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    at its purest form, golf should be playable for almost every lie and hence deep water only hinders what the purest game desires

    Believe it or not Augusta was originally designed this way, all the creeks were setup to be playable

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecollective View Post
    at its purest form, golf should be playable for almost every lie and hence deep water only hinders what the purest game desires

    Believe it or not Augusta was originally designed this way, all the creeks were setup to be playable
    Before TV it was a lot less manicured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benno_r View Post
    I wasn't referencing you specifically. We all have them.

    buuuuttttt... if I had to guess for you, it might be something along the lines of "architecture discussion of golf courses is all a big wank".

    Like I said, just a guess!
    Wank is a strong word because I believe each to their own. But I can safely say that it's not my chosen topic of discussion because there's always someone there to tell me that my opinion is wrong or I need a lesson on what GCA is or means.

    Quote Originally Posted by thecollective View Post
    at its purest form, golf should be playable for almost every lie and hence deep water only hinders what the purest game desires

    Believe it or not Augusta was originally designed this way, all the creeks were setup to be playable
    Purest form would suggest your saying the game is inferior or contaminated in some way today? How can you say that about a game that has evolved over centuries since it's inception and has moved through almost 100 years of change since the example you gave? How can you even define the purest form of golf like that? If that's your opinion ok, but that's not how I would define the purest form of golf. Not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz18 View Post
    Wank is a strong word because I believe each to their own. But I can safely say that it's not my chosen topic of discussion because there's always someone there to tell me that my opinion is wrong or I need a lesson on what GCA is or means. Purest form would suggest your saying the game is inferior or contaminated in some way today? How can you say that about a game that has evolved over centuries since it's inception and has moved through almost 100 years of change since the example you gave? How can you even define the purest form of golf like that? If that's your opinion ok, but that's not how I would define the purest form of golf. Not even close.
    I'll bite - how would you define the purest form of golf?

    Golf is, in part, a game; but only in part. It is also in part a religion, a fever, a vice, a mirage, a frenzy, a fear, an abscess, a joy, a thrill, a pest, a disease, an uplift, a brooding, a melancholy, a dream of yesterday and a hope for tomorrow. - New York Tribune, 1916.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcanto View Post
    I'll bite - how would you define the purest form of golf?
    Based on how the game was created and originally designed to be played, along the ground, playable rough, playable hazards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecollective View Post
    Based on how the game was created and originally designed to be played, along the ground, playable rough, playable hazards.
    I don't disagree. I keep coming back to the thought that golf is a game and while it should certainly be a challenge there still should be at least some element of fun. I won't profess to know much, if anything, about golf course architecture so I'm happy to keep an open mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcanto View Post
    I'll bite - how would you define the purest form of golf?
    Evening golf in summer. Nothing better than a few holes at 6-8pm during daylight savings to forget about your life stresses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcanto View Post
    I don't disagree. I keep coming back to the thought that golf is a game and while it should certainly be a challenge there still should be at least some element of fun. I won't profess to know much, if anything, about golf course architecture so I'm happy to keep an open mind.
    The problem is in my experience, the more you learn about GCA, the more your mind closes.

    Couldn't agree more that golf should always be fun. I lost that element in my game for a long time recently and found a way to get it back. How good is golf!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz18 View Post
    Evening golf in summer. Nothing better than a few holes at 6-8pm during daylight savings to forget about your life stresses.
    I wish the flaming QLD Premier would agree to that! Best climate in the country and we can’t make the most of it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve57 View Post
    I wish the flaming QLD Premier would agree to that! Best climate in the country and we can’t make the most of it!
    Yeah I couldn't handle it. It would drive me bonkers!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz18 View Post
    Yeah I couldn't handle it. It would drive me bonkers!!!
    As a born and bred Victorian it does!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve57 View Post
    As a born and bred Victorian it does!
    That's torture! Warm summer evenings on the Sand belt or Mornington would be mint!!! Sorry.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcanto View Post
    I'll bite - how would you define the purest form of golf?
    No scorecard
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    Carrying
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    That’s what it’s all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz18 View Post
    That's torture! Warm summer evenings on the Sand belt or Mornington would be mint!!! Sorry.......
    Haha, I learnt to play at Woodlands as a kid.
    Daylight savings meant not having to get off the course till 8.30pm as a minimum.
    That was when the Proshop boys knocked off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    No scorecard
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    That’s what it’s all about.
    Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve57 View Post
    Haha, I learnt to play at Woodlands as a kid.
    Daylight savings meant not having to get off the course till 8.30pm as a minimum.
    That was when the Proshop boys knocked off.
    I used to do that same thing 3 or 4 times a week before I had my daughter. The shop at my old club would shut at 6pm though which meant they'd come out and have a hit as well!!!

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    I’ll follow it up with this podcast I listened to on the plane this morning.

    https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/...=1000409174031

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve57 View Post
    I wish the flaming QLD Premier would agree to that! Best climate in the country and we can’t make the most of it!
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    No scorecard No ‘devices’CarryingLaughing Joking Relaxing FriendsStrangersThat’s what it’s all about.
    That's pretty close to heaven in my book.

    Golf is, in part, a game; but only in part. It is also in part a religion, a fever, a vice, a mirage, a frenzy, a fear, an abscess, a joy, a thrill, a pest, a disease, an uplift, a brooding, a melancholy, a dream of yesterday and a hope for tomorrow. - New York Tribune, 1916.

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    Ripping article Bushy

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    Is that not a forced carry on 12?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    Is that not a forced carry on 12?
    105m off the members tees, or 155m off the tourny tees. It's probably a forced carry if you decide 9i off the tee is a smart play.

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    I still reckon it's all subjective. There's no way a recreational or resort golf player for instance is looking at that Sweetens Cove hole and coming up with 5 options off the tee. They just don't want to hit it in the shit. For most players, 2 of the options aren't even there. Does that make it more or less strategic for long or short hitters? It's all subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz18 View Post
    There's no way a recreational or resort golf player for instance is looking at that Sweetens Cove hole and coming up with 5 options off the tee. They just don't want to hit it in the shit..
    But the option to take the hole on is still there. And if they can't see all the options, it's more a reflection of them not understanding strategic golf design, then a failure of strategic golf design.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz18 View Post
    For most players, 2 of the options aren't even there. Does that make it more or less strategic for long or short hitters? It's all subjective.
    That's not the definition of strategic golf design - it just has to be playable for all lengths of hitters. By definition a longer hitter will have more options, but the shorter hitter still has a fair chance to make par. Even by your reasoning, there are 3 viable options left.

    Using basic reasoning and understanding of strategic golf we can objectively say it's a strategic hole.
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