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    If the ball did not bounce and you need a rules official to clarify the situation wouldn't you leave the ball where it lies, explain the situation and then lift the ball (under inspection) for the rules official to check the ground below?

    Patrick moved the ball to claim assumption of ball position rather than its precise location. Had it stayed there the ruling would have been play it as it lies as the ball did actually bounce and lie on its second grounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    The article is misleading.

    “He can then be heard telling the official, not once but twice, that his ball hadn't bounced.” Is incorrect.

    He actually told the official “They said it didn’t bounce”

    As for the video, the USGA and R&A said in 2017

    (1) the “naked eye” standard (if video shows the existence of a breach of the Rules based on facts the player was not aware of at the time and that could not reasonably have been seen with the naked eye, there will be no penalty), and (2) the “reasonable judgment” standard (if a player does all that can reasonably be expected in making a determination about a spot, area, point, line, distance or other location in applying the Rules, the player’s reasonable judgment will be upheld even if later shown to be wrong by video evidence or other information.)

    He’s also allowed to lift his ball to check if it might be embedded.

    Other than arguing he and the volunteer closest to the landing spot are lying about seeing it bounce, I can’t see he didn’t anything wrong.
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    Reed Derangement Syndrome is rife on social media and here it seems. So many assumptions by the mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecollective View Post
    If the ball did not bounce and you need a rules official to clarify the situation wouldn't you leave the ball where it lies, explain the situation and then lift the ball (under inspection) for the rules official to check the ground below?

    Patrick moved the ball to claim assumption of ball position rather than its precise location. Had it stayed there the ruling would have been play it as it lies as the ball did actually bounce and lie on its second grounding.
    So he just picked it up without marking it? I hadn’t seen that confirmed, thanks for clearing it up.

    In that case he’s a magician for pointing the rules official to a random spot he knew the official would feel and determine there was an indentation in the ground you can’t see through the grass.

    The whole world knows it bounced because we saw the video. They can’t use the video to make the decision.

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    I haven't really followed this too closely, but weren't they playing "lift, clean and place" anyway due to the wet conditions ?


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    nothing suss here at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backintheswing View Post
    I haven't really followed this too closely, but weren't they playing "lift, clean and place" anyway due to the wet conditions ?
    Yes but lift clean and place is only on the fairway, Reeds ball was in the rough.If no one saw it bounce, he did exactly what he is allowed to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve57 View Post
    Yes but lift clean and place is only on the fairway, Reeds ball was in the rough.If no one saw it bounce, he did exactly what he is allowed to do.
    Copy on the fairway part


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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    So he just picked it up without marking it? I hadn’t seen that confirmed, thanks for clearing it up.

    In that case he’s a magician for pointing the rules official to a random spot he knew the official would feel and determine there was an indentation in the ground you can’t see through the grass.

    The whole world knows it bounced because we saw the video. They can’t use the video to make the decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    Other than arguing he and the volunteer closest to the landing spot are lying about seeing it bounce, I can’t see he didn’t anything wrong.
    After he picks up his ball he has his hand in the rough for about 5-10 seconds, then proceeds to use the towel on his bag to clean his hand. Then the rules official comes and confirms that they could 'feel a lip on it' and that it feels like the ball had broken the ground.

    How on earth could a ball that bounced (no higher than a foot or so) have broken ground once landing to a point you could feel where it had become embedded?

    The guy has either pushed his ball into the ground or lifted his ball to check and once he's realised there was no problem he's made a pitch mark or something with his thumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickles View Post
    After he picks up his ball he has his hand in the rough for about 5-10 seconds, then proceeds to use the towel on his bag to clean his hand. Then the rules official comes and confirms that they could 'feel a lip on it' and that it feels like the ball had broken the ground.

    How on earth could a ball that bounced (no higher than a foot or so) have broken ground once landing to a point you could feel where it had become embedded?

    The guy has either pushed his ball into the ground or lifted his ball to check and once he's realised there was no problem he's made a pitch mark or something with his thumb.
    That’s an assumption. There’s no proof of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamonds View Post
    Who else removes their ball from the questionable (2nd bounce plug WTF) before the official or marker is present.
    There is no rule that says an official or marker must be present. There is also no penalty for pleading/begging/asking for relief before or after taking the relief, nor is that cheating. If it was 3/4's of tour players would be cheats including Tiger Woods.

    He either broke a rule by taking relief or he didnt. The rules officials decide that.


    I reckon the rest of the field say we aren't playing unless he is DQed or withdraws.
    That would absolutely be the worst thing that could happen to the game. Last thing we want is for golf professionals to carry on like facebook warriors.
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    If it wasn't Patrick Reed we wouldn't be hearing about it as much.

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    Would love to see Hovland win at Torrey Pines, I've picked Xander, but I think he is too far back.

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    I feel your pain Victor, lip out the birdie putt only to miss the two footer for par
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    Can't argue Reed's talent and it was on display. He has oodles of it.

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    Will be interesting to see how this unfolds now that he's 7.5mil richer...

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    Finally Fatricks cheating has paid off with a win.

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    A lot of jealousy in this thread. Take inspiration from it, and learn to be more "creative" on the course instead.

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    Maybe next time, Patrick could run it by the rules official before doing anything controversial.

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    It was only controversial because it was Patrick. He did follow the procedure according to the rules as I understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    It was only controversial because it was Patrick. He did follow the procedure according to the rules as I understand it.
    Exactly... so a little self-awareness goes a long way when you're that famous, and have that kind of past. Admittedly, you would assume your mind is on nothing but the next shot when you're playing at that level.

    Seems to me that he played within the rules, but did he play within the morals of the top level sport? I have no idea, and really can't have an idea until I play at that level... so never will have an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecollective View Post
    Patrick moved the ball to claim assumption of ball position rather than its precise location.
    I admit this was not quite correct (after watching the replay more closely as at the time I was making judgement on a single live view) but even still you should not just lift your ball and start prodding around without being in the presence of another player or a rules official.


 

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