OzGolf (State) Stroke Champs method

[Fishman Dan]

Seeing as though the entire 1st tee thread is a debacle if you don't go in there regularly, I thought i'd post this in here and you can all argue about it for a month while I'm away.

I think the Stroke Champs (QLD/VIC/NSW) should be decided by the persons performance at their home course Medal round.

Benefits:

* Scores are easily tracked and reported via GolfLink.
* Everyone plays a course they are familiar with. No arguments as to who has an advantage
* Choppers can't complain that the round at The Vintage/Magenta/Brookwater etc cost them the title because they are only a crap golfer (no matter how much Tour gear they use)
* Total possible of 12 rounds played per year. Obviously the alleged "Rules Committee" can decide on how many need to count.
* People in remote areas (Ducky, Coffs Hacker, Speirsy) aren't excluded, as long as they play their Medal days.
* This concept can even be used to determine the national winner, with prizes for State winners.... (National winner can't win his/her state).

Feel free to list the negatives of the idea.

I figure it's the only way that the majority of people can play and be included, on a track that everyone is familiar with, and therefore consciously be convinced they are the most prepared on the day. Sure it's better to hold numerous days together, but take NSW for instance - we've seen the likelihood of getting (the same) 12+ people to 4 - 6 rounds per years. It's not going to happen.

[Grunt]

I would be out of it as I doubt I would play 5 medal rounds a year with a Sydney Club as my home and with a Country home club that could very well be none.

[AndyP]

What about those that don't and can't play medal days? Choppa, Vegas, golfer69, etc.

And why is the 1st tee area a debacle?

[Fishman Dan]

Too much unread stuff and the place has gone to the pack. Too many sub-threads.. too confusing. Of course move this thread there if you wish.

Do Choppa, Vegas etc currently play enough of the QLD OzGolf stroke rounds to qualify?

I see Grant's point, but what are we talking here - potentially lose 1 candidate to gain 5 more? The NSW stroke champs have been a bit of a farce.

[Courty]

Isn't this close to what the Vardon event is recording?

[AndyP]

Too much unread stuff and the place has gone to the pack. Too many sub-threads.. too confusing. Of course move this thread there if you wish.

You're easily confused then.
Gone to the pack, because so many games are organised? Enlighten me here, how can it be improved?

Do Choppa, Vegas etc currently play enough of the QLD OzGolf stroke rounds to qualify?

To qualify for what? Player of the Year? We don't have that stroke thing like the NSW stroke champs.

[BrisVegas]

what are you on about Fishy???

[PeteyD]

I think they have an OzGolf stroke championship for NSW.

[Fishman Dan]

I think they have an OzGolf stroke championship for NSW.

Yes, and so far they have both turned up to every game

There's a Vardon event?

[TS]

Dan. The idea for the ozgolf NSW Stroke event is for NSW ozgolfer to get together and have some fun. Although we haven't been very sucessful in getting many people together. We did have 3 of them so far (1 was washed out). I can't see any value in using the scores from our home club.

[Courty]

Note: Fishy has just been entered in the Vardon...

[Fishman Dan]

TS - just to level the playing field. I see the vardon is up and running (must be new, i hadn't entered ).

For heavens sake, make a 'suggestion' around here and you suddenly become Public Enemy #1!

[AndyP]

And thanks to your suggestion, I've deleted the 1st Tee area all together. All games are now to be organised via the chatroom.

[Jarro]

You gotta keep up with what's happening Fishguts

Do your research before you come in here huffing and puffing.

[Fishman Dan]

I did research. I thought "How many golfers here are members of clubs and attend regularly". The answer i came up with was "most". I thought of ways to exclude you but came up short - common sense prevails!

[Jarro]

Is that any way to talk to the guy who sold you your new driver ???

At a bloody good price too i might add !

[Fishman Dan]

I don't have to be nice to you for another month'n'a'half, when i get to use it again....

What was this topic about again?

[dc68]

I think they have an OzGolf stroke championship for NSW.

Very good strokers down there!

[Jarro]

Very good strokers down there!

The best

[goughy]

Hey fishy,

It does seem that what you propose is similar to the vardan event. With the exception that your suggestion restricts it to medal days. I also believe the vardan event does have a minimum number of rounds to be elegible. I might get their by the end of the year.

It will always be difficult to come up with a perfect system when some regions have an abundance of players able to get out together regularily and others don't. The POTY and Vardan may be the nearest we will be able to get to.

[Fishman Dan]

Finally an answer from someone who read the original post in it's entirety!

Agreed that the 'perfect' solution doesn't exist. What I thought this brings is a course that, while not common to all, would be set up as tough as it could be, as long as it could be, and a stroke event, and while not all Medal days are held on the same day - there are 12 per year.

It's as even as a playing field will ever get for 150 internet forum users. The Vardon comes close, but isn't limited to competition type, and is flawed by odd comps (i.e. my 6-club event) and the odd course that doesn't register scores properly (no, i didn't "Played To: 51" at Cypress Lakes ).

[Grunt]

Dan,
I know the NSW Stroke Idea did not work but I will admit that is was mine. I did it to try to organise something that would produce regular NSW OzGolf Events.
I did it with no real chance of winning it myself, as you can see from the fact I have only made it to 2 events and one of those was washed out. As a shiftworker who only gets 2 weekends in five off work it is very hard for me to get to many weekend events. It would be the opposite if I had organised it midweek as myself and a couple of others would have been able to play in it. Remember I stood my ground on the debacle that was to be the 2nd round at Camden Lakeside, when the round was trying to be held midweek.
Next year I might be able to organise a couple of dates straight up and then see who turns up. I have noticed that some people just don't play as regularly as the rest of us. Maybe a planned series of rounds with dates settled early in the year may give people with enough time to plan for them. As it stands this year was not as sucessful as it was planned to be, but we learn from our mistakes don't we?

[AndyP]

Grunt, it will only work for those who want to participate. For others, it won't be high on the priority list. I don't see how having a years worth of planned dates will fix this, and it probably wouldn't work logistically either.

[Grunt]

yeah I know I just tried to plan ahead I guess.

[AndyP]

It's as even as a playing field will ever get for 150 internet forum users.

I think you might struggle to get 40, maybe 30, of those 150 that play Monthly Honours.