Patrick Reed - miss understood or a dirty cheat???

[meh]

Because it was team qualifying. Shoot 75 and you don't play in the college match that week. He was only cheating against his team mates who knew what he was doing! Heck of a player probably but doesn't mean he is not a dick of a guy!

Sorry PTP, that was my point. It's hardly a practice round when you are trying to play the next tournament.

[dazza99]

Misunderstood is one word, unless you're referring to some chick flick?

Who cares, they need theatre when Tiger is away otherwise they all lack personalities.

I reckon the game is 10x better to watch now that Tiger isn't a shoo-in for every tournament he tries in.

And I'd say there are heaps of great "personalities" in the game now. Patrick Reed being one of them. But also Rory, Sergio, Miguel-Angel Jimenez, Bubba Watson, Ricky Fowler and many others. Is there a more compelling personality than Ian Poulter during Ryder Cup? Damien Clarke is another "character". None of these guys could be accused of being boring automatons on the course with nothing to say and no personality.

[BUSHY]

Sounds like a disgruntled ex teammate who's now working at a driving range being pissed off Reedy has won on tour, blah,blah...
Sick of this crap coming out of the U.S.
Seeing as it like every time some no name becomes successful someone digs up dirt to try make some money off it...
I like the guy, plays with a bit of passion.

You mean guys like Russell Henley, Harris English, and Hudson Swafford, all of whom played on the same team at Georgia State before he was banished to Augusta? I think you should read the initial article before passing judgement. I've read nearly every article about it and the only conclusion I can come to is that he's an exceptionally talented, thieving, cheater.

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2015/01/...-patrick-reed/




“Hide your things,” they tell each other. “Patrick’s here.”

[TheNuclearOne]

There was a top local amateur here years ago used to be a shocker. One local identity had paid a fortune getting a special model Callaway BB from Japan and it was stolen from the locker rooms witin a week. Said grub turns up with a identical driver a day or two later telling him he had one the same but "it's not yours it has a different shaft and grip". Shaft had been sanded bare. Was told by a guy recently he drove him down to a pro am at Capricorn and at he end of the day when they hopped in the car there was a couple of bags of clubs that had not been there prior. Got called out cheating at the tail end of an Open too. He may have won that.

Stole duringwork experience too and eventually his house was raided. Thousands and thousands of dollars worth of stolen clubs and a pro told me/claimed some kid porn had been found on his computer as well. Got put away for a handful of years. Rejoined same club post jail, apparently after x amount of years they could not say no. Still a slimy looking grub and hated by 99% of people. How could you ever show your face again after that.

[Ferrins]

Might just take out the Valspar.

[Captain Nemo]

You mean guys like Russell Henley, Harris English, and Hudson Swafford, all of whom played on the same team at Georgia State before he was banished to Augusta? I think you should read the initial article before passing judgement. I've read nearly every article about it and the only conclusion I can come to is that he's an exceptionally talented, thieving, cheater.

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2015/01/...-patrick-reed/




“Hide your things,” they tell each other. “Patrick’s here.”

Bushy, was just a blanket statement on the US as a whole.
Seems like there is always a story re a sportstars past and someone digging dirt trying to make a buck out of it (ala Tigers last debacle)
Until the claims are fully substantiated id say lame at best....

[BUSHY]

Bushy, was just a blanket statement on the US as a whole.
Seems like there is always a story re a sportstars past and someone digging dirt trying to make a buck out of it (ala Tigers last debacle)
Until the claims are fully substantiated id say lame at best....

Yeah I agree with your first point. Too many people in agreement re Patrick though.

[Shreko]

You mean guys like Russell Henley, Harris English, and Hudson Swafford, all of whom played on the same team at Georgia State before he was banished to Augusta? I think you should read the initial article before passing judgement. I've read nearly every article about it and the only conclusion I can come to is that he's an exceptionally talented, thieving, cheater.

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2015/01/...-patrick-reed/




“Hide your things,” they tell each other. “Patrick’s here.”

Great read!!! where there is smoke, there is fire in them reeds!!!!!!

[Captain Nemo]

He has game, i'll give him that.

[3Puttpete]

Has anyone put their names to any of the allegations?

[markTHEblake]

In my experience a lot of better golfers are complete *arseholes. In a loner sport like golf that's a big advantage to have.

[backintheswing]

Is this like the "Darren Lockyer is on cocaine" story?

[Shreko]

Is this like the "Darren Lockyer is on cocaine" story?

And here I thought it was FACT not STORY!!!!!

[talbo]

Does anyone actually give a shit though?

[BUSHY]

Does anyone actually give a shit though?

Probably only the guys having to share the locker room with him.

[talbo]

True

[FuzzyJuzzy]

Someone posted on here a month or so ago a link to an excerpt from the forthcoming book. I read the entire excerpt (was freaking massive) waiting in vain for some massive bombshell that never came. It just turns out (according to what I read, anyways) that Reed is:
- A bit of an arsehole (which many hardcore, top-level competitors across many sports seem to be);
- A loner who doesn't make friends easily;
- Very self-confident, which tends to rub people the wrong way.

Beyond that, the excerpt mentioned some family history shit - his Old Man apparently pushed him seriously hard as a young golfer, and he's since cut himself off from his immediate family as a result, of that and I'm guessing other stuff. There's that stupid stuff he's alleged to have done at college - stolen money from a locker, cheated in practice and so on, which paints PR as a tool. But that has nothing to do with Patrick Reed the pro golfer. The book is obviously being released to capitalise on all the negative sentiment about PR that's been around since he made that silly "Top 5 in the world" comment after his win at Doral over a year ago.
When Reed made that comment, I thought he was a total tool. And opinion from his colleagues (from college and now from the Tour) seems to be along those lines too. But damn if he isn't a cracking golfer with an awesome professional career record to date - he could've won one or two more tournaments already this year on top of his win in Hawaii. Anyway, not all the awesome pros on Tour have to be good, clean cut blokes - leave that to Adam Scott and Jordan Spieth and Matt Kuchar, all of which (of course) are very much awesome. You'd sit down and have a beer with those blokes, not so much Patrick Reed.
Being an awesome pro golfer obviously doesn't require that you also need to be an awesome bloke in general. As a pro golfer (and competitor) Reed is obviously modelling himself (and his choice of Sunday outfits) on Tiger. How many times have we heard fellow pros say Tiger is an arsehole to be around? Doesn't mean he isn't/wasn't good for the game, and an awesome golfer. So long as he doesn't cheat in professional golf (which he hasn't, and I'm pretty sure he won't), then there's no issue with Reed. And this book isn't worth the paper it's printed on. It's a soap opera….the same person who'd buy this book probably buys those glossy magazines that are so obsessed with which cast member of Home & Away is shagging which cast member of Neighbours, or what's the latest with Lleyton Hewitt and his Missus. Who cares.
One thing for sure - you wouldn't want to face Reed in matchplay. Oh, totally unrelated, but this is awesome: http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/...-1227265584693

[BUSHY]

You mean guys like Russell Henley, Harris English, and Hudson Swafford, all of whom played on the same team at Georgia State before he was banished to Augusta? I think you should read the initial article before passing judgement. I've read nearly every article about it and the only conclusion I can come to is that he's an exceptionally talented, thieving, cheater.

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2015/01/...-patrick-reed/




“Hide your things,” they tell each other. “Patrick’s here.”

Someone posted on here a month or so ago a link to an excerpt from the forthcoming book. I read the entire excerpt (was freaking massive) waiting in vain for some massive bombshell that never came. It just turns out (according to what I read, anyways) that Reed is:
- A bit of an arsehole (which many hardcore, top-level competitors across many sports seem to be);
- A loner who doesn't make friends easily;
- Very self-confident, which tends to rub people the wrong way.

Beyond that, the excerpt mentioned some family history shit - his Old Man apparently pushed him seriously hard as a young golfer, and he's since cut himself off from his immediate family as a result, of that and I'm guessing other stuff. There's that stupid stuff he's alleged to have done at college - stolen money from a locker, cheated in practice and so on, which paints PR as a tool. But that has nothing to do with Patrick Reed the pro golfer. The book is obviously being released to capitalise on all the negative sentiment about PR that's been around since he made that silly "Top 5 in the world" comment after his win at Doral over a year ago.
When Reed made that comment, I thought he was a total tool. And opinion from his colleagues (from college and now from the Tour) seems to be along those lines too. But damn if he isn't a cracking golfer with an awesome professional career record to date - he could've won one or two more tournaments already this year on top of his win in Hawaii. Anyway, not all the awesome pros on Tour have to be good, clean cut blokes - leave that to Adam Scott and Jordan Spieth and Matt Kuchar, all of which (of course) are very much awesome. You'd sit down and have a beer with those blokes, not so much Patrick Reed.
Being an awesome pro golfer obviously doesn't require that you also need to be an awesome bloke in general. As a pro golfer (and competitor) Reed is obviously modelling himself (and his choice of Sunday outfits) on Tiger. How many times have we heard fellow pros say Tiger is an arsehole to be around? Doesn't mean he isn't/wasn't good for the game, and an awesome golfer. So long as he doesn't cheat in professional golf (which he hasn't, and I'm pretty sure he won't), then there's no issue with Reed. And this book isn't worth the paper it's printed on. It's a soap opera….the same person who'd buy this book probably buys those glossy magazines that are so obsessed with which cast member of Home & Away is shagging which cast member of Neighbours, or what's the latest with Lleyton Hewitt and his Missus. Who cares.
One thing for sure - you wouldn't want to face Reed in matchplay. Oh, totally unrelated, but this is awesome: http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/...-1227265584693

Reference my post above from a week or so ago. The only reason Shane Ryan came forward was because the stories he'd uncovered for his book were about to be released by other media agencies. Funnily enough the book isn't even about Reed specifically.

[IanO]

I don't get it. The guy was never found guilty of cheating, nor even really officially accused of it. So this book is looking to tarnish him with no burden of proof. I think it is a cheap shot.

[3oneday]

I don't get it. The guy was never found guilty of cheating, nor even really officially accused of it. So this book is looking to tarnish him with no burden of proof. I think it is a cheap shot.

it is in america remember

[BUSHY]

I don't get it. The guy was never found guilty of cheating, nor even really officially accused of it. So this book is looking to tarnish him with no burden of proof. I think it is a cheap shot.

I don't reckon. The book isn't even about Reed yet this is what he uncovered. The evidence of cheating is clear, multiple times and that's where his teammates caught him.

[3Puttpete]

I don't reckon. The book isn't even about Reed yet this is what he uncovered. The evidence of cheating is clear, multiple times and that's where his teammates caught him.

I'm interested in your definition of the phrase "The evidence of cheating is clear"

From what I've read this bloke's reporting rumour and the only person prepared to put his name to a quote is his ex coach who says he wasn't kicked off the team for cheating.

Now, if any of his ex-team mates want to put their name to a detailed, public accusation it'd have a bit more substance.

[BUSHY]

I'm interested in your definition of the phrase "The evidence of cheating is clear"

From what I've read this bloke's reporting rumour and the only person prepared to put his name to a quote is his ex coach who says he wasn't kicked off the team for cheating.

Now, if any of his ex-team mates want to put their name to a detailed, public accusation it'd have a bit more substance.

The fact that he was suspended for cheating is evidence enough for me.

[3Puttpete]

We clearly have difference definitions of fact and evidence

[BUSHY]

I don't see how. My definition isn't any different to what's in the dictionary. I even like the fact Reed and his 'team' came out saying they had a sworn affidavit from his coach saying that he hadn't been suspended for cheating when the actual document had scrawled across it "NOT AN AFFIDAVIT"

Maybe stretching the truth is his favourite pastime.