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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    The combined count of times played LGN was something like 228 for Europe to 8 for the yanks. That’s a pretty decent home course advantage. Apparently the yanks reckon the course was too short and too narrow. Just perfect for say.... Molinari. Worked too.
    I’m sure there are a number of ozgolfers who agree with them.

    Take less club and hit it straight. It’s not a god given right to hit driver off the tee and reach par 5s in 2.

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    A course requiring thought and finesse?

    Isnt that what Clayton tries to achieve?

    With that much water I would have shot 120

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    I’m sure there are a number of ozgolfers who agree with them.

    Take less club and hit it straight. It’s not a god given right to hit driver off the tee and reach par 5s in 2.
    Just a ridiculous (and typically american) thing to say. Rewarding someone who can drive it straight and punishing bad shots is far more enjoyable to watch than driver wedge and see if they can nail the putt on every. single. damn. hole....

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    I thought David Leadbetter was better than that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    I thought David Leadbetter was better than that?
    What's wrong with the comment? It is better course defense than how they let the greens dry up and place flag positions at ridiculous locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    I thought David Leadbetter was better than that?

    Works for matchplay.

    Sucks for stroke play.

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    I think heart and passion had a lot to do with it.

    You see how much it means to Poulter, Sergio, Rose, Rory, and now Fleetwood, Oleson, etc etc (Molli can't get fired up about anything )

    But just watching DJ, Tiger, Phil and others. I know they weren't playing great, but they just didn't seem to want to fire up.
    McIlroy wasn't playing great but you could see it meant a lot to him.

    I personally like Patrick Reed and his attitude. It does mean something to him. He's passionate and was one of only a couple of US player to stand up in the singles. Like he did last time out v McIlroy.
    And to blame him for Tiger losing pairings is way off the mark. Tiger loses with anyone. Reed won last time around with Speith.

    Tiger and Phil now have about the 2 worst Ryder Cup records in history. That says a lot about 2 of the most dominant players of the last 25 years.

    Couple that with the Euro elder statesman - Sergio - who now has the most Ryder Cup points in history.

    I loved every minute of those 3 days. Great course, great atmosphere, terrific golf and a smacking for the USA. Doesn't get better
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza99 View Post
    And to blame him for Tiger losing pairings is way off the mark. Tiger loses with anyone. Reed won last time around with Speith.
    Are people suggesting Reed is to blame for Tiger losing in the singles pairings? Tiger lost against Rahm all by himself. However during fourballs, Reed played like a busted arsehole. He won the 10th and got a half on the 14th on day one, and I didn't really contribute again until halving a hole on the 9th on Saturday morning, and that wasn't the result of his partner was playing 'too good' to get on the card either. The scorecard from Saturday morning speaks verses:




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    Quote Originally Posted by henno View Post
    Are people suggesting Reed is to blame for Tiger losing in the singles pairings?
    No, I meant Tiger in pairings/doubles (not singles). But a lot of American fans are blaming Reed for Tigers poor overall showing, particularly Tiger fanboi's.

    Basically, USA just didn't show up. After going 3-1 up I expected USA to smash Europe, given their overall world rankings. But they just fell apart.
    I know they had a bit of a fightback mid-afternoon last day. But even when they pulled it back to a 2 match deficit, a lot of the games in play were still going Europe's way. They needed to turn the tide in 4 or 5 games to get close, but they never did.

    Reading a lot of comments that Tiger losing to Rahm was a big upset. What? World No8 beat World No13. No upset at all, but try saying that over in the States
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza99 View Post

    Basically, USA just didn't show up. After going 3-1 up I expected USA to smash Europe, given their overall world rankings. But they just fell apart.
    It wasn’t their fault. After they lead 3-1 on the first session they had to play on a course which was shortened and tightened whereas the Europeans did not.

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    I’ve really enjoyed all the butthurt yanks commenting on social media. There’s generally been 3 categories.
    1. Tiger fans angrily defending him saying stuff like “he was tired”. the old tiger would have kicked their arse (*narrators voice: he didn’t and wouldn’t) and “he’s the GOAT - how many majors have Fleetwood, Hatton, Casey etc won”
    2. Ryder Cup doesn’t mean shit anyway, majors and PGA tour wins are the only thing that counts
    3. The course was stupid.

    Wrong on all counts but it’s great nonetheless. Another positive is that they seem to hate Reed as much as the rest of the world.
    Cinderella story, out of nowhere, former greenskeeper, now about to become a Masters champion..... It looks like a mirac.. It's in the hole! It's in the hole!


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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard_of_oz View Post
    What's wrong with the comment? It is better course defense than how they let the greens dry up and place flag positions at ridiculous locations.
    Driver. Hack a Wedge out. Hit it on the green. Putting comp.

    No variety, no thought, just hit it here or else.

    No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benno_r View Post
    Works for matchplay.

    Sucks for stroke play.
    Yeah pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    Driver. Hack a Wedge out. Hit it on the green. Putting comp.

    No variety, no thought, just hit it here or else.

    No thanks.
    How about -

    Find the fairway
    Find the green
    Win the hole or a putting comp if you can both do the first.


    Sooner that than -

    Bomb it 350 anywhere, doesn't matter.
    Find the green from anywhere.
    Putting comp.

    Golf is normally about accurate shots (one reason why I'm sh!t).
    You have to putt accurately. Find greens accurately.
    But on a lot of US courses, it doesn't matter much where you put your tee shot (I'm only going off the pro golf on Fox here you realise. never played there )

    Big generalisations I know.
    But I enjoyed that golf in Paris.
    And there were some holes where you could just bomb it long. They just had to be a bit more accurate or pay for it. Risk reward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza99 View Post
    How about -

    Find the fairway
    Find the green
    Win the hole or a putting comp if you can both do the first.


    Sooner that than -

    Bomb it 350 anywhere, doesn't matter.
    Find the green from anywhere.
    Putting comp.

    Golf is normally about accurate shots (one reason why I'm sh!t).
    You have to putt accurately. Find greens accurately.
    But on a lot of US courses, it doesn't matter much where you put your tee shot (I'm only going off the pro golf on Fox here you realise. never played there )

    Big generalisations I know.
    But I enjoyed that golf in Paris.
    And there were some holes where you could just bomb it long. They just had to be a bit more accurate or pay for it. Risk reward.
    Exactly why the PGA Tour is getting boring. Driver, wedge, putt, driver wedge putt, boring. You'll get a bit if that on the European Tour but not every week. Much more variety, much more interesting, much more enjoyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz18 View Post
    Exactly why the PGA Tour is getting boring. Driver, wedge, putt, driver wedge putt, boring. You'll get a bit if that on the European Tour but not every week. Much more variety, much more interesting, much more enjoyable.
    And also why the Americans got their asses handed to them. Even though the majority of the Euro team play on the PGA Tour they still travel plenty on non-US type courses.

    Obviously it’s a distinct advantage being able to play on something a little out of their comfort zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazza99 View Post
    But on a lot of US courses, it doesn't matter much where you put your tee shot (I'm only going off the pro golf on Fox here you realise. never played there )
    It's one of the main reasons for the bitching and moaning about the US Opens. The PGA Tour doesn't do rough.
    The PGA Tour has stats for 193 players. Here are some notable positions in Driving Accuracy, Driving distance and GIR. They support your conclusion. Doesn't matter where it goes, as long as it's long.

    Johnson 138 6 14
    Thomas T141 11 33
    Bubba T141 9 52
    Koepka 158 8 57
    Finau 180 4 17
    Reed 182 T80 163
    Mickleson 192 T54 136

    Mickleson is just a spud and shouldn't have been on the team.
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    I think my favourite moment was in the foursomes on day 2, watching the 135yd par 3 2nd be halved with 6s.





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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteyD View Post
    I think my favourite moment was in the foursomes on day 2, watching the 135yd par 3 2nd be halved with 6s.
    Same here.

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    JT's drive on 18 in the singles. Get that in ya Rory !

    Best venue and course setup I've seen in a RC.

    The fried egg called it a "shit course", and they consider themselves course architect guru's. Hmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteyD View Post
    I think my favourite moment was in the foursomes on day 2, watching the 135yd par 3 2nd be halved with 6s.
    That coulda been me right there. Would be most weeks actually. On any par 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by BayBum View Post
    JT's drive on 18 in the singles. Get that in ya Rory !

    Best venue and course setup I've seen in a RC.

    The fried egg called it a "shit course", and they consider themselves course architect guru's. Hmm....
    "great professional tournament venue" and "architecturally sound" aren't mutually exclusive. From what I saw I can't imagine I'd enjoy playing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benno_r View Post
    "great professional tournament venue" and "architecturally sound" aren't mutually exclusive. From what I saw I can't imagine I'd enjoy playing it.
    I'd love to have a game there. I'd have 100's but who cares!!!

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    Awesome setup by the Euro’s, did their homework and stuck it to the US, was the best golf I have watched in a long time






 

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