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    Quote Originally Posted by virge666 View Post
    No

    The ball leaves in the direction the club face at impact regardless of plane.

    If it is left going left. Then he is to far from the inside with a closed club face.

    Yuk...

    If he was OTT. he would be hitting a cut back to the fairway. Also called a pull cut which is what a lot of old guys hit when they only use their lower body.
    So what if the plane is left and the face is square to that plane? Would that not be a straight pull and actually over the top with a square clubface to the plane? I am confuse. I thought over the top swingers get a straight pull left if they don't get that face square to open to their target.
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    That's what I'm saying TNO, the ball cannot start left from swinging on the inside. If you swing from the inside with a closed club face at impact the ball has to start right. A pulled cut is OTT with an open face at impact
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    If it is a straight pull then the he must be coming from the outside with the club face square to the path.

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    Can't answer all this on a mobile device. Wait till I get home.

    In short.

    TNO... Yes
    Jado... No. Look up the modern ball rules... Your back in the early 80's

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    Quote Originally Posted by JADO75 View Post
    That's what I'm saying TNO, the ball cannot start left from swinging on the inside. If you swing from the inside with a closed club face at impact the ball has to start right. A pulled cut is OTT with an open face at impact
    You can hit it left coming from the inside but that shot will start left then hook further left Jado because of a face shut to the target line.

    Basically Matt are you hitting straight pulls left or do they start left and curve further left? Surely this would solve some of the puzzle. You said you struck them well so i am going to guess these were straight pulls no curve.
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    I'm sure Virge could dissect it with a bit of video whether it's an OTT pull or other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JADO75 View Post
    That's what I'm saying TNO, the ball cannot start left from swinging on the inside. If you swing from the inside with a closed club face at impact the ball has to start right. A pulled cut is OTT with an open face at impact
    You are correct Jadho!
    The ball flight laws haven't changed in the last decade have they?
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    The ball rebounds off the clubface in the direction the clubface is aiming at the point of separation. If the clubface at impact is pointing left of the ball/target line and the swing path is to the right or along the ball/target line, the ball will start off left of the plane line. Side spin is the result of a variance in clubface direction and swing path and direct contact (loft and compression). Side spin is what curves the ball in flight right to left or left to right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razaar View Post
    The ball rebounds off the clubface in the direction the clubface is aiming at the point of separation. If the clubface at impact is pointing left of the ball/target line and the swing path is to the right or along the ball/target line, the ball will start off left of the plane line. Side spin is the result of a variance in clubface direction and swing path and direct contact (loft and compression). Side spin is what curves the ball in flight right to left or left to right.
    Its all in the rule of Parallel Alignment. Seems a few around here could benift by looking up Mac O'Gradys theory’s on the golf swing! Maybe not for everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JADO75 View Post
    That's what I'm saying TNO, the ball cannot start left from swinging on the inside. If you swing from the inside with a closed club face at impact the ball has to start right. A pulled cut is OTT with an open face at impact
    Of course it can... as I said - look up the ball laws. Ball leaves at the direction of the clubface at separation. Path comes into it later on with spin. There are still some old pros that think path is where the ball starts, but these idiots were proved wrong in 2002, then again in 2004 and then Trackman proved it again and finally the old guard gave in.

    You will still find teaches today that don't believe it though...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNuclearOne View Post
    You can hit it left coming from the inside but that shot will start left then hook further left Jado because of a face shut to the target line.
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coldtopper View Post
    You are correct Jadho!
    The ball flight laws haven't changed in the last decade have they?
    No he isn't, and it also proves the old adage of pointing the club face where you want the ball to end up and swing along the line you want it to start to also be a crock of shit.

    The old ball flight laws as taught to golf pros last century. They are not correct.



    Here is DT's version of the balls flight laws from 2006



    There is also D-Plane, but that is for another time....

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    OK,

    Back to Matt's swing.

    Low right hip through impact shows the club has released early and his weight is still over his right side through impact
    There is nothing OTT in the swing, and you can see in the other swings over the last few months he is not getting onto his left side through impact.
    I have also seen him play back at StoneCutters a few months ago as well and he had the same thing.

    So body going backwards - club coming up through his neck.

    I would like to see it a bit steeper, with the club shaft and body working further left through impact. This will get his upper body weight onto his left side through impact and get the club head in front of his body earlier on the way down.

    My 2 cents.


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    Thanks virg

    So steeper with the swing plane?? As in when going back higher hands and arms?

    How do I get the weight on the left without sliding??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt 3 Jab View Post
    Thanks virg

    So steeper with the swing plane?? As in when going back higher hands and arms?

    How do I get the weight on the left without sliding??
    It is the same stuff we did at Stoney's.

    You need to feel like you are cutting the golf ball more... it will give you a higher ball flight and the hook will disappear. so will the shanks with the shorter shots.

    The rotation of the body through impact - which you are seriously lacking will get your weight onto your left side. Work that club further around to the left too please.

    Enjoy

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    Thanks

    So for tomorrow

    Hold lag in wrists, forehand cut dropshot, go left with the club.

    Going to be interesting!!

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    It's also likely that swing sequence didn't produce a straight pull as Matt first talked about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt 3 Jab View Post
    Thanks

    So for tomorrow

    Hold lag in wrists, forehand cut dropshot, go left with the club.

    Going to be interesting!!
    Yeah - start with that and see what happens. I like that little bleeding right shot, then if you want your real draw back we can work the clubface up more to get the ball turning over.

    Quote Originally Posted by JADO75 View Post
    It's also likely that swing sequence didn't produce a straight pull as Matt first talked about
    yeah - it could have. All you need the club head pointing left and his body going backwards to eliminate most the side spin. This moves the plane left and he comes through with the club head square to his new plane.

    (but as you say... probably left going more left )

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    Happy to play that little fade all day mate so will try for that shot!

    The draw can be used only when needed and that's the cross court forehand. Easy. Cheers for all the advice!

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    Well today was a great ball striking day

    Driver was on. 3 wood was on

    Smashed it all day.

    Irons were good. Bad shot was a hook when I released early.

    Was steeper into the ball I think

    Cheers virg! Great help as always. One of the better ball striking days in a long time.

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    Good to hear.

    Welcome back

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    Still too far inside hence the left ball


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    Lessons going well. Really hitting the ball well (except for one shot which i chunked hard and now have hurt my hand so wont be playing tomorrow as planned).

    Getting the weight over my right foot, turning and getting the arms to not get stuck inside.

    1st Driver swing i hit a draw to left side of fairway, 2nd one is a little cut. PT from the fairway i pushed but struck very well and the hole goes that way so its the miss. Last driver i smashed, couldnt have hit it better. Slowed that one right down to really let people pull it apart.

    Enjoy


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    Nice swing,mostly on a great plane all the way.Looking good Matty
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    No expert but you're noticably laid off going back but certainly get it onplane coming down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt 3 Jab View Post
    Lessons going well. Really hitting the ball well (except for one shot which i chunked hard and now have hurt my hand so wont be playing tomorrow as planned).

    Getting the weight over my right foot, turning and getting the arms to not get stuck inside.

    1st Driver swing i hit a draw to left side of fairway, 2nd one is a little cut. PT from the fairway i pushed but struck very well and the hole goes that way so its the miss. Last driver i smashed, couldnt have hit it better. Slowed that one right down to really let people pull it apart.

    Enjoy

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    Matt
    Looks to me as if your arms are way ahead of the body pivot in the back swing leading to an over rotation of the forearms. Notice the thumbs are almost horizontal on the upswing where they need to be towards the vertical for the right arm/shoulder to be adducted at the top. Yours is abducted which has a tendency to get stuck behind the right hip causing early internal rotation of the right shoulder on bad swings. IMO your trunk needs to start turning once the arms start to lift (when they pass the right leg). It is a turn and lift movement, rather than a lift and turn. This way the club stays in front of the body and the shaft is vertical during the upswing instead of horizontal. It will allow you to keep the right elbow inside the right hip with an externally rotated right shoulder. This way you won't get stuck on the downswing.
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