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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    Atrocious decision. Especially given the two you’ve quoted.
    Not enough or too many?
    I don’t remember the Solomon one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatchman View Post
    Not enough or too many?
    I don’t remember the Solomon one?
    One was a Swans guy hitting an Eagles guy = Good vs Evil. 7 weeks seems too much.
    The other was an Eagles guy attempting murder = 8 weeks. Not enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatchman View Post
    8 weeks for Gaff. Equal most amount of games with Dean Solomon.
    1 more than the Barry Hall one.
    Not true. Alastair Lynch was given 10 weeks for not landing a punch on Darryl Wakelin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftyHoges View Post
    Not true. Alastair Lynch was given 10 weeks for not landing a punch on Darryl Wakelin.
    Lynch's was 3 separate incidents totaling to 10 where as Gaffs was the single 1. I think Lynch was a bit hard done by, seeing it was only a Port player he attempted to strike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    Atrocious decision. Especially given the two you’ve quoted.
    Hall was actually 10 weeks but got a reduction by pleading guilty iirc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatchman View Post
    Not enough or too many?
    I don’t remember the Solomon one?
    I don’t actually have an issue with the number, I take issue with the comparisons and also the fact it took less than 14 minutes for a decision to be made.

    Why have a tribunal if they’ve already got a number in their head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOPHEAD View Post
    Lynch's was 3 separate incidents totaling to 10 where as Gaffs was the single 1. I think Lynch was a bit hard done by, seeing it was only a Port player he attempted to strike.
    Lynch’s also didn’t mean anything as he was retiring after that game anyway! The tribunal only gave him the big penalty to show their strength and to send the message that they would not condone that behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    I don’t actually have an issue with the number, I take issue with the comparisons and also the fact it took less than 14 minutes for a decision to be made.

    Why have a tribunal if they’ve already got a number in their head?
    People still go to court if they murder someone, hand themselves in covered in blood and sign a written confession. Processes are followed even if they seem redundant, and this was a formality considering it was fairly indefensible.

    Unless he wanted to try out the Simpsons Defence: "I was just swinging my arms like this *swings arms* and it's not my fault his face got in the way."



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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    Atrocious decision. Especially given the two you’ve quoted.
    I'll assume you are trolling. 8 weeks seems about right to me considering NicNat got suspended for a good tackle earlier this year.

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    So if he'd have actually punched him in the chest he wouldn't have gotten suspended?

    Buncha weirdos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    One was a Swans guy hitting an Eagles guy = Good vs Evil. 7 weeks seems too much.
    The other was an Eagles guy attempting murder = 8 weeks. Not enough.
    you really think the eagles guy was trying to murder another player...

    ya know people are crucifying Gaff for what he has done. no one is condoning what he did.. however there is 2 incidents in the past that are very same situations as gaff. 2 of these players are now highly respected players of the game and 1 of them is a senior coach in the afl

    Leigh Matthews 1985 whacks Neville Bruns and breaking the Jaw and teeth go missing

    Assult charges was laid and matthews was convicted and copped a $1000 buck fine which turned into 12 months good behaviour bond. Afl took his playing permit of him for a month as well copped 3 games

    Alistair Clarkson 1987 whacks Ian Aitkins in a exhibition match in london and now known as the battle of brittain Clarkson whacked Aitkins in the jaw, shatterring aitkins jaw and teeth was lost. Clarkson 4 game suspension.....

    Ok these incidents are from the past and rules have changed so much.. but they are relevent as they was the same thing That Gaff did....in fact the 2 cases i have mentioned are far worse then Andrew Gaffs incident, why as Matthews and Clarkson king hits both cuased Melee's

    the other thing is Matthews and Clarkson werent clean skins at the time and have visted the tribunal on other occasions where as Gaff in over 170 odd games of Afl has never had a blemmish to his name


    Gaffs incident is a nasty one no doubt about it. intentional reckless unacceptable yes... if Gaff didnt take the path he did in which he would have been advised to go that path by his club and lawyers and pleaded guilty and took full responsibility Gaff would have got less....

    Andrew Gaff is not a thug of the game. he showed remorse, he knows it was a bad thing , Mark & Deb Brayshaw, Andraw Brayshaws father and mother have forgiven Andrew Gaff and are also asking people to do the same and dont condem Gaff for his only blemish. they will not forget what has happened but the is difference between forgetting and forgiving....

    Gaff has learned a valuable lesson in all this, and i am sure Gaff will not want to do that ever again.

    Gaff was at the high end of this report of 8-12 games and would have recieved 12 games if it wasnt for his good record before the incident...

    at the end of the day Gaff has copped 8 games and he still has other ramifacations to come from this that we wont even hear about

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHY View Post
    I don’t actually have an issue with the number, I take issue with the comparisons and also the fact it took less than 14 minutes for a decision to be made.

    Why have a tribunal if they’ve already got a number in their head?
    So they made, in your mind, the right decision but took too short an amount of time to come up with it? FFS, most people can have a discussion and make a decision in 14 minutes! Are you a tradie? If you are it would explain it, those pricks can't do anything in 14 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozdevil View Post
    you really think the eagles guy was trying to murder another player...

    ya know people are crucifying Gaff for what he has done. no one is condoning what he did.. however there is 2 incidents in the past that are very same situations as gaff. 2 of these players are now highly respected players of the game and 1 of them is a senior coach in the afl

    Leigh Matthews 1985 whacks Neville Bruns and breaking the Jaw and teeth go missing

    Assult charges was laid and matthews was convicted and copped a $1000 buck fine which turned into 12 months good behaviour bond. Afl took his playing permit of him for a month as well copped 3 games

    Alistair Clarkson 1987 whacks Ian Aitkins in a exhibition match in london and now known as the battle of brittain Clarkson whacked Aitkins in the jaw, shatterring aitkins jaw and teeth was lost. Clarkson 4 game suspension.....

    Ok these incidents are from the past and rules have changed so much.. but they are relevent as they was the same thing That Gaff did....in fact the 2 cases i have mentioned are far worse then Andrew Gaffs incident, why as Matthews and Clarkson king hits both cuased Melee's

    the other thing is Matthews and Clarkson werent clean skins at the time and have visted the tribunal on other occasions where as Gaff in over 170 odd games of Afl has never had a blemmish to his name


    Gaffs incident is a nasty one no doubt about it. intentional reckless unacceptable yes... if Gaff didnt take the path he did in which he would have been advised to go that path by his club and lawyers and pleaded guilty and took full responsibility Gaff would have got less....

    Andrew Gaff is not a thug of the game. he showed remorse, he knows it was a bad thing , Mark & Deb Brayshaw, Andraw Brayshaws father and mother have forgiven Andrew Gaff and are also asking people to do the same and dont condem Gaff for his only blemish. they will not forget what has happened but the is difference between forgetting and forgiving....

    Gaff has learned a valuable lesson in all this, and i am sure Gaff will not want to do that ever again.

    Gaff was at the high end of this report of 8-12 games and would have recieved 12 games if it wasnt for his good record before the incident...

    at the end of the day Gaff has copped 8 games and he still has other ramifacations to come from this that we wont even hear about
    Wasn’t Matthews conviction overturned on appeal?

    Gaff did plead guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meh View Post
    So they made, in your mind, the right decision but took too short an amount of time to come up with it? FFS, most people can have a discussion and make a decision in 14 minutes! Are you a tradie? If you are it would explain it, those pricks can't do anything in 14 minutes.
    Sounds like an efficiently run meeting to me.




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    Quote Originally Posted by meh View Post
    So they made, in your mind, the right decision but took too short an amount of time to come up with it? FFS, most people can have a discussion and make a decision in 14 minutes! Are you a tradie? If you are it would explain it, those pricks can't do anything in 14 minutes.
    Incredibly classist. Are you actually a right wing neo liberal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    Wasn’t Matthews conviction overturned on appeal?

    Gaff did plead guilty.
    Matthews conviction was overturned on appeal but still copped a good behaviour bond instead.. still served his 7 week outage which was 4 weeks playing permit and 3 game suspension, might as well say 7 game suspension

    yes gaff did plead guilty. I believe if he just pleaded and threw himself to the tribunal hands , it would not have gone 2-3 hours and he may have still copped 8 weeks but reduced to 6-7 weeks due to his good record. but choose to go the path he did he got the low end of the 8-12 for the offence..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozdevil View Post
    Matthews conviction was overturned on appeal but still copped a good behaviour bond instead.. still served his 7 week outage which was 4 weeks playing permit and 3 game suspension, might as well say 7 game suspension

    yes gaff did plead guilty. I believe if he just pleaded and threw himself to the tribunal hands , it would not have gone 2-3 hours and he may have still copped 8 weeks but reduced to 6-7 weeks due to his good record. but choose to go the path he did he got the low end of the 8-12 for the offence..
    Are you sure Matthews missed 7?

    And I’m happy to give a QC the benefit of the doubt about how to handle the case.

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    Might have got less if he announced he was leaving beforehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Incredibly classist. Are you actually a right wing neo liberal?
    Hardly. I almost wish I did a trade so I could be overpaid and under worked. I'm sure there are good tradies around, I'm just yet to see one in action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meh View Post
    Hardly. I almost wish I did a trade so I could be overpaid and under worked. I'm sure there are good tradies around, I'm just yet to see one in action.
    Posting on a golf forum during business hours, to discuss football. Work must be flat chat.Maybe if you came down from your ivory tower now and then you would meet these mythical beasts. Although the tower was probably built by tradies so isn't done yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Posting on a golf forum during business hours, to discuss football. Work must be flat chat.Maybe if you came down from your ivory tower now and then you would meet these mythical beasts. Although the tower was probably built by tradies so isn't done yet.
    I'm on leave, dipshit. Careful on the dismount from your high horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meh View Post
    I'm on leave, dipshit. Careful on the dismount from your high horse.
    So quick to resort to petty name calling, clasic fascist move.

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    Don’t ruin our discussion on this attempted murder, you two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    Are you sure Matthews missed 7?

    And I’m happy to give a QC the benefit of the doubt about how to handle the case.
    the Vfl/afl as it was back then, took away Matthews playing permit for 4 weeks with a further 3 game suspension thats on top of his charges that was overturned on a bond to be 12 months good behaviour bond....i dont mind being corrected if i am wrong... 1985 is long time ago

    dont get me wrong i am not going to knock a qc benifit of the doubt either if they think it was the best way to handle it


 

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