The "Ask a Clubmaker" Thread

[Captain Nemo]

Cool JC, I don't judge mate..so you go be yourself

Bwahahaha, each to their own I suppose!

[chappy1970]

Cheers Chappy. I've got some grinding to do.

Seriously though JC with right tapering of the end it gets right into the bits at the bottom of the hosel that are typically impossible to get to

[keymaster]

I bent my first full set today. Didn't snap any clubs which is a positive...

I did notice that when I was bending, there was a bit of creaking. Very quiet, but I assume this is just the glue, the steel or ferrule moving a bit?

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[Captain Nemo]

I bent my first full set today. Didn't snap any clubs which is a positive...

I did notice that when I was bending, there was a bit of creaking. Very quiet, but I assume this is just the glue, the steel or ferrule moving a bit?

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Id hope it’s not the the epoxy you might be in trouble!
you should have the bending bar below the ferrule anyway otherwise you’ll mark them pretty heavily!

[keymaster]

All good. I asked Dr Google and said that it's probably just the bending bar or machine itself. Apparently a club will just snap without any creaking warning....

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[chappy1970]

What kind of club were you bending? I assume they were forged, because if they were cast heads the creaking could be disastrous

[D22marshall]

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[D22marshall]

Here’s one building to show.
Was trying to remove what seemed to be a tungsten weight as the bore was very short approx one inc, then a small drill pushed into side of bore snapped into the head then had to drill out to remove it.
Long story short another drill snapped scratch crown destroying it, so then it was game on kept drilling could not get to bottom as per normal so then the big guns cut head in half and found what you see in the pics. I was never getting it out!
The joys of learning

[keymaster]

What kind of club were you bending? I assume they were forged, because if they were cast heads the creaking could be disastrous

Yeap some nice forged epon irons.

[Flavzz]

So I have a 35 inch Yes! Natalie and just bought a Super Stroke XL 2.0 Plus (the longer version suited to counter weighting). I need some advice on how to set this up. If I want it to be counterweighted, do I need to extend the shaft and then install the grip or can I just install the grip on the current shaft? What weight options do I need for it?

[markTHEblake]

IF you removed a driver head and replaced with another completely different head but weighs exactly the same, should the feel ( weight) of the club be the same?

I have previously tried to replicate a driver, exact same shaft, length, headweight, and its like comparing chalk and cheese.

So I either the guy who replicated the club didnt do what I asked or different head construction makes a difference.

[D22marshall]

IF you removed a driver head and replaced with another completely different head but weighs exactly the same, should the feel ( weight) of the club be the same? I have previously tried to replicate a driver, exact same shaft, length, headweight, and its like comparing chalk and cheese. So I either the guy who replicated the club didnt do what I asked or different head construction makes a difference.

Seeing what I did with that miura head I would say it won’t play the same head construction really determines the feel and playability of a head.Most jdm heads I have played always hook no I know why after cutting this one open.

[AD23]

IF you removed a driver head and replaced with another completely different head but weighs exactly the same, should the feel ( weight) of the club be the same?

I have previously tried to replicate a driver, exact same shaft, length, headweight, and its like comparing chalk and cheese.

So I either the guy who replicated the club didnt do what I asked or different head construction makes a difference.

If the clubs were built to the same MOI, the feel should be the same. Playability is a different matter as you have CG location, face angle and so on that plays a factor.


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[markTHEblake]

If the clubs were built to the same MOI, the feel should be the same.

Thats what I thought... Im probably gunna have another crack at replicating this. Now that i think about it, the replicant might have a shaft extension in the butt. That could throw things out of whack i suppose.

Playability is a different matter as you have CG location, face angle and so on that plays a factor.

Naturally.

[AD23]

Thats what I thought... Im probably gunna have another crack at replicating this. Now that i think about it, the replicant might have a shaft extension in the butt. That could throw things out of whack i suppose. Naturally.

Yep, length has a huge influence on MOI


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[Daves]

Yep, length has a huge influence on MOI


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Yep, that is the way I match my clubs to my target MOI, change the length. I am tall, so it suits me. Much fiddlier to play with head weight, though I do apply the odd piece of lead tape to fine tune a club. I keep records to help with my measurements. On average (over hundreds of clubs) 1" is equal to about 160 kg/cm2 or about 5.5% of my target MOI. Wishon reckons the average player would notice a difference of more than 1 to 1.5%., so I use +/- 0.5% as my maximum tolerance.

An average set of irons swing weighted from the factory will vary by about 70/80 km/cm2 from the longest iron (highest MOI) to the 9i/PW. Moving to 3/8" increments rather than 0.5" will give you a closer approximation if you don't have access to an MOI Analyzer.

[markTHEblake]

Yep, length has a huge influence on MOI

But i meant the lengths are the same, with one club having an extension put in to get the same length. I guess its possible there is an effect if the shaft weight is slightly off?

Daves, you probably guessed I'm talking about a nunchuk here. Lengthening it to get an MOI match isnt n option as its just too heavy.

[wazamac]

Is the weight of a putter limited? I don't see many around over 370g.

[Daves]

But i meant the lengths are the same, with one club having an extension put in to get the same length. I guess its possible there is an effect if the shaft weight is slightly off?

Daves, you probably guessed I'm talking about a nunchuk here. Lengthening it to get an MOI match isnt n option as its just too heavy.

Yes, the Nunchuks are a bit of a different animal club building wise. The typical Graphite extensions are pretty light, about 12g raw, probably 7/8g cut to 0.5" to 1". You can add weight to the butt end with Lead plugs, but it has bugger all effect on MOI. Some like the feel of extra weight under the grip, but the science says it doesn't change the club's heft at all. That doesn't stop you matching the MOI of two Nunchuk fitted clubs via lead tape or changing removable weights, if that is an option?

[AD23]

Is the weight of a putter limited? I don't see many around over 370g.

Nope. Adjustable weights may help and there are some brands that can go quite heavy (eg Cure).


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[Daves]

Is the weight of a putter limited? I don't see many around over 370g.

Heavy Putters make some up to 600/700 grams;

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Bocc...D/233408612634

https://shop.boccierigolf.com/golf-c...s/heavy-weight

But they counter balance the head weight with significant weight in the grip end.

[Stuart]

Heavy Putters make some up to 600/700 grams;

I have one of original Heavy (Boccieri) putters that still makes it into the bag every now and again. They are excellent if you hands are getting a bit 'twitchy' as the extreme weight makes it far easier to just stroke the ball. I would highly recommend trying one out for yourself if you are interested.

[wazamac]

I have one of original Heavy (Boccieri) putters that still makes it into the bag every now and again. They are excellent if you hands are getting a bit 'twitchy' as the extreme weight makes it far easier to just stroke the ball. I would highly recommend trying one out for yourself if you are interested.

Interested in something. Only play 10 to 12 times a year now and, when gyms were open, I was going daily.
Everytime i was heading out the putter felt lighter and lighter. I have an older two ball with heaviest weight in to make it 370g.
Might look around and see what is out there, I just thought there may have been some obscure rule that I didn't know about.

[NewyMitch]

These look like a cheap way to try one out.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/balg...oid_VIP_sticky

[Stuart]

If the club head feels too light, the other option is to play around with lead tape on an existing putter that you already like. I added a MOUNTAIN of lead tape to an old favourite Ping putter to get it to the weight that now felt ‘right’.