.

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    This is devastating. I’m going to lose 4.5 metres with my driver. Looks like the long par 3s really are 2 shot holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    Bump.

    Looks like they’re announcing next week it’s being rolled back for everyone. Congratulations Titleist & Taylormade, your pontificating about everyone needing the play the same equipment really paid off!
    If this is true and it’s not a model local rule it’s a pretty big F you to the PGA Tour

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    I stand by my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Puttpete View Post
    If this is true and it’s not a model local rule it’s a pretty big F you to the PGA Tour
    They originally floated the bifurcation (such as baseball) and they crapped all over that (PGA did).

    So then too bad so sad I guess. I'm happy to lose 2 metres to see some more shot making on my TV.

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