Ryder Cup 2018

[3Puttpete]

Bathurst needs to pave all the grass and run off areas. It doesn’t make sense to have the cars stick to the track for the best results.

[benno_r]

Bathurst needs to pave all the grass and run off areas. It doesn’t make sense to have the cars stick to the track for the best results.

Of course, but let's not confuse execution with strategy.

[3Puttpete]

Of course, but let's not confuse execution with strategy.

Like slowing down around corners? No need if there are no corners

[benno_r]

Like slowing down around corners? No need if there are no corners

Bathurst would need some serious modifications to get a 1000km race without any corners.

[3Puttpete]

Did anyone hit driver on 1 on Sunday? There’s fairway from tee to green.

Is that a lack of options?

[Jazz18]

If you see how far I drive it, and how bad my iron play is, you'd understand I'd be laying up on 1 and 15.

Haha! I've seen you play and ur not that bad. The first is only 380ish from the tips and the 15th is only 360ish from the tips. Not sure as choppers we'd be playing it from the tips either so could be even shorter.

[benno_r]

Did anyone hit driver on 1 on Sunday? There’s fairway from tee to green.

Is that a lack of options?

I don't know, I didn't see anything on 1.

What clubs did they hit?

[benno_r]

Haha! I've seen you play and ur not that bad. The first is only 380ish from the tips and the 15th is only 360ish from the tips. Not sure as choppers we'd be playing it from the tips either so could be even shorter.

That was a long time ago buddy. My driver is a solid 195m club these days.

[3Puttpete]

I don't know, I didn't see anything on 1.

What clubs did they hit?

Iron, hybrid maybe. No driver

[benno_r]

Iron, hybrid maybe. No driver

So no one took the option of driver, or woods. The best in the world didn't want to take that option. Why not?

[3Puttpete]

So no one took the option of driver, or woods. The best in the world didn't want to take that option. Why not?

There were consequences for missing the fairway.

Spray driver, hit wedge wasn’t the way to play.

Bad course, no options.

[Jazz18]

So no one took the option of driver, or woods. The best in the world didn't want to take that option. Why not?

3 woods down to irons in the first. Saw water balls for all types of clubs. Clubs from I think 7 irons to wedges into the green.

195m for driver? How do you lose that much distance in just 16 months? Seriously?

[benno_r]

There were consequences for missing the fairway.

Spray driver, hit wedge wasn’t the way to play.

Bad course, no options.

Never said it was bad, never said it had no options.

When the options are, hit a mid length shot to avoid devillish rough, or die - we are not talking a course that rewards strategy, we are talking a course that rewards execution. That's where you might be confusing my point.

Which comes back to the opinion of hippo and I that it is not a strategic course.

[benno_r]

195m for driver? How do you lose that much distance in just 16 months? Seriously?

Yep. Shit swing these days, resulting in a stint on anchor.

[3Puttpete]

Never said it was bad, never said it had no options.

When the options are, hit a mid length shot to avoid devillish rough, or die - we are not talking a course that rewards strategy, we are talking a course that rewards execution. That's where you might be confusing my point.

Which comes back to the opinion of hippo and I that it is not a strategic course.

Hitting driver to fairway is always an option.

How do you define strategy?

[benno_r]

Hitting driver to fairway is always an option.

How do you define strategy?

Of course hitting driver is an option. But on a hole like 1 (for pros), it's not a viable strategy as the reward is so minor and the risk so great.

For me, driver is an option, as it's probably the only club in my bag that will give me a second shot to the green. Due to the fact I am ****ed if I don't hit fairway, the hole becomes a test of my execution.

[Jazz18]

Never said it was bad, never said it had no options.

When the options are, hit a mid length shot to avoid devillish rough, or die - we are not talking a course that rewards strategy, we are talking a course that rewards execution. That's where you might be confusing my point.

Which comes back to the opinion of hippo and I that it is not a strategic course.

How can you separate execution and strategy? Even if you have a course that you might seem as strategic, you won't score well if your strategy is good but your execution is off. Execution has nothing to do with the course. It's what you do once you choose the right strategy.

[Jazz18]

Of course hitting driver is an option. But on a hole like 1 (for pros), it's not a viable strategy as the reward is so minor and the risk so great.

For me, driver is an option, as it's probably the only club in my bag that will give me a second shot to the green. Due to the fact I am ****ed if I don't hit fairway, the hole becomes a test of my execution.

If you are only hitting it 195m with driver mate, I'd suggest you wouldn't be playing from the tips.

[benno_r]

How can you separate execution and strategy? Even if you have a course that you might seem as strategic, you won't score well if your strategy is good but your execution is off. Execution has nothing to do with the course. It's what you do once you choose the right strategy.

Obviously golf is predominantly a test of execution.

But I look at it this way - if a course gives you one viable option (LGN #1) - you are testing execution. If the course offers you multiple viable options, with varying degrees of difficulty (and remunerate reward), you are testing strategy AND execution.

Now, if we talk about typical PGA bomb and gauge golf, it's a test of recovery and putting!

[wizard_of_oz]

If you are only hitting it 195m with driver mate, I'd suggest you wouldn't be playing from the tips.

Ooooooooohhhh...*grabs popcorn*

[BayBum]

Would have been good to see the dust up between DJ and BK! 💪

BK in the first round. All day 😎

[benno_r]

If you are only hitting it 195m with driver mate, I'd suggest you wouldn't be playing from the tips.

Even if i didn't play from the tips, what strategic options is it offering me?

The FW narrows down to "pointless me trying", so I am still hitting what ever club gets me closest to the water in the safe part of the FW. So again, the hole is still only a test of my execution.

Maybe make the fw closer to the hole a bit wider, and all of a sudden the thought it can be a viable option is running through my head. Tada! Strategy (and still execution).

[3Puttpete]

Every point you make about “strategy” comes back to unpunished spraying of driver being the be all and end all of golf course design.

[Dotty]

The competition needs the same re-balance as forty years ago.

USA can be boosted by non-European internationals to level up the playing field.

[benno_r]

Every point you make about “strategy” comes back to unpunished spraying of driver being the be all and end all of golf course design.

No it doesn't. You're making that assumption, not me.