2023 PGA Tour

[Matt 3 Jab]

But aren't the WGC events still happening? These are just a set of 8 or 12 (can't remember) events? Is it kinda their mini LIV tour within the PGA tour?

I think WGC are gone.

I could be wrong

And yeah. It's the top players for bigger purses. The idea however was to get the best playing the best more frequently outside of majors.

It disadvantaged the euro players at they need to play 12 plus majors plus tour championship plus the 4 or whatever euro tour events to qualify for Ryder cup.

Without forcing them to play the events it's seems against what they were going for.

Golfers do what's best for themselves, and that in turn hurts the product (I thought) they were going for. As in your just don't know who's playing each week.

LIV is ahead in that regard as you know the field. (all be it weaker generally). But if I was going to travel to an event, I'd much rather know I had a great chance of seeing cam and Phil and DJ than taking a punt bigger names would show up for another event.





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[pt73]

These basically replace WGC events, BUT without the non PGA tour members (DP world etc who don't have dual cards).

It will affect the OWGR as the bigger the field the more points now. Hence Rahms comments.

What appears to have changed is there is no longer a requirement for the top guys to be forced to play these events. The collective bargaining' of their product, basically guaranteeing the sponsors that Rory and Spieth and JT et al would be showing up to the designated events is gone. That's a weird one for me.

Now sponsors would be asked to throw up $30 million and there is a possibility that some of the big names don't show up??!!

I think the media release said the cash would bring them in. I doubt it. If they have a niggle or prepping for a major etc, they don't care about the cash (majors not cash right Rory?)

So in this, they have lost the plot. Because even if the money is bigger, they can't guarantee the battles as they can this year (players can only miss one designated event to get the 100 mill pip cash)

And now that's dropping to 50 million. Probably a good move.

Obviously the backlash from top players made them remove it. But that to me was the thing that made it different to other events.

Even Rory missing the first one in Hawaii was weird when he was pushing for them all to play against each other more

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From the link below:

https://fansided.com/2023/02/07/pga-...ent-explained/

At an elevated event, there will be more money on the line with every non-major purse sitting at least $20 million with each governing body determining the purse for those events. Meanwhile, the Top 20 players in last year’s PIP program will be required to play in all of these events with the exception of one that each player is able to miss.

[markTHEblake]

No cut is a good thing - keeps the golfers coming last interested as they are still playing for a money. Golfers that know they are missing the cut and know they aint getting paid are only interested in getting out of there as soon as they can.
Though they could still pay everyone and still have a cut, like in many 3rd round cuts that have been done.

[Matt 3 Jab]

From the link below:

https://fansided.com/2023/02/07/pga-...ent-explained/

At an elevated event, there will be more money on the line with every non-major purse sitting at least $20 million with each governing body determining the purse for those events. Meanwhile, the Top 20 players in last year’s PIP program will be required to play in all of these events with the exception of one that each player is able to miss.

That's for this year, 2023 only

From media release today there are no participation requirements. Which is a step backwards from what I thought they were going for. Ie knowing the best would play the best at these and event's.

I think they could have reduced the amount of elevated events and kept the "must play" policy as we know that the players will skip events.



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[Matt 3 Jab]

A possible other tipping point for the players may have been the lowered OWGR points for smaller events. So playing 15 limited field events may have not been ideal for rankings.

But that's a whole different issue with field size, field strength and OWGR

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[jimandr]

I'm in strong disagreement with the 2024 plan. It is borrowing the bad things about LIV. There is no coincidence that the plan is a player-led initiative. What's good for us is good for the game, apparently.

I've always disagreed about limited field invitation events getting ranking points. Giving points at the Hero challenge was and is a joke.

Part of the appeal of golf is the cut. Play badly and you go home and get nothing. That's the way it should be.

For me, there is nothing wrong with the current structure of a golf tournament. The general golfing public were not asking for any changes, and the proposal is an over-reaction.

Strangely, the one thing about the current structure that the general public doesn't like, which is the playoff system, isn't being tinkered with at all (I think).

[3Puttpete]

Doesn’t everyone with a tour card get paid $250k by the tour anyway? Why do they need guaranteed money at a tournament?

[BUSHY]

Doesn’t everyone with a tour card get paid $250k by the tour anyway? Why do they need guaranteed money at a tournament?

Not these guys…

[Matt 3 Jab]

Doesn’t everyone with a tour card get paid $250k by the tour anyway? Why do they need guaranteed money at a tournament?

Rookies get $500k now.

$250k expenses and $250k winnings which are deducted if they win money etc

Or something like that.

I believe it's a one year thing for the first time you get your card or similar

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[jimandr]

Here's something new for us to talk about, if you can get the page to work. It works on my tablet, but not on my PC.

https://www.si.com/golf/rankings

Essentially, Sports Illustrated has developed a new ranking system, to include LIV.

It clearly has more flaws than the OWGR. Kurt Kitayama at 10? Peter Uhlien at 44, and up 6 without playing? Charles Howell at 50?

And while a major criticism of OWGR is the high ranking of the Euro and other tours, in the SI version, they aren't ranked in the 100. Ryan Fox is currently 32, but out of the 100 in SI. But he'll suddenly be top 10 if he wins The Players this week.

[BUSHY]

I’ll be right back

[BobsYourUncle]

Wow...

[Bruce]

Can we get a NSFW tag if you are going to post porn like that please?

[markTHEblake]

Those designers at Miura working overtime to come up with that.

[Webster]

Yeah, it must have taken them forever to copy the 40 year old Macgregor Muirfield design and put a poofy logo on the back….

[pt73]

Yeah, it must have taken them forever to copy the 40 year old Macgregor Muirfield design and put a poofy logo on the back….

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[markTHEblake]

How about those TM designers studied thousands of hours of Tigers exacting requirements to come up nothing different, besides the logo.

And then the decision by marketing it as a custom order only is going to get them huge bonuses.

[pt73]

Tiger Woods’ former girlfriend, Erica Herman, has requested a South Florida court rule on the enforceability of a non-disclosure agreement.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/golf/ti...e4baf17d2c64be

[Webster]

Is Scott Scheffler the most boring top line player in recent memory? Completely uninspiring, unengaging, a total yawn. He reminds me of Hymie from Get Smart. If he’s the future of the PGA Tour, it’s going to decline into a slow death.

[LeftyHoges]

Is Scott Scheffler the most boring top line player in recent memory? Completely uninspiring, unengaging, a total yawn. He reminds me of Hymie from Get Smart. If he’s the future of the PGA Tour, it’s going to decline into a slow death.

Believes in imaginary friends too. Kill me now.

[Webster]

Oh, and he’s painfully slow too.

[jimandr]

Is Scott Scheffler the most boring top line player in recent memory? Completely uninspiring, unengaging, a total yawn. He reminds me of Hymie from Get Smart. If he’s the future of the PGA Tour, it’s going to decline into a slow death.

No. Patrick Cantlay is much worse. Cameron Young doesn't appear to be a barrel of laughs either. And Dustin Johnson doesn't bring the masses to LIV because of his personality.

They can't all be Jon Rahm or Tyrrell Hatton or Phil Mickelson or Tiger Woods.

Personally, I don't care. I watch the golf, and I like to watch good golf. If I want something else I'll watch WWE or UFC.

On the subject of the golf, I'm not sure which version I preferred. It was supertough the first two days, and quite easy today. It was great seeing the first 10 players hit it to 5 feet on 17, but not so exciting when every second player was doing it.

[Webster]

I was sure I had your drivel on ignore.

[LeftyHoges]

I was sure I had your drivel on ignore.

You can't put a mod on ignore, sadly.

[AndyP]

You can't put a mod on ignore, sadly.

Sucked in, dickhead.