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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    If they do lose, it will clearly be Nic Maddinson's fault.
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    Watch the selectors pick another bits and pieces all rounder on the basis of struggling to bowl them out on a flat pitch. Sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    Watch the selectors pick another bits and pieces all rounder on the basis of struggling to bowl them out on a flat pitch. Sigh
    I reckon if Maddinson doesn't find runs at some point they could well look at bringing in Travis Head with a view to easing the workload put on Starc and Hazlewood. Be nice to see Wade step it up at some point too.

    Great match, it's good Pakistan came back so brilliantly to keep the Series interest alive. A second capitulation would have been ordinary. They've got a fair bit of positive press of late and good to see them fight so hard. Having said that we dominated most of the match and got into a position to declare and set a target quite early in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    Watch the selectors pick another bits and pieces all rounder on the basis of struggling to bowl them out on a flat pitch. Sigh
    Any chance Lyon can be instructed to bowl mid to low 80s..the 90+kmh mid trundlers are embarrassing...Is there an issue between him and Steve Smith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxic View Post
    Any chance Lyon can be instructed to bowl mid to low 80s..the 90+kmh mid trundlers are embarrassing...Is there an issue between him and Steve Smith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNuclearOne View Post
    I reckon if Maddinson doesn't find runs at some point they could well look at bringing in Travis Head with a view to easing the workload put on Starc and Hazlewood. Be nice to see Wade step it up at some point too.

    Great match, it's good Pakistan came back so brilliantly to keep the Series interest alive. A second capitulation would have been ordinary. They've got a fair bit of positive press of late and good to see them fight so hard. Having said that we dominated most of the match and got into a position to declare and set a target quite early in the game.
    I'm a big fan of Head but even I wouldn't pick him for his bowling. He's a bit of a golden arm for 4-5 overs a day but I think he'd get taken apart in India

    (I couldn't even type that first line without sniggering)

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    Taking note of what is currently occurring in India, we may as well not go there.

    The English spinners are much better than ours, even Moeen Ali, and their fast bowlers are probably more suited to India than ours. But they can't get India out.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we select Maxwell and Travis (everyone should be on first name terms with him) and bowl them in 5 over stints with Lyon and O'Keefe (if fit). Fasties are a waste of time in India unless the ball is reversing.
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    Australia's bowling effort would have been easier with some help from the wicket keeper , Wades keeping was terrible on the flattest pitch in Australia , he cant even glove the ball
    There is no way he can keep in India on the pitches there , especially if we are talking 2 spinners

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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    I'm a big fan of Head but even I wouldn't pick him for his bowling. He's a bit of a golden arm for 4-5 overs a day but I think he'd get taken apart in India

    (I couldn't even type that first line without sniggering)
    He wouldn't be picked for his bowling, he'd be picked as a bat who can get thru some better fill in overs (for longer periods) than the likes of Maddinson and co. Not thinking of India so much as team balance. If Maddinson does happen to fail over however long the selectors give him Head is rght in the mix to take his batting spot.

    I too would hate to see another allrounder quest right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimandr View Post
    Taking note of what is currently occurring in India, we may as well not go there.
    Many of the squad from our last successful Indian tour stated you had to have prior experience to be successful. Sub continent experience is crucial given even Sri Lanka who we have previously toured quite well pumped us just recently. Granted at present it doesn't look like we will beat India (at home) in the next 25 years plus but we tour other countries with similar conditions as well.

    How long since India and Pakistan have been successful out here?

    If India somehow unearth a top level pace bowler in the vein of Kapil Dev (huge odds obviously) they will be hard to stop anywhere. They seem to have very little trouble finding excellent bats at the moment and spinners are a given. You could also strongly argue Ashwin is a genuine allrounder now.
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    shaun marsh will bat in the top 6 vs India, and the way things are going the only people he can replace are Maddinson or Renshaw

    They need to be horses for courses though, we would be far better off in India with an attack of Starc & Sayers plus 2 spinners. Hazelwood is our best quick imo, but will get nothing from Indian pitches. Sayers is a swing specialist who can bowl long spells. I'd only keep Starc for his ability to blast out a wicket early in his first spell, which can be crucial over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNuclearOne View Post
    They seem to have very little trouble finding excellent bats at the moment
    Like a lot of countries, plenty of batsmen with decent records at home, but not able to replicate it away. Even Kohli doesn't have a century in England for example

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Norman View Post
    shaun marsh will bat in the top 6 vs India, and the way things are going the only people he can replace are Maddinson or Renshaw

    They need to be horses for courses though, we would be far better off in India with an attack of Starc & Sayers plus 2 spinners. Hazelwood is our best quick imo, but will get nothing from Indian pitches. Sayers is a swing specialist who can bowl long spells. I'd only keep Starc for his ability to blast out a wicket early in his first spell, which can be crucial over there.
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    Ok Hilton Cartwright ? anyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    Like a lot of countries, plenty of batsmen with decent records at home, but not able to replicate it away. Even Kohli doesn't have a century in England for example
    Kohli has only had one Series in England and has gone on a fair sized tear ever since. It would be pretty brave betting against him getting a ton over there next time i reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coopers Country View Post
    Ok Hilton Cartwright ? anyone
    Apparently 4 first class wickets at 75 makes you an all rounder

    Edit: I think it's 15 wickets at 42 but even so
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Norman View Post
    shaun marsh will bat in the top 6 vs India, and the way things are going the only people he can replace are Maddinson or Renshaw

    They need to be horses for courses though, we would be far better off in India with an attack of Starc & Sayers plus 2 spinners. Hazelwood is our best quick imo, but will get nothing from Indian pitches. Sayers is a swing specialist who can bowl long spells. I'd only keep Starc for his ability to blast out a wicket early in his first spell, which can be crucial over there.
    You never seem to mention Starc's effectiveness when the ball reverses a bit later, particularly if he gets a shot at the tail. He's done loads of damage to both the tail and the top order during such moments. His full thunderbolts even get under the top order bats at times. He's a lot more than a first 40 minute whiz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coopers Country View Post
    Ok Hilton Cartwright ? anyone
    You can tell Chappell's back on the panel. The only saving grace is they didn't recall Marsh or Moses etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    Apparently 4 first class wickets at 75 makes you an all rounder

    Edit: I think it's 15 wickets at 42 but even so
    Being equally average at batting and bowling makes you an all rounder in Australia

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    He's played 11 20/20 matches and bowled 2 overs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coopers Country View Post
    Ok Hilton Cartwright ? anyone
    Never heard of him, when I saw the name I figured he was a private school boy or a yarpie. Turns out he's both.

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    Mick, he's actually a Zimmer but it's close enough ..........

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    FFS Australian selectors give Travis Head a go. Hilton who!


 

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