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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Clayton View Post
    Victoria put a little fescue into their roughs and it worked well. But as a rule the grasses we have in Australian roughs work pretty well. The lies are random, and it looks good. A massive generalisation though.
    The good thing is we don't maintain rough like Americans often to in order to make it 'fair' 'consistent' and predictable and were the aim to to give every player the same lie Ugh
    Hate American style rough, with a passion. I was thinking more of an overseeding to compliment what is already there. Having said that I must admit, also, to a fair dislike of Parramatta grass which is quite invasive & certainly very prevalent in Melbourne.
    That was my thinking in the suggestion of fescue, but realise that the Parramatta grass would need to be eliminated first & that is no easy thing !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sainters View Post
    Hate American style rough, with a passion. I was thinking more of an overseeding to compliment what is already there. Having said that I must admit, also, to a fair dislike of Parramatta grass which is quite invasive & certainly very prevalent in Melbourne.That was my thinking in the suggestion of fescue, but realise that the Parramatta grass would need to be eliminated first & that is no easy thing !!!
    If your not a fan why would you want to have it here? Broad Oversowing rough is the first step toward it.
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    Apologies, I may not have been specific enough, or have been misunderstood. American rough is, in general, not of the fescue variety. It is normally rye grass, which grows thick & lush, is very penal. With their narrow fairways, their offering is no playing options other than to "hit it straight". The type of rough I am referring to, & would like to see (as a generalisation), is more the wispy fescue type (yes, some fescues can provide very deep & long rough, so the choice of variety is important), combined with the more common grasses already in place. I was also not advocating a complete oversow, just enough to complement the existing. I would be looking to provide a cover which is quite difficult to hit from (these grasses tend to wrap around the hosel), but a ball can be easily found in it. What I am describing would be difficult to achieve, but something I believe could be aimed for.

    Combine this type of rough feature with fairway width & options, provides for a much more interesting & a fun style of golf.

    A lot of the inland English courses get it right. Most of the Surrey courses (minus the heather, which is really not native to Australia), & courses like Swinley Forest below, have been getting it right for donkey's years !!!


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    nah not a fan of fescue roughs here, the native grasses in Oz are so much better - the sandy waste / native areas at Vic would be the best version of rough i have seen, frames the place beautifully, closely followed by the heath plantings at the Heath.
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    Don't disagree with you entirely. I do have a suspicion that those types of rough (sandy waste areas), are difficult & expensive to maintain though.

    I am also a fan of the look at Victoria.

    Will respectfully disagree though & say I prefer the wispy grass look to the sandy waste. Possibly a combination of both would look OK ???

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    Mike might chip in but the waste areas are actually pretty easy to maintain - I could never find the right fescue for rough as a monostand but love the “marsupial” natives kangaroo and wallaby grasses in the passive areas along with some sporadically placed bracken I would think would make a quintessential Aussie course.

    Woodlands years ago was just parramatta and onion grass in the carry ways so much better now they have gone native not sure how indigenous they are but very appealling.

    Are you involved in turf management? And I love the heathland pommie courses, Swinley is a course I have admired for many years as a model of simplicity.
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    Ex turfie. Haven’t been involved for over 20 years, hence my lack of confidence in discussing such matters.

    I will also put my hand up to being a real Anglophile which goes a long way to explaining why I love that particular look !!! Even the way the UK approach the game really resonates with me. Would love to see (will never happen in my opinion) golf with no score cards & dogs on the courses etc.

    I should be more open to using the Australian native grasses as you suggest, but my love of the look of the UK courses keeps pulling me in that direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sainters View Post
    Ex turfie. Haven’t been involved for over 20 years, hence my lack of confidence in discussing such matters.I will also put my hand up to being a real Anglophile which goes a long way to explaining why I love that particular look !!! Even the way the UK approach the game really resonates with me. Would love to see (will never happen in my opinion) golf with no score cards & dogs on the courses etc. I should be more open to using the Australian native grasses as you suggest, but my love of the look of the UK courses keeps pulling me in that direction.
    Have you played Healesville? Think you would like it. Would have been better if the RA stuck with fescue fairways.

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    Yes I have played Healesville. Enjoyed the course but wasnít in the greatest of nic.
    Have you played anywhere in the UK ??? Canít be compared to here, or anywhere else.
    I have been fortunate enough to play some fantastic courses over there, which can spoil your enjoyment of other courses. Having said that, I love our courses here in Victoria & no matter what is in the rough, we have no reason to complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydney Hacker View Post
    After leaving Melbourne to return to Sydney (North Shore), I miss and appreciate the set up of Melbourne courses so much more!
    Metropolitan was an absolute delight to play twice last weekend. The course was fun, although not much fun playing 17 and 18 into the prevailing northerly, but still enjoyable. The staff were extremely accommodating and fantastic all around. The Royal Adelaide members I was with almost treat it like a second home


 

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