Scifi's swing

[Scifisicko]

[virge666]

Happy to help mate - give me a couple of days though - busy weekend.

[Scifisicko]

More room helps
http://youtu.be/MX_DAIzK16Q

[virge666]

Sci

It is lower body and setup that need to change. You dont use the ground at all and the hands are too early into impact with a massive flip.

As i said in the video, go and get copies of your favourite golfers and copy their leg action... your upper body turns well, just in the wrong direction as your lower half is just way too active. Your legs have to store and release the power from your upper body and the angles you create with the clubs and arms. You would hit the ball flatter and further with a better leg action... at present you are pretty much jst hitting a lob shot with everything


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[Scifisicko]

Thanks for the comments, cant see the videos though. Can you check they are working?

[timah!]

You dont use the ground at all and the hands are too early into impact with a massive flip.

Yes, I got one!

[Yossarian]

Thanks for the comments, cant see the videos though. Can you check they are working?

It says removed by user for me.

[virge666]

Fixed.

[Scifisicko]

Thanks Virge, I appreciate the effort. Had a crack at working on the lower half, tip to engage quads and glutes was very helpful. Lower half looks a little better and i feel vaguely connected to the ground... but now feel like i have no power and HAVE to throw the hands at it. Hopefully this will pass.

I like the way that players like Duval keep the face square to the plane through the whole swing (most would say closed at all points other than impact and then through the ball would be open) and removes a critical moving part.

[virge666]

Sci,

The backswing is better - you look more balanced at the top.

But you need to rotate you left hip out of the way... not in a subtle, girly, comfortable way but in a Manly, violent, and stupidly quick way. Your power comes from this... the faster you do this - the further and straighter the ball goes.

How do you know if you have done it ? Look at the clubhead a foot after impact, if it has flipped under and is open, then it is still not enough.

If you look at my swing, I am also square to the plane, but you are not for 80% of your swing. You are shut on the backswing and stupidly, miles open on the follow through. If you can adjust it so that you are always square to the plane - you will be a better ball striker overnight.

Enjoy.

[Scifisicko]

OK, panties away....
First one is similar to the nancy swing in the last post just a bit harder and not quite as strong at the top


Second one i have tried to exaggerate swinging the hips in a manly way


Either way i think i look a bit better at the top and through the ball.
These stills are from the original swing posted compared to the first one in this post
compare top.jpgcompare hit.jpgcompare hit + 1.jpg

Not sure what to do with the hips from here. Advice appreciated.

[Scifisicko]

Sci,

The backswing is better - you look more balanced at the top.

But you need to rotate you left hip out of the way... not in a subtle, girly, comfortable way but in a Manly, violent, and stupidly quick way. Your power comes from this... the faster you do this - the further and straighter the ball goes.

How do you know if you have done it ? Look at the clubhead a foot after impact, if it has flipped under and is open, then it is still not enough.

If you look at my swing, I am also square to the plane, but you are not for 80% of your swing. You are shut on the backswing and stupidly, miles open on the follow through. If you can adjust it so that you are always square to the plane - you will be a better ball striker overnight.

Enjoy.

Thanks a lot Virge

Can you clarify what you mean by flipped open and under 1 foot after? I cant see the club face on your videos and when i capture them i cant play them....sigh...I reckon i am square to the plane 1 foot after impact. The red line is the plane (duh) the blue line is the club face into impact, the white lines are after impact. Maybe i dont understand the concept ?

[timah!]

Sci,

I think what Virge is saying is if you have 'flipped under' the club face will be open and facing up at the sky.
If you've had a solid impact, the club face will still be moving forward at a fairly square sort of look rotating around as the hands/arms move around.
That would be my explanation anyway.

[Daves]

Virge is away for an extra long weekend of "blowing things up" amongst other things.

[Scifisicko]

Thanks Timah, for the moment im trying to copy this bloke

[timah!]

I'm on a phone so the piccie isn't clear but who is it?

Also, looking at that pic, I think your focussing on the wrong parts.
Look at your hips and upper body compared to your model.

[Scifisicko]

its Duval, yeah i get what you are saying, i wasnt working on my swing before I complained about how high i was hitting the Nunchuk and virge told me it was because of a massive lower body generated flip. I dont yet understand what i am trying to achieve a foot past impact with the club face (or with my lower body) but i think the changes i have made have based on Virge's suggestions have helped and its coming. If the club face was pointing at the sky a foot past impact, wouldnt i be hitting a block/slice?

[timah!]

You understand the notion of 'flipping' yeah? You're throwing your hands at the ball at impact in an effort to create force. Well that's the best way I can describe it.
Whereas correct impact is where we have shaft lean - where the hands are in front of the club head. I think what Virge is saying would best be explained with a club in your hands. Grab one, and get your hands in front of the club head to recreate impact. If you then think of that continuing as a follow through, of you're in a good position at impact, then the club face should continue along with the arms/hands and (most likely?) point down.
If you've flipped, at impact the club face would be pointing up and would continue on that path most notably in that 1 ft space.
By getting your hips clear and open, and your upper body opposite, your effectively making your body a coil to create power. Hence why Virge has talked about a stable and 'powerful' lower body.

As for the type of shot with a club face open, I'd suggest a weak push, but you're not going to see that in the 3m to your net.

[Scifisicko]

Timah, yeah i think so.. as you explain it caused by cupping your left wrist and losing the cup in your right wrist through impact, resulting in the club head getting ahead of the hands. I didnt realise it was also about being under the plane with an open club face, but i dont really understand what these last bits mean, Virge says i have both problems, i do play a fair bit of golf and i don't hit many weak push shots and my shot shape is generally right to left. Anyway so far this thread has been great for my golf, what i am doing with my lower body is helping and i am looking forward to more clarity.

I have no idea how to embed a Youtube video.

[Daves]

I have no idea how to embed a Youtube video.

The easiest way is to click on the Video icon in the tool bar above, 2nd last one on your right, next to the Insert Image icon. A box called "Insert Video Clip"will pop up. Copy the address line for the video into the box and hit OK and it will insert the code.

Or if you want to type the code yourself, see this link;

http://www.ozgolf.net/misc.php?do=bbcode

[matty]

Scifi, world of difference between posts 1 and 9. Keep it up.
I've had good results lately watching mcilroy swings. Check his backswing, how he loads, how solid he is, then he let's it rip in a manly way. Sort of what virge is talking about.....I think.

[Scifisicko]

Thanks Daves, Yeah Rory has an amazing lower body action...enough to put me in hospital.

[virge666]

Post 11 is a move in the right direction.

#2, stop looking down the line - no one gives a shit about plane in isolation. Look at it front on. Compare that to Duval and then we have a chance of moving forward.

As for flipping, look front on a foot after impact. you will see the clubhead has passed your hands, your left wrist is bent to the left and the clubface is pointing up at the sky. This is flipped. Your new swing in 11 is much better, but try not to bend the left knee as much, rotate the lower half and keep the hips level.

As for shot shape... a good flipper will teach himself to hit high hooks or draws as some may call it. Really it is hooking lob shot. There is no real penetration or compression. A bad flipper will come over the top and hit big slices. the best way to fix it is to be able to hit low cuts with 6 or 7 iron about 140m using the body to release the clubhead through impact.

Right foot back drills also work sometimes, but I would not suggest it with you... your right side is still pretty soggy and the legs are still over active.

But much much much much better.

[virge666]

Thanks Timah, for the moment im trying to copy this bloke

Check out your right shoulder and compare it to Duval... not even close.

[Scifisicko]

Virge, thanks for the comments, ill leave the shoulders for now while i work lower half. QQ, would you say i am closer with the first or second swing in post 11? They have very different feels. Either way i will be working on hips level and left knee out.