Lockdown again in Vic

[Webster]

You are beyond stupid.

[sms316]

It’s been scientifically proven that anti vaxxers cause slow play. Rounds in Sydney will be 30 minutes faster.

[LeftyHoges]

I can't believe so many are ok with 2 classes of people based on vaccination status, especially at a golf club of all places. The majority of activity at a golf club outside FFS!!! With 80% of the population vaccinated, how much risk are you truly at? Even now, with cases so high in Sydney, less than 1% of people tested (for the most part) are positive. That's not a huge number.

Vaccinations are not mandatory in this country and for good reason. What about those that can't have the vaccination for other reasons other than choice? What about kids that are under 12 where there is no vaccine available for them? Does that mean they can't play golf or go to a golf club at all because they can't be vaccinated? How are golf clubs qualified to make decisions about a memebers or visitors medical status? Vaccine passports and the like (which is exactly what this is) are not the way forward for Australia. I suppose everyone is ok with the use of QR codes, with no end in sight to that as well? There's also been talk on here that people should recind their rights to medical treatment for COVID if they choose not to be vaccinated? How can anyone say that with a straight face. That's a shocking statement to make. Anyone who thinks that's the way to go (it will never happen thankfully), aren't thinking properly. That's just a simplistic, emotional response.

COVID is obviously dangerous and can kill people. But so can the flu, so can pneumonia, so can a car accident, so can choking on a fish bone, so can a heart attack, so can getting hit in the head from a golf ball. Obviously these are not all the same thing as an infectious disease but the activities that lead to these incidents, all carry that risk. I don't see the Government legislating controls or restrictions sufficient to reduce the risks of all those things, much less lock people in their homes or prevent people earning a living. This is all about risk. Yes, a risk to health but it's about managing and living with that risk.

There are so many things in our lives that carry risk but because over time we are desenitised to most of those risks, we don't even consider them. COVID is a new risk in our world that we have to live with going forward, but that doesn't mean we have to throw all our values out the window and start controlling what people do or don't do based on their medical status. If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, then don't. It shouldn't mean that you have any less rights to live the life you want (within reason of course - some health professions should be required to vaccinate for the wellbeing of patients in at risk groups) compared to those that are vaccinated.

Splitting the population based on their vaccination status is the first step in the wrong direction and feels like the Government has done a great job at scaring the shit out of everyone to the point where they have lost all sense of what living with risk in a free, democratic country looks like.

I'm perfectly fine with "2 classes" of people, thank you very much. First things first, golf is not an essential activity, you don't have to do it to survive, so everyone can quit their god damn bitching about COVID restrictions and golf. ****s sake.

The highlighted part is where you absolutely shoot yourself in the foot with your argument. A flu can kill you, but we don't have a "vaccine / cure" for the flu. And this shit is bigger and badder than the flu. Pneumonia exactly the same. A car accident is circumstances outside of your control (or your own stupid doing) and the governemnt HEAVILY impose restrictions and controls by enforcing speed limits, driver distraction, roadworthiness of vehicles, seatbelts etc. How you could even begin to equate COVID with driving a car is beyond belief. Fish bones, heart attacks, golf ball hits? Jesus Christ, could you come up with any stranger, less relevant arguments to make?

Values? How about the values of protecting the weak and immuno-deficient?

Yes, I have no issues AT ALL wth QR Codes and Vaccine Passports going forward. And absolutely no issue with non-medical treatment for COVID for non-vaccinated. YOU'VE made that stupid choice, deal with the consequences. Any chance people in this ****ing lifetime want to actually take some care and responsibility for their fellow man? So ****ing sick of this me, me, me, I know better than everyone else mentality. And all this bullshit about "freedom"? Freedom doesn't give you the right to act like a complete ****wit just because you don't agree with something.

If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, give me one ****ing sane and logical reason why not. Don't have one? Prepare to have your life restricted because of it, you selfish twat.

But I suppose you're absolutely fine with the death toll climbing through the thousands unneccesarily?

[sms316]

Natural selection.

[Jazz18]

I'm perfectly fine with "2 classes" of people, thank you very much. First things first, golf is not an essential activity, you don't have to do it to survive, so everyone can quit their god damn bitching about COVID restrictions and golf. ****s sake.

The highlighted part is where you absolutely shoot yourself in the foot with your argument. A flu can kill you, but we don't have a "vaccine / cure" for the flu. And this shit is bigger and badder than the flu. Pneumonia exactly the same. A car accident is circumstances outside of your control (or your own stupid doing) and the governemnt HEAVILY impose restrictions and controls by enforcing speed limits, driver distraction, roadworthiness of vehicles, seatbelts etc. How you could even begin to equate COVID with driving a car is beyond belief. Fish bones, heart attacks, golf ball hits? Jesus Christ, could you come up with any stranger, less relevant arguments to make?

Values? How about the values of protecting the weak and immuno-deficient?

Yes, I have no issues AT ALL wth QR Codes and Vaccine Passports going forward. And absolutely no issue with non-medical treatment for COVID for non-vaccinated. YOU'VE made that stupid choice, deal with the consequences. Any chance people in this ****ing lifetime want to actually take some care and responsibility for their fellow man? So ****ing sick of this me, me, me, I know better than everyone else mentality. And all this bullshit about "freedom"? Freedom doesn't give you the right to act like a complete ****wit just because you don't agree with something.

If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, give me one ****ing sane and logical reason why not. Don't have one? Prepare to have your life restricted because of it, you selfish twat.

But I suppose you're absolutely fine with the death toll climbing through the thousands unneccesarily?

I'm talking about risk. I'm not equating COVID with all those things but I can see the fear mongering from government and health officials has scared the living shit out of you.

The immuno compromised may be some of those people ur willing to kick to the kerb if they are advised by their doctor not to have a vaccination. And there are flu vaccinations and vaccinations and treatments for some types of pneumonia infections so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

All I'm saying is that there are lots of things that could kill us that we live with every day but we don't give them a second thought. Now all of a sudden we are going to discard a particular group people because they don't have a vaccination for COVID? It's not that simple.

[Jazz18]

You are beyond stupid.

What a good argument, intelligently expressed.

[benno_r]

Aren't the "unvaccinated" just the "them" group the governments can point the finger at for the blame, so they can deflect it from themselves?

[Webster]

I was going to say "You are stupid", but felt it didn't go far enough.

How many jabs have you had?

[Johnno]

I'm talking about risk. I'm not equating COVID with all those things but I can see the fear mongering from government and health officials has scared the living shit out of you. The immuno compromised may be some of those people ur willing to kick to the kerb if they are advised by their doctor not to have a vaccination. And there are flu vaccinations and vaccinations and treatments for some types of pneumonia infections so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. All I'm saying is that there are lots of things that could kill us that we live with every day but we don't give them a second thought. Now all of a sudden we are going to discard a particular group people because they don't have a vaccination for COVID? It's not that simple.

Advised by a doctor would be a medical exemption. Hasn't Galdys said people with 2 shots or valid medical exemptions can start the road back to the new normal.

[Jazz18]

I was going to say "You are stupid", but felt it didn't go far enough.

How many jabs have you had?

Not that it's any of your business but 2.

[Jazz18]

Advised by a doctor would be a medical exemption. Hasn't Galdys said people with 2 shots or valid medical exemptions can start the road back to the new normal.

Could be, I haven't heard it though. Would be a good place to start.

[Webster]

You should be ok then.

[3Puttpete]

I can't believe so many are ok with 2 classes of people based on vaccination status, especially at a golf club of all places.

Golf clubs do it with members/non-members, collared shirts etc

If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, then don't. It shouldn't mean that you have any less rights to live the life you want (within reason of course - some health professions should be required to vaccinate for the wellbeing of patients in at risk groups) compared to those that are vaccinated.

Splitting the population based on their vaccination status is the first step in the wrong direction

You've just split the population based on their vaccination status.

[Ron Burgundy]

Everyone has freedom of choice, but not freedom from consequences. It applies to the COVID vax like it does to every other aspect of life.

Don’t want the vax. Fine
Don’t want to wear a seatbelt. Fine
Don’t want to pay tax. Fine

Just get ready for the consequences.

[benno_r]

Everyone has freedom of choice, but not freedom from consequences. It applies to the COVID vax like it does to every other aspect of life.

Don’t want the vax. Fine
Don’t want to wear a seatbelt. Fine
Don’t want to pay tax. Fine

Just get ready for the consequences.

You'll still get medical treatment if you choose not to wear a seatbelt and have an accident though.

[Ron Burgundy]

You'll still get medical treatment if you choose not to wear a seatbelt and have an accident though.

So will the folks who choose malaria tablets or horse dewormer instead of the vax.

[Jazz18]

You'll still get medical treatment if you choose not to wear a seatbelt and have an accident though.

Or if you speed.....or if you're drunk or on drugs.

[Jazz18]

So will the folks who choose malaria tablets or horse dewormer instead of the vax.

There have been many people around the world who have been treated that way. Many countries endorsing it. Japan is one of them I heard. Why not at least put effort into investigating it? It seems the TGA have dismissed it outright before it was even looked at.

[benno_r]

So will the folks who choose malaria tablets or horse dewormer instead of the vax.

Exactly, and I am OK with that.

Avoiding the vaxx if you have no legitimate reason to is silly IMO, but denying our fellow Australians medical assistance for ANY reason is even sillier.

[Ron Burgundy]

There have been many people around the world who have been treated that way. Many countries endorsing it. Japan is one of them I heard. Why not at least put effort into investigating it? It seems the TGA have dismissed it outright before it was even looked at.

You’re free to take it too. If nothing else you won’t have malaria or equine parasites.

[Jazz18]

Golf clubs do it with members/non-members, collared shirts etc



You've just split the population based on their vaccination status.

I was waiting for this one.

Collared shirt Vs medical procedure. The collared shirt won't kill you. The vaccination could. Small risk, but people still need to have the freedom to make the choice.

And of course, there needs to be exceptions. An old person in the retirement village doesn't choose who looks after them each day and should be protected as they are in a high risk group. We must protect the vulnerable. But why should someone making a choice be stopped from going to the pub or playing golf or going to restaurant or going to work to earn a living ie living life. It's not right.

[Ron Burgundy]

Exactly, and I am OK with that.Avoiding the vaxx if you have no legitimate reason to is silly IMO, but denying our fellow Australians medical assistance for ANY reason is even sillier.

No one is ever going to be denied lifesaving healthcare regardless of their personal choices. It’s not how the healthcare system works. Everything outside of that is fair game. ‘No shirt, no shoes, no service’ can reasonably become ‘no shirt, no shoes, no vax, no service’.

[Jazz18]

You’re free to take it too. If nothing else you won’t have malaria or equine parasites.

So none of any of the research done to date is valid? It's all bullshit?

[Ron Burgundy]

So none of any of the research done to date is valid? It's all bullshit?

Yes. It’s all bullshit.

[LeftyHoges]

I'm talking about risk. I'm not equating COVID with all those things but I can see the fear mongering from government and health officials has scared the living shit out of you.

The immuno compromised may be some of those people ur willing to kick to the kerb if they are advised by their doctor not to have a vaccination. And there are flu vaccinations and vaccinations and treatments for some types of pneumonia infections so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

All I'm saying is that there are lots of things that could kill us that we live with every day but we don't give them a second thought. Now all of a sudden we are going to discard a particular group people because they don't have a vaccination for COVID? It's not that simple.

You ABSOLUTELY equated COVID to them WHEN YOU COMPARED THEM.

"Fear mongering"???? What the **** are you on about??? I read information on COVID from Health Officers and Virologists, who pass their knowledge on to / advise Governments. The only thing I fear is the braindead ****tards who think they know better than scientists with decades of years of experience in such a specialised field.

I'm trying NOT TO kick the immuno-compromised to the kerb, you dolt. They CAN'T have a vaccinatioon, which is why the rest of us NEED to. So that they can function in society once we get to a FAR MORE manageable level.

You're right, there ARE plenty of things that can kill us that we live with every day. The stuff that is likely to happen without controls (ie. car accidents) are HEAVILY regulated, as I explained earlier. The absolute lightning strike stuff (fish bones, getting hit by a golf ball) we don't worry about because basic society as a whole has deemed them acceptable levels of risk.

Let me make it clear, the ONLY group I'm happy to discard are the anti-vaxxers. Society as a whole will be far better off without those mouth-breathing, self-serving, "flag-waving", "you can't take away my civil rights" morons.