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26th July 2018 08:08 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by
Jarro
Why don't you like the layout ?
I don't even remember it anymore.
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26th July 2018 08:40 AM
#52
Senior Member
Multiple Major Winner
Originally Posted by
AndyP
I don't even remember it anymore.
I couldn't remember it 5 minutes after I played, and I can usually recall every hole without trouble. Pretty forgettable (other than the fact that a few holes were almost identical) and over priced for what it was.
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26th July 2018 10:23 AM
#53
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There was a few reasons I avoided it:
1. Price
2. Penal design (nothing like heaps of holes where good shots were feeding into hazards)
3. Lack of rounds under 5hrs
It was always in decent nick when I was there, but I never enjoyed being out on course there, probably due to reasons 2 and 3 above.
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26th July 2018 10:26 AM
#54
Senior Member
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26th July 2018 10:39 AM
#55
Senior Member
Major Winner
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26th July 2018 10:40 AM
#56
Senior Member
Multiple Major Winner
Originally Posted by
benno_r
When your one good shot a round lands middle of the fairway and feeds into a hazard, it's a little soul destroying.
They put a fairway and hazards on the driving range??? #drivingrangeking
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26th July 2018 10:40 AM
#57
Senior Member
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Originally Posted by
benno_r
There was a few reasons I avoided it:
1. Price
2. Penal design (nothing like heaps of holes where good shots were feeding into hazards)
3. Lack of rounds under 5hrs
It was always in decent nick when I was there, but I never enjoyed being out on course there, probably due to reasons 2 and 3 above.
Reason 1 was never a factor for me as I didn't have to pay, but even a decade ago they were stinging social golfers $140 a round, sometimes.
Reason 2, however, is one I remember a lot from playing there. I am not sure I have ever played another course than punishes well-hit fairway shots as much as Northlakes. Some of the fairways, unless you hit a big ropey draw high up onto the high side, your ball would trickle into a hazard or at best the rough if there was lucky enough to be some to stop the ball. On a few holes I remember the better outcomes were from poor shots that landed high up in the rough which would bounce down and into the middle of the fairway.
Comparing this to say Brookwater, which is equally difficult, tree-lined and a chopper's nightmare, however always rewards a well-struck shot down the guts as the fairways tend to funnel inwards.
There is a difference between a course being tough and a course being penal where it shouldn't. I enjoy tougher courses despite almost always putting up a big score; poor outcomes from poor shots is to be expected. I don't much enjoy poor outcomes from good shots, however.
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26th July 2018 11:16 AM
#58
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
benno_r
There was a few reasons I avoided it:
1. Price
2. Penal design (nothing like heaps of holes where good shots were feeding into hazards)
3. Lack of rounds under 5hrs
It was always in decent nick when I was there, but I never enjoyed being out on course there, probably due to reasons 2 and 3 above.
Originally Posted by
henno
Reason 1 was never a factor for me as I didn't have to pay, but even a decade ago they were stinging social golfers $140 a round, sometimes.
Reason 2, however, is one I remember a lot from playing there. I am not sure I have ever played another course than punishes well-hit fairway shots as much as Northlakes. Some of the fairways, unless you hit a big ropey draw high up onto the high side, your ball would trickle into a hazard or at best the rough if there was lucky enough to be some to stop the ball. On a few holes I remember the better outcomes were from poor shots that landed high up in the rough which would bounce down and into the middle of the fairway.
Comparing this to say Brookwater, which is equally difficult, tree-lined and a chopper's nightmare, however always rewards a well-struck shot down the guts as the fairways tend to funnel inwards.
There is a difference between a course being tough and a course being penal where it shouldn't. I enjoy tougher courses despite almost always putting up a big score; poor outcomes from poor shots is to be expected. I don't much enjoy poor outcomes from good shots, however.
If they end up in hazards they’re not good shots
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26th July 2018 11:28 AM
#59
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
If they end up in hazards they’re not good shots
I knew some joker would say that despite entirely understanding the point I was making.
If the only way to hit the fairway is to not hit the fairway then I put to you that it is poor hole design, or unenjoyable hole layout at best.
The topic of discussion was why the course is not enjoyable. That is a valid reason.
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26th July 2018 11:30 AM
#60
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
If they end up in hazards they’re not good shots
Of course you can argue that, but then by your definition a good shot is so much harder to execute it becomes an overly tough course that is no longer enjoyable.
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26th July 2018 11:42 AM
#61
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
henno
I knew some joker would say that despite entirely understanding the point I was making.
If the only way to hit the fairway is to not hit the fairway then I put to you that it is poor hole design, or unenjoyable hole layout at best.
The topic of discussion was why the course is not enjoyable. That is a valid reason.
Originally Posted by
benno_r
Of course you can argue that, but then by your definition a good shot is so much harder to execute it becomes an overly tough course that is no longer enjoyable.
When it’s dry and hard, seemingly good shots at Riverlakes will end up in hazards too but old blokes can bunt it around and keep it on the short stuff.
The inability or unwillingness to execute the shots required v course being too hard are different arguments.
Choppers gonna chop. It’s not the course’s fault.
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26th July 2018 11:44 AM
#62
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26th July 2018 11:50 AM
#63
Member
Touring Pro (Von Nida Tour)
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
When it’s dry and hard, seemingly good shots at Riverlakes will end up in hazards too but old blokes can bunt it around and keep it on the short stuff.
The inability or unwillingness to execute the shots required v course being too hard are different arguments.
Choppers gonna chop. It’s not the course’s fault.
So your saying that unless we all play old mans golf (bunt up the fairway) we should be penalised for shots that hit the correct part of the fairway?
Having played Riverlakes for many years, there were many areas to hit good shots too that were not penalised.
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26th July 2018 11:53 AM
#64
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
When it’s dry and hard, seemingly good shots at Riverlakes will end up in hazards too but old blokes can bunt it around and keep it on the short stuff.
The same goes for almost every course in SEQ when things dry out. I am not talking about running long or over-running your shot shape with the bounce and roll of hard fairways. There are holes on Northlakes where hitting the extreme upper left side of the fairway can result in the ball rolling into the hazard on the lower right. The hole almost takes itself out of play, unless you aim up near the cart path in the rough, dodging the trees, and have it run down into the fairway.
If some loose argument is being made that this is somehow good design and enjoyable to play, I would love to hear it. In my opinion it is neither, and is penal for the wrong reasons and in a very different way to any of the other more difficult (and more enjoyable) courses in the region.
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
The inability or unwillingness to execute the shots required v course being too hard are different arguments.
Choppers gonna chop. It’s not the course’s fault.
I can chop it on any course without fuss.
Northlakes is garbage.
/thread
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26th July 2018 11:55 AM
#65
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Shreko
So your saying that unless we all play old mans golf (bunt up the fairway) we should be penalised for shots that hit the correct part of the fairway?
Having played Riverlakes for many years, there were many areas to hit good shots too that were not penalised.
I’m saying if a shot ends in a bad spot it was probably a bad shot. Simple.
Many areas to hit shots to that were not penalised? Yeah, that’s my point.
The golf course determines a good shot, not the golfer.
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26th July 2018 12:06 PM
#66
Senior Member
Major Winner
There were not 'many areas' for other options in the hole I am thinking of at Northlakes. The way it played was not by design, it fought against its own design. Having to land almost in the bush or on a cart path for an effective tee shot does not a good hole make.
Imagine if we were discussing a car being discontinued after losing money:
"In my opinion after driving this car many times this car handled horribly and was always unenjoyable to drive compared to other options in its class. Every time I took a particular corner in the rain it would spin out, which I disliked."
"Yeah, but you are a shit driver."
Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The car and the driver can both be terrible.
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26th July 2018 12:10 PM
#67
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
henno
There were not 'many areas' for other options in the hole I am thinking of at Northlakes. The way it played was not by design, it fought against its own design. Having to land almost in the bush or on a cart path for an effective tee shot does not a good hole make.
Imagine if we were discussing a car being discontinued after losing money:
"In my opinion after driving this car many times this car handled horribly and was always unenjoyable to drive compared to other options in its class. Every time I took a particular corner in the rain it would spin out, which I disliked."
"Yeah, but you are a shit driver."
Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The car and the driver can both be terrible.
Slow down around the corner
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26th July 2018 12:12 PM
#68
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
Slow down around the corner
Exactly, and when you are forced to go so slow around the corner that driving no longer becomes fun, you are happy the car gets turned into a retirement village.
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26th July 2018 12:12 PM
#69
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
Slow down around the corner
As predictable as sunrise and sunset.
What if every other car didn't spin out at a normal speed? Are we still allowed to have an opinion that car is dogshit and not enjoyable?
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26th July 2018 12:15 PM
#70
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
henno
As predictable as sunrise and sunset.
What if every other car didn't spin out at a normal speed? Are we still allowed to have an opinion that car is dogshit and not enjoyable?
What if better golfers could hit shots that hold the fairway?
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26th July 2018 12:20 PM
#71
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
What if better golfers could hit shots that hold the fairway?
I played with far better golfers. Their opinion (and resulting shots) were much the same.
Regardless, and going back to the car analogy, that is a bit like saying a better driver would be able to take the corner with more success. Well yes, but how does that make the car more enjoyable or any better in any way.
Northlakes is the Mitsubishi Magna of golf courses.
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26th July 2018 12:21 PM
#72
Member
Touring Pro (Von Nida Tour)
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
What if better golfers could hit shots that hold the fairway?
So you are saying you have to be a pro or better (british open shots were not holding) to enjoy what is a resort course!!!!
I think the point is that even the pro's (who get on for free) would whinge about their good shots ending up in a hazard through a poorly designed course, as opposed to single figure markes who pay in excess of $100 to enjoy what is considered a top Brisbane course.
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26th July 2018 12:33 PM
#73
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Shreko
So you are saying you have to be a pro or better (british open shots were not holding) to enjoy what is a resort course!!!! I think the point is that even the pro's (who get on for free) would whinge about their good shots ending up in a hazard through a poorly designed course, as opposed to single figure markes who pay in excess of $100 to enjoy what is considered a top Brisbane course.
You've started your last two posts by telling me what I'm saying and getting it completely wrong. Let's try and simplify it, 2 questions requiring yes or no answers. 520m par 5, 60m wide, flat fairway, no bunkers. You hit driver dead straight 290m. Is that a good shot? Next hole, 150m par 3. You hit driver dead straight 290m. Is that a good shot?
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26th July 2018 12:54 PM
#74
Member
Touring Pro (Von Nida Tour)
Originally Posted by
3puttpete
You've started your last two posts by telling me what I'm saying and getting it completely wrong. Let's try and simplify it, 2 questions requiring yes or no answers. 520m par 5, 60m wide, flat fairway, no bunkers. You hit driver dead straight 290m. Is that a good shot? Next hole, 150m par 3. You hit driver dead straight 290m. Is that a good shot?
520m par 5, 60m wide, flat fairway, no bunkers. You hit driver dead straight 290m - bounces off rh side of fairway into a hazard that runs entire left side of hole!!! This is what happens at Northlakes
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26th July 2018 01:16 PM
#75
Senior Member
Major Winner
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