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    Default Stopping the flip and getting more shaft lean

    So I've started to lose a lot of distance and I think the flip is getting worse

    The ball should be going further with my swing speed and I'm losing it up in the air

    Any drills / videos / good teachers for this???

    Struggle street

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    I don't know what I'm doing either, but I have stopped slicing the ball in the last couple of months. The only thing I've mucked around with is my grip and trying to keep my hands out in front more during the takeaway. I'm finding I'm hitting a lot straighter and have developed a handy little draw when punching out of left side trouble. I still hit the occasional slice but it's something like once a round rather than twice a hole now. It's mostly straight or slight deviation either way, distance is decent. I hardly ever top the ball, when I do stuff it up it's fat shots, and sometimes I pull the driver left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt 3 Jab View Post
    So I've started to lose a lot of distance and I think the flip is getting worse

    The ball should be going further with my swing speed and I'm losing it up in the air

    Any drills / videos / good teachers for this???

    Struggle street
    It's only a flip if the body stops moving. The idea that the feet have to be parallel to the target line is what hurts most players because they aren't flexible enough to turn their body enough where they can maintain momentum up to impact. Duval below giving a good explanation. Most people would benefit with an open stance but the ball position is important. Relative to the target the ball stays inside the leading foot but relative to the line of the feet the ball goes back in stance. Lee Trevino setup.

    Hope this helps.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uync0tNe-28




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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by flathook View Post
    It's only a flip if the body stops moving. The idea that the feet have to be parallel to the target line is what hurts most players because they aren't flexible enough to turn their body enough.
    This makes sense. On the other hand Moe Norman didnt do this, and i cant figure out yet in my mind how to not flip swinging the way he does See this short clip especially the front on view comments https://youtu.be/Uolagc6TjFs

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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    This makes sense. On the other hand Moe Norman didnt do this, and i cant figure out yet in my mind how to not flip swinging the way he does See this short clip especially the front on view comments https://youtu.be/Uolagc6TjFs
    Good point. He doesn't turn much. He matches a strong right hand with more of a lateral move but he still has enough momentum in his lower half to keep a short right arm before impact. Although Koepka's swing doesn't look like Moe's he does a similar thing matching a stronger right hand to a lateral move.
    I like the Duval video because he talks about how it feels. Watching video of a tour pro makes it look like they are trying to close the club face but that is just the momentum of the swing. Not many would be trying to close the club face. Probably the opposite.
    That lateral move is still unlikely for a lot of club golfers from what is taught as a "must have" stance where the feet are parallel to the target and the ball inside the left foot.
    I still think that basic stance and setup is the biggest killer for most golfers. The swing should be taught from impact backwards and the setup sorts itself out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flathook View Post
    The swing should be taught from impact backwards and the setup sorts itself out.
    My sentiment exactly.

    Or actually, start from impact, talk about the 5 inches of travelling post impact. Then work backward to setup.
    Last edited by andylo; 4th August 2020 at 02:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andylo View Post
    My sentiment exactly.

    Or actually, start from impact, talk about the 5 inches of travelling post impact. Then work backward to setup.
    Kind of EXACTLY the way Brad Hughes teaches it!!!

    Hey Matty3J

    Start back with drill 1 then go through the series mate, you know its the best thing rather than ‘flipping’ (pun intended) from one thing to another.

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