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    It would have to be rooted
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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post

    Seems that the School is the owner of the land, and did the deal with a developer, and intention is to retain a golf course.
    That would make sense, as they run a golf school from the college.


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    Just in... Arundel closed yesterday, voluntary administration. Been hearing gossip for months that the chinese owners have been running it the ground. https://www.golfaustralia.com.au/news/gold-coasts-arundel-hills-to-close-immediately-580432

    I guess good news is someone will buy it cheap
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    Not closed but council decides no golf after 3pm on Melbourne course.

    According to the mayor ""Not only is it a win for the community but it's also a win for golfers and it's a win for entrepreneurs and budding operators to see how they can use the site."

    I can't see a win for the golfers .........

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    I guess there is inadequate open community space around there, so seems fair ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    I guess there is inadequate open community space around there, so seems fair ...
    Maybe the first step in closing it permanently.

    Unless the lease costs are reduced I can't see how the operator can make a decent buck when no play is allowed after 3pm especially if this includes weekends.

    Inadequate open community space was the excuse that the City of Sydney wanted Moore Park cut from 18 to 9 holes.

    Luckily the state government stepped in and squashed that plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    I guess there is inadequate open community space around there, so seems fair ...
    Not really the case if you are familiar with the area or have a look at the aerial map. This is a Greens/socialist left Labor dominated council decision. The ratepayers are getting exactly what they voted for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webster View Post
    Not really the case if you are familiar with the area or have a look at the aerial map. This is a Greens/socialist left Labor dominated council decision. The ratepayers are getting exactly what they voted for.
    I remember correctly locals used this course for picnics etc. when golf was banned in Vic during lockdown and posted stuff on Facebook (or whatever) saying they would never give it back to the golfers.

    According to their website it does have members who I doubt are happy with this decision and will look elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webster View Post
    Not really the case if you are familiar with the area or have a look at the aerial map.
    your sarcasm filter broke?
    This is a Greens/socialist left Labor dominated council decision. The ratepayers are getting exactly what they voted for.
    Yeah even this slow thinking qlder guessed who is in charge."we need more green space, hey lets change some green space to green space" Expect more of this nonsense nationally too now that Adams got a bigger stick.

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    I don’t do sarcasm much…

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    According to (Fake) News.com.au it's because of the roos

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    Wasn't sure where to post. Hopefully it's readable.
    A property expert basically saying there's too many golf courses on the Gold Coast & some should be developed for housing.
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    Well, a 'property expert' would say that.

    Generally what property experts are expert at is sniffing out a profit.

    I obviously have no knowledge of the goldie lifestyle, but I would think there should be plenty of golf course demand and use due to the retiree population. But there is always more profit in housing. Then, people start whingeing about lack of green space and recreation space, etc, etc.
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    This the text:

    A LEADING property expert is demanding to know why the Gold Coast needs so many golf courses when more and more people are sleeping in their cars unable to get homes.
    Colliers Gold Coast director Steven King is calling for a reassessment of the city’s 33 courses to help ease the housing crisis, particularly as “three-quarters of them would not be profitable”.
    He says the courses take up large swathes of developable green space, and few have been rezoned or subdivided to make way for critical housing and infrastructure projects.
    “We have too many on the Coast and not enough land,” Mr King says. “Unfortunately, many of the courses are flood-prone and positioned in key development areas.
    “Do we really need four-plus golf courses in suburbs like Robina and Hope Island?” A course owner said golfing was “very viable”, but admitted many courses are looking tired.
    Mr King said while higher density rezoning in areas like Hope Island “probably wouldn’t work”, an audit of courses across the city was badly needed.
    He said some developers were turning old courses into city attractions, referencing, in particular, the work of former PGA pro-turned-property player Luke Altschwager, whose $300m Parkwood Village integrated resort will include a world-class golf course, hotel, 225 residential units and a health, sports and recreation project built around the city’s first surf park.
    “What he’s (Altschwager) done at Parkwood Village is nothing short of phenomenal.
    “He’s used his nous to make something work that usually shouldn’t,” Mr King said.
    Mr Altschwager told the Bulletin that while golfing on the Gold Coast was “very viable”, “many courses are very old” and “some properties are becoming quite tired”.
    “There’s a lack of investment in the city’s courses,” Mr Altschwager said. “If you don’t invest in the raw asset, eventually the product becomes average.” Mr Altschwager said the solution to the city’s housing crisis was not to “bulldoze courses”, but to “intensify development around greenspaces such as golf courses”.
    “The housing issue will not be dealt with by looking exclusively at green space. “Golf courses can be a part of the solution for housing infrastructure. It doesn’t have to be housing or golf. It can be both.” The city’s housing crisis has got so bad there are just over 200 blocks of land on the market for a population of over half a million people; the rental vacancy rate is at an all-time low of 0.4 per cent; and the property sector is banking on more than 2500 units across 20 new tower projects hitting the market in the next three months to ease the apartment shortage.
    People cannot afford rent hikes and children are getting dressed for school in cars.
    Experts told the Bulletin in March the situation was so dire that just 2.3 months’ supply of apartments remain if new projects did not come to market. One of the city’s best-known courses, Arundel Hills Country Club, went into administration in May, after being dogged by complaints from members about the poorly maintained facilities."

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussieashley View Post

    Wasn't sure where to post. Hopefully it's readable.
    A property expert basically saying there's too many golf courses on the Gold Coast & some should be developed for housing.
    Seems this real estate agent has the paper on his side.

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    Seems to contradict himself, considering the fair majority of the course are on flood plans, I would have thought they would be unsuitable for any building and if they did build it would only amplify the flooding issues. Seems like he's pushing the Parkwood thing a little bit, probably has a side interest in that.


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    Building housing on flood plains wouldn’t deter some developers chasing a buck.

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    It’s a complete fallacy to think that they would develop a golf course into housing & it will be affordable to people who are sleeping in their cars, this is just a money grab worse so from a flood plain perspective

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfer5 View Post
    It’s a complete fallacy to think that they would develop a golf course into housing & it will be affordable to people who are sleeping in their cars, this is just a money grab worse so from a flood plain perspective
    Totally agree, no way it would be affordable housing as there’s minimal profit in that.

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    You would have thought that SE Queenslanders would understand the futility of building on a floodplain.

    Seems more like just another real estate wanker

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    Its a BS article politically motivated and mostly nonsense. The city council moved to protect Gold Coast golf course from development over 10 years ago and has changed zoning of all of them to "public open space", and the current city plan doesnt allow development of any kind in this zone. To change this would be a full vote by council and AFAIK none would support it.

    Also, the GC population has doubled in 30 years whilst no new courses built and two have been lost. Golf is booming here, most clubs have waiting list, and Arundel was deliberately run down by its owners. Wont be long before a new course or 2 is needed, particularily around Coomera

    The writer is also lying about the limited number residential land for sale, there is heaps in the north and hinterland, he is probably only talking about land close to the ocean.
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    Yea and if Parkwood is his example, all they have done is reroute the course and build on the limited high ground, chuck the Titans centre in there a footy field that goes underwater after a decent downpour.


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    Another article in the paper about Arundel.
    It's clear city officers want it kept for sport & recreation, this time. But they've also got developers trying to buy it that have no interest in a golf course.

    "THE dilapidated Arundel Hills Golf Club will not reopen as talks begin to turn it into residential properties.
    Prospective developers Dale Carroll and Steven Kleytman met with area councillor Ryan Bayldon-Lumsden on Monday to discuss the club’s future. Fellow development partner Melbourne barrister Andrew Barbayannis was not present.
    The three partners are in the process of buying the 67ha Arundel Place property after the company behind the club, Zhongsheng Management, was placed in external administration in May.
    Cr Bayldon-Lumsden said the form of the site’s redevelopment was uncertain, as a push to convert it into a housing estate conflicted with the City Plan.
    “During this meeting, concepts were floated, concepts that sought a substantially residential outcome for the site and they have no plans to retain a golf course in any form, they have no plans to re-open any of the facilities,” he said. “City officers clearly raised that the area was zoned for sport and recreation, and that residential outcomes of the scale floated by them conflicted with the City Plan.
    “City Officers were of the strong opinion that the intended use of the site should be for sport and recreation.” Cr Bayldon-Lumsden said he would follow community sentiment in forming his own opinion.
    “Residents have made it very clear to me their desire is for the site to remain as open, green space, raising concerns regarding wildlife, traffic, amenity, views, property values among many others,” he said.
    “It should be noted that proponents cannot be prohibited from making an application for the site, regardless of any conflict with the City Plan. However, any application that is made would then be assessed by city planning officers against the City Plan and the Planning Act.” The Arundel Hills Country Club was placed in administration in late May. Graham Killer, of Grant Thornton, was appointed administrator.
    The club had been dogged by complaints from members about the poorly maintained facilities, and it made headlines after a woman was injured by a kangaroo this year.
    Long-time golfers and club members were disappointed and furious by the sudden closure. Some said they had recently paid their annual fees. Property records showed Zhongsheng Group paid $13.5m for the course in 2015. It included its clubhouse and development land."

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    So people forced to live in cars are only held back from having their own place near the beach…because there are too many golf courses?

    Did the writer have white shoes on at the time!
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