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17th October 2005 05:12 PM
#1
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17th October 2005 06:14 PM
#2
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Major Winner
Just do what he tells you? Forget Long Driving if you want to enjoy 'golf'.
And next time you tell your coach how you want to play... don't. He doesn't want to hear it, unless you pay cash. In which case he probably doesn't care.
Do what he says andyou'll play better golf.
Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dumb.
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17th October 2005 06:36 PM
#3
Legend of OZgolf
Touring Pro (European Tour)
LD competition and golf are two totally different things. Long Driving competition is closer to baseball than golf IMO. In golf your mistakes make you pay, in LD you tee up again and have another go regardless of result just like baseball.
Golf is a game of finesse and a controlled powerful swing is the greatest asset you can bring to the game other than a good short game. A good short game can be learnt (to a point) but power is more natural, you either have it or you don't, sure you can get fitter and stronger but you still need a natural power base to really excel. Otherwise you would have heaps of middle aged body builders winning golf events right?
What are your goals in golf Pete? LD champion I would imagine requires a totally different mindset to a PGA Pro.
You need to decide.....
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18th October 2005 08:26 AM
#4
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18th October 2005 08:45 AM
#5
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The problem is how much time you have to put into a swing to get it right, to have 2 different swings I see as an issue, then again I see 2 putting strokes as an issue too. The more varients you have the harder it is to keep them all in tune.
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18th October 2005 08:55 AM
#6
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I don't see the issuse that much Toolish.
If the two swings were a fade and a draw yes could be a problem. but the swings are more iron swing-peter lonard (short compact) LD swing-John Daly. Its better then trying to have two driver swings and a iron swing which I have been doing for the last six months, while i was starting in LD.
On putting I wish one stroke would work I'm trying to drop the cross handed but I still trust it if I start missing short ones.
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18th October 2005 09:00 AM
#7
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18th October 2005 09:08 AM
#8
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I don't know if your serious or taking the piss. I guess the later.
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18th October 2005 09:12 AM
#9
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Multiple Major Winner
Why is there a need to have a completely different swing for LD? If you were to work on a more "traditional" looking swing that generates lots of coil in combination with a strong base, surely you could generate 120-130mph+. I don't see how overswinging is helping either LD or golf. All it's doing is making you more incosistent. Wouldn't it be better to get all 6 of those LD's in the grid, rather than hoping one hits it??? I dunno, i could be wrong.
If you could get to say 130mph with a fairly consistent golf swing, then surely you'd be close to competitive with the longer LD club and properly fitted loft and flex etc...
Give proper golf technique a go first, before jumping ship to a John Daly overswing. That skinny little guy at Willawong last week was 120+ mph without even trying, so technique, timing and fundamentals obviously have merit.
EDIT: By working on sound golf fundamentals.... If LD doesn't pan out for you, you will have probably improved your golf game anyways.
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18th October 2005 09:48 AM
#10
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an overswing gives you more time to create hand speed and lang. You have to be alot stronger in the upper body to create the same speed over the shorter distance. hence a skinny little guy is smaller (was trying and lost it at the end, the more I try with a LD swing the straighter I hit) and can do it easier then a fat guy like me. if I shorten my swing I lose 20mph straight away. yes technique will improve anyswing but do I use a swing model that fits your body and nature or a skinny little guy.
I'm not jumping ship to John daly just going back closer to my first swing. where my sholders turn over 140* and my hips turned 50*
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18th October 2005 10:29 AM
#11
Legend of OZgolf
Touring Pro (European Tour)
Originally Posted by
peter_rs_644
Jaster-> You under rate LD you pay $40 to hit six balls in under 3min down a fairway as long as you can with a couple of hundered people watching you. You only get six shots at it- how may shots do you have in a golf round
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Under rate..nah sounds even more like baseball now except there are only 3 strikes in baseball
Seriously, it sounds like you are committed to the LD thing, if that is the case go find a Pro that is willing to work with you. More importantly have patience, I have played golf for over 20 years and started when I was 8. Results will take time and hard work, just keep playing and having fun
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18th October 2005 10:42 AM
#12
Senior Member
Multiple Major Winner
Originally Posted by
peter_rs_644
an overswing gives you more time to create hand speed and lang. You have to be alot stronger in the upper body to create the same speed over the shorter distance.
As I understand it, lag is maintaing wristcock as late as possible in the downswing before unleashing your hands through the ball as fast as possible.. It's got nothing to do with how far back you turn your shoulders, even if you can turn them 140 degrees... Have a look at guys like Sergio garcia, Charles Howell and Tezza and Trung to see what I mean.
The easiest way to speed is through the wrists. Having a strong body and generating resistance in your backswing only allows you to deliver your hands into the hitting zone a little faster.
Originally Posted by
peter_rs_644
hence a skinny little guy is smaller
ummm, yeah I guess.
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18th October 2005 10:48 AM
#13
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I'm committed to try to improve at golf(including LD) and I will try the changes just means I will have two driver swings.
Just after windaroo I was thinking I do most things ok but I drive well- whenever I play safe I *** up. It was fun to have the other team pull the piss out of my swing and then hit drives 50m past there best hits all day. The five marker said I should think about using a LD driver swing all the time (when he ask if I was just going after it because of the ambrose format) because he couldn't believe how long & controlled I was and that it would take preasure of the rest of my game. One thing that I think is true in general that he said "Golf is a game of power not control anymore look at the top guys driver, wedge LEARN TO HIT THE WEDGES, you are better of to hit a wedge from the rought on a good line then 7iron from the fairway". I know this is not always true- but there is truth to it.
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18th October 2005 10:54 AM
#14
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BV you are right on the lag. what I was getting at is if you have high hand speed a compact swing is great. if your hand speed is slower then a longer swing which keeps accelerating will get to the same hand speed at impact.
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18th October 2005 10:56 AM
#15
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18th October 2005 11:00 AM
#16
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Multiple Major Winner
Originally Posted by
peter_rs_644
BV you are right on the lag. what I was getting at is if you have high hand speed a compact swing is great. if your hand speed is slower then a longer swing which keeps accelerating will get to the same hand speed at impact.
I disagree. I think you either have that fast twitch muscle type or you don't. Swinging the club further aint gonna help, if you dont have the natural hand speed. Look at me for instance. Doesn't matter what swing I put on it, I can't swing much faster than about 110mph. There is no point me trying to be a LD'er, as there is no way I could get the club head speed to a worthwhile level. In fact I can hit it just as far from a stationary 3/4 backswing position as a happy gilmore swing.
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18th October 2005 11:02 AM
#17
Moderator
Touring Pro (European Tour)
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18th October 2005 12:36 PM
#18
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
Shazza-> you will keep
OK stephen do you use a LD club on course and a LD swing backed of, or a normal driver with a shorter more compact swing?
Key point BV is that you KEEP ACCELERATING, if you stop accelerating then a longer swing wont help. agree to disagree i guess.
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18th October 2005 01:04 PM
#19
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For the record this is what I have been modelling my LD swing on.
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18th October 2005 01:24 PM
#20
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That person turns their shoulders to about 110 degrees, which is awesome. Looks like he has great extension and arc, but IMHO he's wasting his time going 45 degrees past horizontal at the top.
If you want to do the same for LD and you believe it helps you swing faster, then go nuts!
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18th October 2005 05:04 PM
#21
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18th October 2005 06:33 PM
#22
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Peter,
My friend.... i feel personally responsible for your LD "Career" as it is to be... I've been doing his for a smidge longer than you and I have been through the highs and the lows of LD....
Before I go on I want to know what your intentions are in LD.... Where do you see yourself in this sport ? What do you want to achieve ? Do you know how do achieve these goals ? What about your golf.... What do you see yourself doing there ?
answer me these and I will continue with my "lecture"
Keza
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18th October 2005 06:43 PM
#23
Senior Member
Major Winner
Did the guy in that series of photos get caught at Cow Corner?
That's just an agricultural swipe at the ball, not a golf shot. Trying to do that is not going to work with any other club in your bag other than driver.
Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dumb.
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19th October 2005 08:54 AM
#24
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Touring Pro (PGA)
eag's->This is a interesting read I never said it was all about power, I agree wedges, short game/putting are very important but power can make scoring easier.
Keza->
personally responsible for your LD "Career" as it is to be
Not true-> you just gave me some direction
Golf Goal->If I was to be serious (and dream/work hard everyday) the best I think I could get/want is to play the sunshine tour/pro-am tour. In the last year since I have been working with a coach I have started to hit the ball well but my golf brain is only just starting. In the last 3 month I have taken the 100 scores out. I still have blow out holes (quads) which I have to fix if I ever want to go any where in golf, and as my golf brain is getting better the blow outs get less.
Short term goal is to work on my iron swing/short game and putting, If i learn to trust this more then I will get to true 18 hcp soon. I don't see that I will peak in golf for at least 3 years time, I just have to much to learn.
LD Goal->I haven't been doing it long enough but I want to see how long and repeatable swing I can develop (I don't think I'm a true LD at present because I'm still backing off for controll). Short term get back to the Nats next year and be in a place to contend. I figure I have maybe 2 years to do something in open mens LD before I'm to old to match younger stronger kids.
ways to get better->
-Find a LD swing which fits my body- I think I have.
-Find a LD swing coach
-Prac the swing
-gym/ cardo to drop some body weight
Fish-> that is why it is a long drive swing only. I would never try to do it with other clubs
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19th October 2005 08:29 PM
#25
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Japanese Tour)
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