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    Its very bizarre for a council to rezone property that is already owned without notice. The owner of the land seems to make a good case.
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    I Posted this on the previous page. Didn't want it to get lost so pasted it again.
    This is what's on the Golf Course site if anyone cares to read.



    REGARDING THE REZONING SITUATION

    We wish to set the record straight regarding the Mount Compass Golf Course (“MCGC”). We seek your urgent support to put an end to the completely unnecessary actions of the Alexandrina Council and certain members of the local community which have endangered the viability of MCGC.
    Key Points:
    • Our business has been unfairly targeted by Alexandrina Council and some misinformed residents;
    • MCGC has been inappropriately down-zoned from Residential to Rural and Recreation by Alexandrina Council through the introduction of the Planning & Design Code;
    • Following an appeal by MCGC to the Environment, Resources and Development Committee of Parliament (“ERD Committee”), it recommended our land be zoned Golf Course Estate;
    • Planning Minister Vickie Chapman MP has delayed correcting our zoning by requesting that the State Planning Commission undertake a protracted Code Amendment process instead of just accepting the ERD
    Committee recommendation;
    • MCGC will not survive in its current form waiting for the zoning to be corrected;
    • As a result, MCGC is being forced to sell off portions of the golf course to reduce debt;
    • That land sale will mean views across the golf course on the approach roads to the course - Arthur Road and George Francis Drive - will be lost, and we will have to reconfigure the golf course;
    • We do not wish to sell this land, and we have no intention of redeveloping the golf course beyond sale of surplus land that has already been approved if the golf course remains viable.
    You can help by printing and signing the below letter and returning it to us to pass on to Planning Minister Vickie Chapman MP to preserve the amenity enjoyed by golfers and residents by keeping MCGC in its current form.



    LETTER TO VICKI CHAPMAN

    The facts are these.
    ZONING & RE-ZONING

    The MCGC property was zoned Residential when Capitoline Property Pty Ltd acquired it in 2016. It had been zoned Residential for something like 20 years. We obtained approval in 2016 to subdivide 23 allotments around the periphery of the course.
    In 2019, a further 40 allotment subdivision was approved at the end of George Francis Drive – on land surplus to the golf course north of the 15th tees. We developed 7 allotments to the west of the Clubhouse in 2017.
    To date, after 5 years, we have not acted on the remainder of the approval to develop a further 16 allotments wrapping around the corner of George Francis Drive and Arthur Road. We opted not to develop these allotments because we did not want to have to reconfigure the golf course – nor lose the views over the course that are available on the approach roads. That remains our preferred position.
    In March 2021, with the introduction of a new planning system, our land was downzoned to Rural and Recreation. This should not have happened. Instead, the land should have transitioned to Neighbourhood, which is the new version of Residential. This would have been like for like, as was initially proposed by the State Planning Commission.
    NO NOTICE OF THE PROPOSED RE-ZONING

    The change from Neighbourhood to Rural and Recreation occurred because of a submission made by Alexandrina Council. This appears to have been at the instigation of Councillor Bill Coomans, our local Ward Councillor who lives adjacent to the 2nd hole of MCGC on George Francis Drive.
    We were given absolutely no notice of Alexandrina Council’s submission. It is normal for a rezoning process to involve notice to the landowner as an absolute minimum.
    In effect, our property was down-zoned without notice to or consultation with us and through the back door. Councillor Coomans is required to look after the interests of all of the constituents in his Ward. He certainly hasn’t done so with us. Neither he nor Council made any attempt to consult with us about the submission they lodged to down-zone our properties.
    MAJOR SUBDIVISION APPLICATION REJECTED

    In response to the attack by Alexandrina Council, days before the down-zoning came into effect in March, we lodged an application for redevelopment of the whole golf course into residential allotments.
    This was a purely defensive reaction attempting to protect our investment whilst the Residential zone was still in effect. That application was refused by Alexandrina Council in a matter of days.
    We believe that Councillor Coomans has unfairly misrepresented the reasons for this, continuing to use it to generate fear in the community via social media platforms and the press.
    COURSE IMPROVEMENTS

    What is constantly overlooked by Councillor Coomans and others is that we have invested a lot of time, effort and money into rebuilding the MCGC and its business. Proceeds from land sales have been reinvested in the business. We have been very pleased with the turn-around in its fortunes – particularly in the last couple of years.
    Under our stewardship over the past 5 years, we have progressively increased golf traffic by approximately 25% per annum, meaning foot traffic has doubled since 2016. We have invested in the refurbishment and upgrading of the Range Restaurant which has developed an excellent reputation and attracts a diverse customer base from areas well beyond Mount Compass. MCGC operated at a loss for the first 3 years after our purchase of the business, but it is now covering its operating costs.
    MCGC is probably the most significant generator of spin-off activity for other businesses in Mount Compass because of the patrons we bring in to play golf and dine at the MCGC’s Range Restaurant. We attract over 20,000 rounds of golf and a similar number of diners to the Range Restaurant each year. Those patrons also support the local IGA and adjacent businesses, petrol station, hotel, cafes and the like in the township.
    Only a few months ago, MCGC proudly achieved a ranking of #73 in the Australian Golf Digest Top 100 courses in Australia. It was announced as the most improved golf course in the country, jumping 23 spots. It is listed at #42 of all Public Access golf courses in Australia. MCGC was voted #2 in a recent Advertiser poll of the most popular golf courses in South Australia. This is not by accident. It is the result of a lot of effort by our team, following our investment in new pumps, course upgrades, new maintenance equipment, building maintenance and active marketing campaigns. We very recently purchased a fleet of 20 new golf carts.
    That is not the behaviour of a business gravitating towards closure. We can assure you that it wasn’t and it isn’t our intention to subdivide more land from the property once we have completed the approved 40 allotment subdivision at the end of George Francis Drive – provided the golf course operations remain viable.
    THE ERD COMMITTEE’S DECISION

    In May the ERD Committee held a meeting to review the zoning of our land. An alternative zoning – Golf Course Estate – was proposed, which we fully supported as a compromise solution. Evidence was provided to the ERD Committee by Capitoline Property Pty Ltd, Alexandrina Council, the State Planning Commission and the Attorney-General’s office.
    The ERD Committee voted in favour of recommending to the Planning Minister, Vickie Chapman MP, that our land zoning be changed to Golf Course Estate. However, last week, Minister Chapman resolved not to accept the recommendation of the ERD Committee and instead put us through a full blown and protracted Code Amendment process to rezone the land Golf Course Estate, leaving us zoned Rural and Recreation for the time being.
    This process that could take up to 18 months to finalise – with no certain outcome.
    THE CONSEQUENCES IF THE MINISTER’S DECISION STANDS

    The impact of the down-zoning to Rural and Recreation is significant – our asset value has been hugely impaired. As a result, we have no alternative but to sell some land to pay down debt.
    This means selling the 16 allotments we had approved in 2016 fronting George Francis Drive and Arthur Road (see below for plan). Unfortunately, this will require the shortening and construction of a new green for the 2nd hole and construction of a new tee for the 3rd hole. The large stand of pine trees on Arthur Road near the 3rd tees will have to be cut down.
    When houses are constructed on the land, there will no longer be views across the course from any of the approach roads and the residents across the street will lose their views over the course.
    A further consequence of the down-zoning is that we have deferred other projects we had planned for this year – a new cart shed, redevelopment of the pro-shop and cart charging area, creation of a new sprig bar and outdoor dining area, a private dining room in the Range Restaurant, upgrading the maintenance shed, treating golf cart pathways with concrete aggregate and, of most concern, the replacement of the entire course irrigation system which is at the end of its life. This could literally see the course die before our eyes.
    The loss of land value we have suffered means we are unable to raise finance to pay for these things – unless the zoning is changed to Golf Course Estate now. As a consequence of the ill founded actions of Councillor Coomans and Alexandrina Council in attempting to “protect” the golf course, they have achieved exactly the opposite – by putting it under financial pressure and at risk of a catastrophic irrigation system failure.
    PLEASE SUPPORT MCGC BY WRITING TO MINISTER CHAPMAN

    Most of the residential property owners in the Mount Compass Estate, and many thousands more golfers and restaurant patrons, would like to see our business continue to grow and prosper for years to come.
    We are asking all those interested in maintaining the Golf Course to ask Planning Minister Vickie Chapman MP to revisit her recent decision and immediately implement a rezoning of our land to Golf Course Estate as was recommended by the ERD Committee.
    If you are willing to support us, please download, print and sign the attached letter and return it to PO Box 258, Mount Compass SA 5210 or simply drop it into the MCGC bar or Pro Shop by 5.00pm on Friday 23 July 2021. Rest assured your response will be treated in confidence.
    If we gain sufficient support from the community, we will submit this to the Minister for consideration and plead our case for immediate action. If that occurs promptly, we won’t have to continue with sale of the land fronting George Francis Drive and Arthur Road and compromise the golf course layout.
    Please do not hesitate to contact me if you would like to discuss any of the matters set out above at
    sconnor@mcgc.com.au or mobile 04 1118 1114.
    Yours sincerely
    Stephen Connor
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    If the re-zoning affects the land value (which I imagine it would), I could believe that that would make it harder to access/refinance loans needed to operate and improve the course/business. So he might not be just trying to build houses on the course land... not trying to defend him or otherwise as I don't know enough about the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobsYourUncle View Post
    If the re-zoning affects the land value (which I imagine it would), I could believe that that would make it harder to access/refinance loans needed to operate and improve the course/business. So he might not be just trying to build houses on the course land... not trying to defend him or otherwise as I don't know enough about the situation.
    Reading through various stuff/posts etc it looks like it is going to turn in to one big shite fight, which will likely drag on for ages. Shame really as the course nowadays is the best it has ever been throughout its existence

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    I think your right in that it’s headed for a big sh!t fight.
    If all that’s written is true the correct process has not been followed re: the sudden re zoning.
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    Yeah. I always though it was land owners that applied for rezoning. Or govts can rezone crown land they own. Its just bizarre a local govt can effectively downgrade the value of private land with the stroke of a pen.

    Here in Gold Coast, council wanted to prevent golf courses been converted to residential, so they passed a bylaw to enforce that a golf course must remain open space.
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    Cranbourne GC to close, merging with huntingdale 2025

    Cranny is decent Huntingdale not so - HCG about to be redone again
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanner039 View Post
    Cranbourne GC to close, merging with huntingdale 2025Cranny is decent Huntingdale not so - HCG about to be redone again
    Close? Or a joint partnership?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sms316 View Post
    Close? Or a joint partnership?
    Closed letters went out last night
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    Part of the letter

    As you may be aware the Cranbourne Country Club (Inc) (CCC) is the owner of the land on which we play. For many years Cranbourne Golf Club Inc (CGC) has enjoyed favourable lease terms and additional financial support from the CCC to enable us to efficiently operate our golf club.

    For a variety of reasons - including an onerous State Government land tax, the CCC has made the decision to close the Golf Club in 2025
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    This part was a highlight

    HGC is planning a $10-million upgrade of its course, which on completion will result in a world class golf course - likely to be ranked amongst the top 20 in Australia
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanner039 View Post
    Cranbourne GC to close, merging with huntingdale 2025

    Cranny is decent Huntingdale not so - HCG about to be redone again
    Thats an interesting partnership - Huntingdale is 10k away? You have Ranfurlie, Settlers, Sandhurst close by, and Peninsula 10k away as well. Guess they got an offer for land that couldn't be matched.

    @lefty - lets get Cranny on the 2023 tour if still open

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBennett View Post
    Gold Creek Country Club - the owners are now proposing to close the back 9 and infill. This will be somewhat unpopular to the rows of $2-3m houses that had golf course frontage, looking over to the Brindabella mountains 20k away. I suspect its an ambit claim to eventually settle to 'meeting community expectations and desires' and instead get approval to redevelop the driving range and 3 now closed practice holes.

    Yowani Country Club - Development application approval signs to lose 20% of their available land and build a more compact, shorter course with a relocated clubhouse. Not sure where they will fit it in but the club is heading towards insolvency without it.
    A few years on, the Gold Creek redevelopment and closure ended when the local residents association had many millions and a couple of lawyers ready to fight the owners. The redevelopment of the three practise holes was abandoned after local Government allegedly refused permission to change the lease. Gold Creek changed management structures and seems to be going along ok - but I don't have insider goss.

    Yowani - the saga continues. Still waiting on DA approval. I am hearing it starts next year, but I have heard that for a few years. Membership is still full, timesheets are full, but the facilities are 50 years old and need love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBennett View Post
    Thats an interesting partnership - Huntingdale is 10k away? You have Ranfurlie, Settlers, Sandhurst close by, and Peninsula 10k away as well. Guess they got an offer for land that couldn't be matched.

    @lefty - lets get Cranny on the 2023 tour if still open
    Yep, sounds like a plan.

    ****ing idiots, should've sold Huntingdale and kept Cranbourne.
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    The Hills has about a month to go.

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    Hills in Jimboomba? Who woukd want to develop that?
    There is a billion acres of spare land around there
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    Quote Originally Posted by spanner039 View Post
    This part was a highlight

    HGC is planning a $10-million upgrade of its course, which on completion will result in a world class golf course - likely to be ranked amongst the top 20 in Australia
    Saw this today, evidently CGC will pay the 10M to Huntingdale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benno_r View Post
    Was always gunna happen. The current lessee has run the course into crap condition over the last 8 years and raked in plenty. I beleive it's lj hooker who are buying and looking to develop, Shame for the course as it's a great layout bar the 5th hole

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    Reading into it... yes it was always going to happen, they were on a month to month lease, as you guessed for at least 8 years and they knew it. Obviously makes no sense to spend money on capital works if you could be evicted in a month. GC country club did the same.

    They wrote the developer is taking possession of the vacant land, not the golf course itself. I guess this all means a residential golf course development is going in, and this is just the early works. And they decided that with the obvious disruptions, the golf business is unsustainable so they quit while ahead.

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    They initially told everyone 10 years ago they had a 15 year lease, so not putting funds into the course didn't make sense, but if it is as you mentioned, month to month then that is understandable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shreko View Post
    They initially told everyone 10 years ago they had a 15 year lease, so not putting funds into the course didn't make sense, but if it is as you mentioned, month to month then that is understandable
    As it turns out, they have a lease until 2029 and said 3 years ago they would fight tooth and nail to keep it.
    Hills Golf Course operator Robert McNamara told the Jimboomba Times he was prepared to enforce his lease on the golf course until 2029.
    https://www.jimboombatimes.com.au/st...re-until-2029/
    Developer says: "The (change of use) application does not allow for any works to occur onsite and will not impact the operation of the current golf course. We welcome discussions with the existing operator at the appropriate time to enable the continuation of golf course related activities on the site post the development of the land."

    https://www.jimboombatimes.com.au/st...l-development/
    https://www.jimboombatimes.com.au/st...s-golf-course/

    Seems that the School is the owner of the land, and did the deal with a developer, and intention is to retain a golf course.
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    Word on the street is Lynwood NSW is a goner, golf course gone & replaced with sporting fields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JADO75 View Post
    Word on the street is Lynwood NSW is a goner, golf course gone & replaced with sporting fields.
    How often can you rebuild? The decision to sell the land at Kellyville and move out to Lynwood - with 30 years of financial security - was a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JADO75 View Post
    Word on the street is Lynwood NSW is a goner, golf course gone & replaced with sporting fields.
    You wouldn’t keep paying subs there
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    Quote Originally Posted by sms316 View Post
    You wouldn’t keep paying subs there
    How did Riverside Oaks go? It went under last time as well?

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