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    https://mizunogolf.com/au/golf-clubs/jpx923-series/jpx923-hot-metals/

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    Some serious gaps in the scoring irons.

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    42.5° PW's!?!?!

    What a ****ing joke.
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    Wont be long before a iron set will consist of a Wedge, SW, LW and 7 gap wedges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    Wont be long before a iron set will consist of a Wedge, SW, LW and 7 gap wedges.
    A mate has just bought a set of SIM2 Max OS irons after being impressed by 7i demo iron he had picked up out of bargain bin. I pointed out the 7i is actually 5i loft and the 4i is the equivalent of a jacked 2i at18.5*. He got them with HL shafts thankfully, as he is going to need them!

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    That 7i is probably 5i length too!

    Coolclubs has a blog article on PGF SteelEagles, which were released in 1982, i played these for a few years back then, this is the only one of my old vats that i can find specs for. The 6i is 34d and 37.0 inches, i expect that would be fairly standard for all irons prior to the loft wars
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    That 7i is probably 5i length too!

    Coolclubs has a blog article on PGF SteelEagles, which were released in 1982, i played these for a few years back then, this is the only one of my old bats that i can find specs for. The 6i is 34d and 37.0 inches, i expect that would be fairly standard for all irons prior to the loft wars
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    My daughter's bf has a set of Callaway with the 4i at 18.5*, and I think it's the same length as my 3i which is 21*.

    I know the new Ping ChipR says it has a 9i loft of 38.5*, but my 9i is 43*. And I'm more than happy for mine to be as they are!
    I've noticed on the ping website, a lot of their irons you can order in standard, power spec, or retro spec lofts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goughy View Post
    My daughter's bf has a set of Callaway with the 4i at 18.5*, and I think it's the same length as my 3i which is 21*. I know the new Ping ChipR says it has a 9i loft of 38.5*, but my 9i is 43*. And I'm more than happy for mine to be as they are!I've noticed on the ping website, a lot of their irons you can order in standard, power spec, or retro spec lofts.
    Most if not all of the game improvement irons have stronger lofts like that. I recently got new irons but I hate the size and shape of GI ones anyway and went with T100. The 7i is 34°, 9i is 42°, PW is 46° which fit in nicely with my other wedges that start at 50° and also have 4° gaps. Distance gapping across the whole lot is ideal.

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    Learn how far the club goes, the numbers mean Jack sh1t

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    I love Mizuno, but a 42.5 PW is just silly. I play rogue pro's with a 45° at the moment and that is bad enough with the gap to a 50° Gap wedge.

    No way you could use the set wedges in the non pro version, unless you were really low swing speed.

    I guess you could use the pros 4-PW add 48,52,56,60 wedges and putter and driver and you have one club between driver and 4 iron so not sure how that is meant to work.

    Drop the 4 out, add a hybrid maybe?

    All that said TXG reviewed the line up on their youtube channel and loved it. If you mix a bag between the lines and had the right fitter it may work.

    Just seems a lot of work to put a bag together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeS View Post
    Learn how far the club goes, the numbers mean Jack sh1t
    You are right, but there is another consideration. Short irons, 8iron up have a different shape and therefore not the same performance characteristic then mid/long irons. This is possibly a throwback to the original Nibilick which was kind of a pitching' club, and thus 8 iron is also a pitching club. If we have a 42 deg wedge, that means we now have a 34 degree (or even lower) 8 iron. For the average hack this probably doesnt matter, and may even benefit him, and i am not that sure how it effects me either but there has to be a good reason.

    If this trend does not stop, one day people will be saying "hey you should get rid of that hard to hit 8 iron"
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    It's part of the hero complex! We see pro's hitting 8i 200 yards and we want to too! Maybe we should move to just having the degrees on clubs, and you can pick what you want? I've written my club distances on the hosel of each iron and once I've determined the distance (factoring wind, elevation etc), I just grab whichever one has the right distance, and if it's in between I go the longer one.

    I really need to do my 4w and hybrid, but the range with Toptracer is irons only, and I haven't been out to the further away range for a while. But they also can't tell me what limiting their range balls are at.
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    Loft-jacking sells clubs. I'm sure there is some tech in there that launches the ball higher (per degree of loft) and so it comes in steeper and stops quicker (although these also have less spin, so maybe not), but it sells clubs - when someone walks in to a shop to try some new clubs, their 10 year old 7 iron goes 130. They pick up the new 7 iron and hit it 150, and hand over their credit card, not realising they're not comparing apples to apples, and that their new "7" iron is more like their old 5 iron. They are easier to hit, but it's harder to sell a club on forgiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobsYourUncle View Post
    Loft-jacking sells clubs. I'm sure there is some tech in there that launches the ball higher (per degree of loft) and so it comes in steeper and stops quicker (although these also have less spin, so maybe not), but it sells clubs - when someone walks in to a shop to try some new clubs, their 10 year old 7 iron goes 130. They pick up the new 7 iron and hit it 150, and hand over their credit card, not realising they're not comparing apples to apples, and that their new "7" iron is more like their old 5 iron. They are easier to hit, but it's harder to sell a club on forgiveness.
    That is what I told my mate. A lot of GI Clubs are designed these days to impress on the Launch Monitor and/or on the Driving Range. Then the punter wonders why he can't hit the shots on the course.

    I play with different sets of irons a lot and part of the challenge fun for me is having to adjust my game to the different specs and characteristics.

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    Contrary viewpoint:

    I currently use a set of Callaway Rogue X - these would be the very definition of 'loft-jacking' for many people, but they actually work really well for me.

    They are very low spin irons, and as a high spin player in a really windy location (just checked WeatherZone - currently 40km/h from the NW, with gusts of 60km/h), I get a much better and more consistent flight from them than my old Apex CF16s (for example). They are ugly as all buggery, and don't feel as good as my Apex, but I can't argue with the flight they give me.

    A friend (who is a pro and familiar with my game) suggested them to me, and I haven't switched irons for a number of years now (a lifetime for me). There are good reasons for some people using these clubs beyond simply boasting about using a wedge from 150 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart View Post
    Contrary viewpoint:

    I currently use a set of Callaway Rogue X - these would be the very definition of 'loft-jacking' for many people, but they actually work really well for me.

    They are very low spin irons, and as a high spin player in a really windy location (just checked WeatherZone - currently 40km/h from the NW, with gusts of 60km/h), I get a much better and more consistent flight from them than my old Apex CF16s (for example). They are ugly as all buggery, and don't feel as good as my Apex, but I can't argue with the flight they give me.

    A friend (who is a pro and familiar with my game) suggested them to me, and I haven't switched irons for a number of years now (a lifetime for me). There are good reasons for some people using these clubs beyond simply boasting about using a wedge from 150 yards.
    Yep, they are loft jacked for sure!

    What do you do regarding wedges?

    The thing is you know what you are buying and why it works, so there is a place for that. Most of the public just see a number on the sole and assume like for like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goughy View Post
    Maybe we should move to just having the degrees on clubs, and you can pick what you want?.
    That makes sense but doesnt solve the problem that many seem to miss. As short irons ( 8 iron up) are now getting around 30 degrees, it means a player needs even more specialty wedges to fill those gaps.

    Golfers should be swinging differently with short irons and wedges, and particularly the wedge club head has a totally different function and performance. This might benefit some golfers, but i dont want 5-6 wedges in my bag.

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    That's part of the reason I wanted to get irons with more traditional lofts when I got them. I didn't want to have a million wedges in the bag just to hit an "8 iron" 160 metres.

    I'm sure my old ones were similarly lofted, they were GI I suppose but about 20 years old. My distances with the new ones are similar, maybe a little longer, but that wasn't really a priority when considering what I wanted. I don't mind that they're similar, didn't take long to work out how far each one goes on average at least. Distance gaps between them all the way through the set is about 8-10 metres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolish View Post
    What do you do regarding wedges?
    I actually don't see this as a major problem to be honest - as MTB says, each person needs to decide at which point they transition from the 'set' irons to specialist wedges. For me, I am more than comfortable with my gapping with the bottom of the bag going from 46, 50, 54 and 58 degrees. The 46 degree is predominantly used for full shots, while the three others are used for mostly partial shots.

    Everyone's mileage will vary of course, and my teenage self would sneer at not using traditionally lofted blades (ah, my old butter knife Tom Watson Golden Rams), but I found it quite easy to transition to this setup actually.

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