Tiger's Back Baby and moving all needles!

[3Puttpete]

I never dreamed he'd have the humility to go thru all the hacking with injury after injury and come out the other side. I'll pay that.

I said to someone a while ago the most realistic bloke in the world about his comeback and what he might be able to achieve has been him.

[wizard_of_oz]

He's not the GOAT, but as always, that's just personal opinion. There is no metric that can ever prove it one way or another. That's why GOAT talk is so pointless, for anyone.I will agree with you though, pretty much any old piece of shit is worth more than a Jordan Spieth win.

The GOAT conversation is usually hard to quantify in team sports like basketball (over different eras, defensive schemes, the strength of the coach and your team mates, injuries, number of championships, clutchness etc). But individual sports like golf makes it easier to quantify. Anyone can look up Tiger's list of accomplishments. The only other golfer that can even be considered as the GOAT is Jack. How do you measure ultimate golf success? Wins and major wins. Tiger is second in both categories and still has some time before calling it a day, Jack is first and third. Then you consider competition. There's no debating the sheer number of players and the talent now vs what it was in the past is at an all time high.

[benno_r]

The GOAT conversation is usually hard to quantify in team sports like basketball (over different eras, defensive schemes, the strength of the coach and your team mates, injuries, number of championships, clutchness etc). But individual sports like golf makes it easier to quantify. Anyone can look up Tiger's list of accomplishments. The only other golfer that can even be considered as the GOAT is Jack. How do you measure ultimate golf success? Wins and major wins. Tiger is second in both categories and still has some time before calling it a day, Jack is first and third. Then you consider competition. There's no debating the sheer number of players and the talent now vs what it was in the past is at an all time high.

You also have to factor in the intangibles:
1. Amount of hookers / cocktails waitresses / strippers banged
2. total amount of class A drugs in system at any one time

when you consider this it's a no brainer he is GOAT.

[Lucasto23]

I reckon the old guard had one and two well covered in their era

[3Puttpete]

There's no debating the sheer number of players and the talent now vs what it was in the past is at an all time high.

How do you work that out?

[wizard_of_oz]

How do you work that out?

From a sheer numbers point, you've got the popularity of the sport at an all time high, meaning far more players are vying to get on to the tour and the competition means that only the cream rises to the top. Technology for swing mechanics, attack angle, spin, shafts etc allow for the players to maximise their potential and optimise their game. Nutrition and fitness has come to the forefront now, and players are becoming more aware that all of these things add up.

[okitoki]

saw an article posted on FB about the comparison of Jack and Tiger
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/tig...-jack-nickalus

it does make it seem that Jack had more more 1 on 1 competition with other greats, while some can also argues that Tiger has a bigger pool of competition to play against ....

either way, both great players

[TheNuclearOne]

I love the opening headline being about how much of a gold digger she is. Awesome.

Same! LOL

Gotta make sure that clickbait gets swallowed.

[TheNuclearOne]

I said to someone a while ago the most realistic bloke in the world about his comeback and what he might be able to achieve has been him.

That's probably spot on. He's been quite honest really. It was a pretty good interview post win and he certainly knows the game. I didn't think he'd ever get the driver under control tbh.

[Jazz18]

That's probably spot on. He's been quite honest really. It was a pretty good interview post win and he certainly knows the game. I didn't think he'd ever get the driver under control tbh.

It's gotta be the twist face TNO!!!

[mrbluu]

saw an article posted on FB about the comparison of Jack and Tiger
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/tig...-jack-nickalus

it does make it seem that Jack had more more 1 on 1 competition with other greats, while some can also argues that Tiger has a bigger pool of competition to play against ....

either way, both great players

This to me 5 this article like most things going working there is a Jack bias. I not saying that Tiger is clearly better than Jack but it's a close discussion.

They even talk about a final round were jack played shit for the first 3 rounds and then got hot in the 4th round and finished second yet they hammer tiger for not getting the W...Tiger played well this year at the PGA and they don't talk about how good his second placing was after being out of the game for so long. I felt he played well at the British Open but had a couple of unlucky boinches and putted like a busted arse. M7

They also diminish is achievement of dominating the WGC events but saying they a smaller field events, which is true, but they have the top 50 or 60 players in the world so the are probably the strongest fields all year!!Even after being out of the game for the best part of 3 years, he is still 13 WGC wins ahead of his nearest contemporary which is DJ (18 to 5) with 2 guys on 3 wins and a bunch of others on 2 wins.

"Their win totals are basically a wash given how the modern era of golf has a number of smaller events (WGC and FedEx Cup) and, thus, a better win probability.*"

Anyway to me tiger is the goat, but I'm not going to disagree with someone too much if they put him a close second

[Jazz18]

The GOAT conversation is usually hard to quantify in team sports like basketball (over different eras, defensive schemes, the strength of the coach and your team mates, injuries, number of championships, clutchness etc). But individual sports like golf makes it easier to quantify. Anyone can look up Tiger's list of accomplishments. The only other golfer that can even be considered as the GOAT is Jack. How do you measure ultimate golf success? Wins and major wins. Tiger is second in both categories and still has some time before calling it a day, Jack is first and third. Then you consider competition. There's no debating the sheer number of players and the talent now vs what it was in the past is at an all time high.

TW second in majors but second in wins? How do you come up with that?

[mrbluu]

TW second in majors but second in wins? How do you come up with that?

Snead 82
Tiger 80
Jack 73
Hogan 64

[Jazz18]

Snead 82
Tiger 80
Jack 73
Hogan 64

Oh shit, that's right, I forgot. The only thing that matters in golf is the PGA Tour.

[TheNuclearOne]

It's gotta be the twist face TNO!!!

Read something about dialing in more loft and changing to the current shaft. Whatever's going on it's certainly improved.

[mrbluu]

Oh shit, that's right, I forgot. The only thing that matters in golf is the PGA Tour.

Ok let me know numbers worldwide??

[mrbluu]

Don't worry I will do it for U. Tiger is no.1 on PGA tour wins and number 3 on the European Tour, any others you want to look at??

[BUSHY]

Snead 82
Tiger 80
Jack 73
Hogan 64

Don’t forget that 2 of Snead’s wins were team events and one of his wins was the Bing Crosby which was decided to be a 3 way tie rather than play off (taking up valuable drinking time).

Technically Tiger is leading.

[BUSHY]

If Tiger was white he’d be offered a key to the universe already.

[Jazz18]

Ok let me know numbers worldwide??

Only Wiki figures so take them for what they are:

Snead 165
Player 165
Nicklaus 117
Woods 106

I don't think there is anyone in between Player/Snead and Nicklaus.

I'm not saying cockhead Woods isn't the GOAT and I'm not saying Jack/Player/Snead is. I'm just saying it's a ridiculous statement to say with any certainty that any of them are because there is no way of measuring it.

They all played in different eras, with different equipment, with different pressures, in different countries, on different golf courses against vastly different opponents. For example, Jack Nicklaus used to use one brand of clubs in the US and another brand when he came to Australia and he won 6 Australian Opens FFS! Bet little Tigger couldn't do that. I bet none if the precious little darlings these days could do that.

Greatness has very little to do with tally boards or "W's" if you really give it some thought. That's why it can't be quantified or compared.

[3Puttpete]

Don't worry I will do it for U. Tiger is no.1 on PGA tour wins and number 3 on the European Tour, any others you want to look at??

You’d have to remove the co-sanctioned events for those numbers to have any value.

[3Puttpete]

From a sheer numbers point, you've got the popularity of the sport at an all time high, meaning far more players are vying to get on to the tour and the competition means that only the cream rises to the top. Technology for swing mechanics, attack angle, spin, shafts etc allow for the players to maximise their potential and optimise their game. Nutrition and fitness has come to the forefront now, and players are becoming more aware that all of these things add up.

No matter how many play the cream always rises to the top. Maybe players ranked 50+ are worse than 50 years ago which is why it’s easier to dominate.

The technology argument also says current F1 drivers are better than drivers 50 years ago because they’re faster.

[wizard_of_oz]

No matter how many play the cream always rises to the top. Maybe players ranked 50+ are worse than 50 years ago which is why it’s easier to dominate. The technology argument also says current F1 drivers are better than drivers 50 years ago because they’re faster.

One could make the argument that beating a deeper field that the top 50 could win on any given week would be harder than beating a field of top 15 players. But to your point, I've read arguments made for both Jack and Tiger having stronger competition and none which I've felt was conclusive.

[timah!]

Jack probably wins the ‘most victories with a hangover’ stat.

Tiger wins the ‘most waitresses bedded after a win’ stat.

[3Puttpete]

One could make the argument that beating a deeper field that the top 50 could win on any given week would be harder than beating a field of top 15 players. But to your point, I've read arguments made for both Jack and Tiger having stronger competition and none which I've felt was conclusive.

It’s impossible to measure which is why I enjoy people having such strong opinions. Nobody needs facts