Cricket 2016/7 Season

[TheNuclearOne]

I'm sure changing 7 players will miraculously fix everything. Welcome to England of the 80s/90s

They aren't talking changing 7 players, just saying that only 4 are safe.

Voges got a million runs not that long ago at all. Lyon's always very handy and his record is actually extremely good. Nevill is a top gloveman. Those are the three most in the firing line apparently.

Voges is likely in trouble because of his age. Makes for a good scapegoat. He still averages 61.

Lyon tho sporting a top overall record seldom gets the job done oversea's when others are and seldom delivers in the final stages when the wicket is crumbling and other spinners wreak havoc and win games. Do we have a better option tho? Also, who will sing the team song! Maybe it won't need to be sung often LOLOL

Nevill is averaging 22 with the bat, not good enough really but he's keeping well. He's also older than you'd think. There's talk of Wade i hope his keeping has improved if so.

[3Puttpete]

Voges' average is inflated by so few tests and not outs against spuds

[TheNuclearOne]

Voges' average is inflated by so few tests and not outs against spuds

It's inflated by his 269no>106no>139 in succession and just 31 innings as you say but i'd put Southee and Boult above spud level. He does have some massive no's against W.I. who are indeed quite average. He batted ok right at the death of the pom series.

He can definitely bat but at his age you are just a short poor spell away from finished.

If they changed those 3 out for youth i wouldn't punch walls or anything. Lyon would be the unluckiest.

Makes for some great pressure and high stakes in the shield games this weekend!!! If a Voges has two failures he'd be gone for sure you'd think? Burns could do with runs too tho he has tasted success and is a view to the future. I wouldn't be getting too comfortable tho, the hierarchy are talking tough!!!

[coalesce]

I think Lyon has a different problem to the others in that Smith doesn't trust him/doesn't know how to use him. He's proven time and again he's the best offie currently available. I don't see how swapping him for someone else (who?) achieves anything at all. If anything he should be bowling more than he has been

Having said that would not be at all surprised if Lehmann picks O'Keefe for Adelaide because of his supposed pink ball specialism.

[Daves]

It was interesting that Chappelli pointed the finger at the Argus report, and the subsequent creation of the Performance role as the start of the decline.

[3oneday]

Now they're infecting the Socceroos

[TheNuclearOne]

I think Lyon has a different problem to the others in that Smith doesn't trust him/doesn't know how to use him. He's proven time and again he's the best offie currently available. I don't see how swapping him for someone else (who?) achieves anything at all. If anything he should be bowling more than he has been

Having said that would not be at all surprised if Lehmann picks O'Keefe for Adelaide because of his supposed pink ball specialism.

They've only been banging on about Smith not trusting him in the last 3 weeks tho. Absolutely it wouldn't be helping him.

He's the best about, but they might embrace a few sudden changes to be seen like they are doing something.

He's actually young for an off spinner and has many years of shelf life left.

It's been rapidly forgotten that prior to the Sri Lanka series we'd not lost a Test in our previous 9, winning 7 and drawing 2 with basically the same players.

Also, South Africa and us have never won a series at home in the last decade or so. We take turns beating each other away.

On the negative we are usually strong in Sri Lanka but got flogged.

Any changes will be made with a heavy view to the overall team make up for Pom tour here this time next year. There's not that much time to bed in new players.

I'd build the batting around Smith, Warner and Kwaka and give Burns the next Test and a couple against Pakistan to bed back in. Shaun Marsh will probably sneak into that lot with runs against Pakistan. That leaves one spot open with the potential for 1-2 more depending on performance.

I'd be eschewing all rounders until someone actually truly puts their hand up via performances. Keeper spot definately open. Lack of team runs as much as his own batting might hurt Nevill. If the team were scoring runs his own batting might be easier and the team would be winning more leading to less scrutiny on his spot.

The fast bowling will sort itself out via injury and comebacks from it. We've got some excellent bowlers about we just have to find a way to keep them on the park. I reckon the current system will be heavily looked at in the not to distant future as it's obviously not working. I'd keep also Lyon unless a leg spinner comes forth. He's an extremely handy cricketer.

Can't wait to see what they do, big or small.

[Coopers Country]

TNO have you put your hand up for Rod Marsh's job sounds like you have more idea than him
The selectors are only chest beating when they say only two batsmen are safe , they haven't got anyone else to pick really , the state of Shield cricket is pretty pathetic at the moment as well , there really isn't anyone beating the door down with performances , but there hasn't been many games either
Voges will probably be the scapegoat because of age and maybe Neville , but they are easy decisions for the selectors so will probably be the way they go
I agree with Warner , Smith and Kwaka all have pretty solid techniques , Shaun Marsh has impressed me the more I see him , for the same reason has a solid technique , Burns , can he bat at 5 ? he is iffy outside off stump , but not as much of a problem if he is not opening
The first 2 positions in the bowling pick themselves , still brittle in the third seamer spot , but like you said TNO injury has definitely cost us there , the spinners spot is another where selectors often make a change when things aren't working , and wouldn't surprise me if they picked O'Keefe to strengthen the batting , but its a stop gap , Lyon would be very unlucky he doesn't do much wrong
Will be interesting because the selectors are on the block now as well

[TheNuclearOne]

TNO have you put your hand up for Rod Marsh's job sounds like you have more idea than him
The selectors are only chest beating when they say only two batsmen are safe , they haven't got anyone else to pick really , the state of Shield cricket is pretty pathetic at the moment as well , there really isn't anyone beating the door down with performances , but there hasn't been many games either
Voges will probably be the scapegoat because of age and maybe Neville , but they are easy decisions for the selectors so will probably be the way they go
I agree with Warner , Smith and Kwaka all have pretty solid techniques , Shaun Marsh has impressed me the more I see him , for the same reason has a solid technique , Burns , can he bat at 5 ? he is iffy outside off stump , but not as much of a problem if he is not opening
The first 2 positions in the bowling pick themselves , still brittle in the third seamer spot , but like you said TNO injury has definitely cost us there , the spinners spot is another where selectors often make a change when things aren't working , and wouldn't surprise me if they picked O'Keefe to strengthen the batting , but its a stop gap , Lyon would be very unlucky he doesn't do much wrong
Will be interesting because the selectors are on the block now as well

Burns has been tighening up his technique a bit, got some good runs over NZ vs the moving ball. They had him where they wanted him then made a couple of them pay for poor team efforts in SL. You are right tho, if they wanted to open with Marsh Burns could could pop down the order for a while. He's in a dicey spot now the way the selectors have rolled.

Head, Lehmann and Kurtis Patterson are being bandied around a bit apparently.

[Moe Norman]

so you keep saying.

Are you actually comparing Indian batting technique to Australian? Chalk v cheese?

Wristy elegant players on flat pitches against a country keen to make fast cash attempting to take bash and barge to test cricket, unsuccessfully? i think the general argument is that the Aussie techniques is flawed for some reason, and that 20/20 won't be helping them?

South Africa play T20 cricket also, in case you hadn't heard?

[3oneday]

Lucky you came back. I'd repeat myself, but it's becoming tiresome.

[3oneday]

So, moving on, will they actually make 7 changes?

[TheNuclearOne]

Not a chance imo. They just said 4 are safe.

[pt73]

Has it gone to shit ever since rugby expert Pat Howard was in charge of performance?

Don't sell him short he's also got a Pharmacy degree.

[3Puttpete]

Burns has been tighening up his technique a bit, got some good runs over NZ vs the moving ball. They had him where they wanted him then made a couple of them pay for poor team efforts in SL. You are right tho, if they wanted to open with Marsh Burns could could pop down the order for a while. He's in a dicey spot now the way the selectors have rolled.

Head, Lehmann and Kurtis Patterson are being bandied around a bit apparently.

I think you give Burns too much credit saying he paid for poor team effort.

[TheNuclearOne]

I think you give Burns too much credit saying he paid for poor team effort.

If the team would have performed and won one of or both games before he was dropped i don't think he would have been dropped is where i am coming from.

In the Test before Sri Lanka he scored 170 and 65. He then has two bad games and is gawn when we'd been looking for decent young bats to show some mettle for ages.

I just think he was a tad hard done by, particularly looking at what the selectors did over there. It was a shambles.

I've never thought him to be any sort of savior myself, it was just looking like we'd found a good long term young top order bat. Everything was going to plan until Sri Lanka and now he is on the edge of the precipice.

[3Puttpete]

If the team would have performed and won one of or both games before he was dropped i don't think he would have been dropped is where i am coming from.

In the Test before Sri Lanka he scored 170 and 65. He then has two bad games and is gawn when we'd been looking for decent young bats to show some mettle for ages.

I just think he was a tad hard done by, particularly looking at what the selectors did over there. It was a shambles.

I've never thought him to be any sort of savior myself, it was just looking like we'd found a good long term young top order bat. Everything was going to plan until Sri Lanka and now he is on the edge of the precipice.

Ahhhh, I'm with you now. A win papers over cracks.

[coalesce]

Too early for Lehmann Jr imho and that's from a Redbacks fan. Head is ready tho

[BenM]

Rod Marsh has resigned from the selection panel.

Yay!!!!

[backintheswing]

Rod Marsh has resigned from the selection panel.

Yay!!!!

Couldn't agree more.


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[BenM]

Couldn't agree more.


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Best thing to come from this whole debacle for mine.

[backintheswing]

As soon as they said this morning he had the boards full support until July 2017, I thought he might be gone.


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[Sydney Hacker]

Remember when we hated the Poms because they had the foresight to get Marsh as their director of cricket?

[TheNuclearOne]

Remember when we hated the Poms because they had the foresight to get Marsh as their director of cricket?

He was somewhat relevant then, particularly for where the Poms were at. He sure ain't now, time has passed him by.

[TheNuclearOne]

Ahhhh, I'm with you now. A win papers over cracks.

A win gives struggling performers more time to find form. I wouldn't call 2 bad Tests a crack, he was averaging over 40 prior and going quite well. You can find 2 bad Tests in succession among any batsmans resume.