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12th October 2018 10:45 AM
#51
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
For those who have Foxtel take a good look @ Walton Heath this weekend (British Masters)
What an amazing golf course
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12th October 2018 11:50 AM
#52
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
thecollective
For those who have Foxtel take a good look @ Walton Heath this weekend (British Masters)
What an amazing golf course
Finally got some golf on the TV on the rig, and I agree - looked really good.
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12th October 2018 11:52 AM
#53
Originally Posted by
benno_r
Finally got some golf on the TV on the rig, and I agree - looked really good.
You sure it's not too penal with all the heather around the place?
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12th October 2018 12:03 PM
#54
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Jazz18
You sure it's not too penal with all the heather around the place?
Having rough doesn't make something penal though. I didn't see all the holes, but the 4 I watched had some great variety. It's actually great to see what appears to be a strategic style course still have some punishing rough for the really wayward shots. US Tour could learn a thing there.
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12th October 2018 12:25 PM
#55
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
Originally Posted by
Jazz18
You sure it's not too penal with all the heather around the place?
You can hit out of heather, you cannot hit out of deep water
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12th October 2018 12:40 PM
#56
Victorious Confederate Captain
Order of Merit winner
Originally Posted by
thecollective
You can hit out of heather, you cannot hit out of deep water
Assuming you find it, and its a lot easier to find with spotters and a thousand fans watching.
If this course was built today, I wonder what the reaction to it would be.
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12th October 2018 12:47 PM
#57
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
Originally Posted by
WBennett
Assuming you find it, and its a lot easier to find with spotters and a thousand fans watching.
If this course was built today, I wonder what the reaction to it would be.
In my experiences (playing at RM) the balls tend to stick out and are easier to find than the deep tussock rough we get in SA
Most punters prefer clean shaven and silicon these days to au natural, a good example is when Gil redesigned Pinehurst
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12th October 2018 12:51 PM
#58
Victorious Confederate Captain
Order of Merit winner
Originally Posted by
thecollective
In my experiences (playing at RM) the balls tend to stick out and are easier to find than the deep tussock rough we get in SA
Most punters prefer clean shaven and silicon these days to au natural, a good example is when Gil redesigned Pinehurst
I watched it last night and loved it. Would there be something similar in Aus? Your RM example is fair, as would other sandbelt courses with the natural and sandy waste areas post last decade restorations.
Last edited by WBennett; 12th October 2018 at 12:57 PM.
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12th October 2018 12:54 PM
#59
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
Originally Posted by
WBennett
I watched it last night and loved it. Would there be something similar in Aus - your RM example is fair, as would other sandbelt courses with the natural and sandy waste areas post last decade restorations.
Victoria GC has a bit of heather in places, once again quite playable despite its appearance, got stuck in a fair bit of it during my only round there.
There are a few sites in SA that would make incredible heath land courses, Millicent is one of them
Edit: actually come to think of it Blackwood would be awesome covered in heather
Last edited by thecollective; 12th October 2018 at 01:02 PM.
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12th October 2018 01:07 PM
#60
Originally Posted by
thecollective
Most punters prefer clean shaven and silicon these days to au natural
Never thought you could use the same analogy for golf courses and porn!!!
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15th October 2018 11:56 AM
#61
For those interested in this topic - whichever side you're on - this is a really interesting piece that popped up on Twitter this morning. It's long, but well worth it. https://rotgblog.wordpress.com/2018/...nament-venues/
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15th October 2018 12:19 PM
#62
Admin Team
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15th October 2018 12:31 PM
#63
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Thanks Rod. That was a great read.
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15th October 2018 12:37 PM
#64
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Originally Posted by
Rod Morri
Thanks Rod, a very interesting read!
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15th October 2018 12:46 PM
#65
No worries gents, there are some big and important questions facing the professional game, and the game more broadly, and Garrett does a really good job of laying out many of the issues. The more golfers think about this stuff, no matter which side of the ball and/or course debate you come down on, the better the game will be.
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15th October 2018 01:13 PM
#66
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Originally Posted by
Rod Morri
No worries gents, there are some big and important questions facing the professional game, and the game more broadly, and Garrett does a really good job of laying out many of the issues. The more golfers think about this stuff, no matter which side of the ball and/or course debate you come down on, the better the game will be.
I agree. It’s all well and good to be thinking about and discussing these issues publicly and Michael Clayton et al does a fantastic job of keeping it in focus BUT it is all for nought when the governing bodies aren’t willing to acknowledge that there may be an issue.
The release of their so-called distance report only further highlighted their unwillingness to accept and address the potential for problems.
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15th October 2018 01:22 PM
#67
Originally Posted by
BUSHY
I agree. It’s all well and good to be thinking about and discussing these issues publicly and Michael Clayton et al does a fantastic job of keeping it in focus BUT it is all for nought when the governing bodies aren’t willing to acknowledge that there may be an issue.
The release of their so-called distance report only further highlighted their unwillingness to accept and address the potential for problems.
They know there is a problem and my gut feeling is they want do something about it. The real problem for them is that the ball/club business is worth enormous sums and the likelihood is that at least some of the manufacturers are likely to take legal action against any changes that reduce distance. Many will say who cares? but the question for the USGA and R&A is whether that is in the best interests of the game. I don't think it would be, it could get very messy very quickly and that sort of division has rarely ended up being good for any sport. Their only real hope will be a negotiated settlement that involves the Tours and the manufacturers and results in seperate equipment rules for professional play. And while I take your point about the likes of Clayts, Shackelford and others it is the constant pressure they have applied which is slowly leading us to a resolution (hopefully).
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15th October 2018 01:24 PM
#68
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
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15th October 2018 02:15 PM
#69
Senior Member
Major Winner
So has there been enough evidence provided yet as to why LGN #1 is a penal design?
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15th October 2018 02:22 PM
#70
Originally Posted by
benno_r
So has there been enough evidence provided yet as to why LGN #1 is a penal design?
No, I'd like some more please.
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15th October 2018 03:15 PM
#71
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Jazz18
No, I'd like some more please.
How about we try a different approach. Tell my why it isn't a penal design.
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15th October 2018 03:41 PM
#72
Originally Posted by
benno_r
How about we try a different approach. Tell my why it isn't a penal design.
Golf course design is like any other kind if design. It is too dependant on opinion or a subjective point of view to be as black and white as you say it is.
That's all I've been trying to say. Not that LGN isn't "penal" or whatever you want to call it. There are too many variables for it or any other golf course to be put in such distinct boxes. There's more to it than that, in my opinion of course.
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15th October 2018 04:34 PM
#73
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Jazz18
Golf course design is like any other kind if design. It is too dependant on opinion or a subjective point of view to be as black and white as you say it is.
That's all I've been trying to say. Not that LGN isn't "penal" or whatever you want to call it. There are too many variables for it or any other golf course to be put in such distinct boxes. There's more to it than that, in my opinion of course.
I don't think there are that many variables as you make out. I understand that aren't measurable metrics to punch into a formula to get a result. But by the same token - it's not that hard to look at a hole, try and remove your biases, and ask yourself the questions that the definitions of golf design make you ask, and have a pretty good chance of defining a hole. There aren't that many things that need to be assessed.
I understand too that some holes/courses won't be that obvious, and will fall into the opinion realm from here, and that's fine. But at the same time, many holes/courses fall quickly into one of the categories too. You can't dismiss this either by saying the whole scope of golf architecture is opinion.
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15th October 2018 04:38 PM
#74
Originally Posted by
benno_r
I don't think there are that many variables as you make out. I understand that aren't measurable metrics to punch into a formula to get a result. But by the same token - it's not that hard to look at a hole, try and remove your biases, and ask yourself the questions that the definitions of golf design make you ask, and have a pretty good chance of defining a hole. There aren't that many things that need to be assessed.
I understand too that some holes/courses won't be that obvious, and will fall into the opinion realm from here, and that's fine. But at the same time, many holes/courses fall quickly into one of the categories too. You can't dismiss this either by saying the whole scope of golf architecture is opinion.
What biases do I have?
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15th October 2018 05:53 PM
#75
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Jazz18
What biases do I have?
I wasn't referencing you specifically. We all have them.
buuuuttttt... if I had to guess for you, it might be something along the lines of "architecture discussion of golf courses is all a big wank".
Like I said, just a guess!
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