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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    Cheers. I found one of his other similar videos and it looked good too. I couldn’t tell from that one what grit sandpaper to use so figured I’d ask the here rather than butcher it by guessing wrong.
    He answered that question in the comments or whateverthey're called on YouTube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pt73 View Post
    He answered that question in the comments or whateverthey're called on YouTube.
    Fair enough. I don’t think I’ve ever read a comment under any YouTube clip. Forgot they were there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy View Post
    Fair enough. I don’t think I’ve ever read a comment under any YouTube clip. Forgot they were there.
    Me too, I was going to send him a question on IG and looked at the comments on the off chance someone had asked .....

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    So, swing weight - is the method described here correct for approximating it? https://www.tutelman.com/golf/design/swingwt4.php

    And if so, would a driver swing weight of ~C6 and a 3 wood swing weight of ~D1 be considered unusual/too far apart? Total weight of 3w is ~20 grams more than driver, almost all of that from the head weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobsYourUncle View Post
    So, swing weight - is the method described here correct for approximating it? https://www.tutelman.com/golf/design/swingwt4.php

    And if so, would a driver swing weight of ~C6 and a 3 wood swing weight of ~D1 be considered unusual/too far apart? Total weight of 3w is ~20 grams more than driver, almost all of that from the head weight.
    If you want to kill a week, nod off to sleep, get Daves started on MOI matching...

    Long story short though, I have taken a lot of his experiments on board, and have found that "lazy MOI matching" is the go. Basically, as clubs get longer, you make their swingweight a bit lighter. In irons I target 0.3pts per club. In woods about 1-1.3pts.

    For me, I play driver at D1-D1.5 4w at D2-D3. Feels good to me, but you've seen me play so take it all with a grain of salt.

    I'd leave the one you like the most alone, then modify the other to be 1-1.5pts away from it as an experiment to start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobsYourUncle View Post
    So, swing weight - is the method described here correct for approximating it? https://www.tutelman.com/golf/design/swingwt4.php
    Anything that Tutelman says is correct. I do my own swingweighting at home, by doing my own measurements, and then use the calculayor on Hireko golf website. Using scales with grams to 2 decimal points, a quality ruler means results should be as accurate as scales
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    Clubmakers tip of the day. When your mate buys a 5L can of grip glue, and offers you 1L for $20, dont put it into a plastic container.

    Now i know the reason it is sold in a steel can.

    anyone want to buy a nice circle of hardened resin thats 5mm thick. make a great ornament.
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    My tip, don't use grip glue
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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    Clubmakers tip of the day. When your mate buys a 5L can of grip glue, and offers you 1L for $20, dont put it into a plastic container.Now i know the reason it is sold in a steel can.anyone want to buy a nice circle of hardened resin thats 5mm thick. make a great ornament.
    Awesome

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    I had a little bit of a read through the forum and the interwebs around spining or pureing. From what I can tell, paying for SST Pure at $75 per iron doesn't seem worth it. Any updated thoughts on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    I had a little bit of a read through the forum and the interwebs around spining or pureing. From what I can tell, paying for SST Pure at $75 per iron doesn't seem worth it. Any updated thoughts on this?
    Russ Ryden runs www.golfshaftreviews.info and he posted this review of the radial properties of shafts in 2011.

    https://www.golfshaftreviews.info/te...f-golf-shafts/

    With current manufacturing practices golf shaft spine no longer exists in premium shafts. The only benefit to alignment is the profit made by those selling the service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pt73 View Post
    Russ Ryden runs www.golfshaftreviews.info and he posted this review of the radial properties of shafts in 2011.

    https://www.golfshaftreviews.info/te...f-golf-shafts/

    With current manufacturing practices golf shaft spine no longer exists in premium shafts. The only benefit to alignment is the profit made by those selling the service.
    I had come across articles like that, but there were also others that said that while it didn't make a major difference and it that couldn't be felt, it did make a difference to length and accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pt73 View Post

    With current manufacturing practices golf shaft spine no longer exists in premium shafts. The only benefit to alignment is the profit made by those selling the service.
    This is my understanding too. Current shaft manufacturing is significantly more sophisticated that in years gone by. The bias and indeed identification of the spine is less relevant.

    Couple this with the debate around if the spine is found, where would it be oriented relative to the head of the club.

    Puring is different to spinning and requires a specific device is my understanding.

    I can spine shafts, but I can't PURE a shaft
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    I guess my comment was more around pureing then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    I guess my comment was more around pureing then.
    In my humble opinion Andy, I think advancement in shaft manufacturing for both steel and graphite, renders Puring, Floing and Spining unnecessary

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    Quote Originally Posted by chappy1970 View Post
    In my humble opinion Andy, I think advancement in shaft manufacturing for both steel and graphite, renders Puring, Floing and Spining unnecessary
    Thanks chappy. A pretty educated opinion though. I came across your posts from 10 years on some U.S. equipment forum talking about spining and the alignment.

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    Just my 2c here…

    When I was at GolfSmith HQ in Texas year ago, I had my driver with me which I’d FLO’d (flat line oscillation). During some spare time, I had a chance to mark the shaft when I had FLO’d it, remove the head/grip and test the shaft using their PURE machine. The build manager was surprised to see the two marks (FLO and PURE) were within a couple of degree of each other.

    Working with exceptional ball strikers and doing blind (well, as close as possible) testing, some noticed a more repeatable feel with FLO, other had a more repeatable face contact, some didn’t notice anything.

    Would I pay $55/club or whatever the Pure fee is with modern shafts? No. I FLO clubs without an extra charge for my customers. It not going to hurt and if you’re getting a new build done, why not?


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    Quote Originally Posted by AD23 View Post
    Just my 2c here…

    When I was at GolfSmith HQ in Texas year ago, I had my driver with me which I’d FLO’d (flat line oscillation). During some spare time, I had a chance to mark the shaft when I had FLO’d it, remove the head/grip and test the shaft using their PURE machine. The build manager was surprised to see the two marks (FLO and PURE) were within a couple of degree of each other.

    Working with exceptional ball strikers and doing blind (well, as close as possible) testing, some noticed a more repeatable feel with FLO, other had a more repeatable face contact, some didn’t notice anything.

    Would I pay $55/club or whatever the Pure fee is with modern shafts? No. I FLO clubs without an extra charge for my customers. It not going to hurt and if you’re getting a new build done, why not?


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    The biggest reason for "why not" is having your shaft logos wonky and all over the place.

    Unnacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benno_r View Post
    The biggest reason for "why not" is having your shaft logos wonky and all over the place.
    Mine are all over the place, and I dont even notice. Yet if i find out my club is 1 gram undeweight I am a headcase.
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    Since I've already bumped the thread, I'll ask another question.

    My fitting recommended 0.5" over standard length. If I buy 4-SW shafts "off the shelf", do they already have extra length? Or would I have to get 3-PW instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    Since I've already bumped the thread, I'll ask another question.

    My fitting recommended 0.5" over standard length. If I buy 4-SW shafts "off the shelf", do they already have extra length? Or would I have to get 3-PW instead?
    If they are raw Andy, there will be sufficient length for .5 over

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    Quote Originally Posted by chappy1970 View Post
    If they are raw Andy, there will be sufficient length for .5 over
    Thanks. I thought so, but didn't know so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    Since I've already bumped the thread, I'll ask another question.

    My fitting recommended 0.5" over standard length. If I buy 4-SW shafts "off the shelf", do they already have extra length? Or would I have to get 3-PW instead?
    Don’t measure them, you’ll never know either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Puttpete View Post
    Don’t measure them, you’ll never know either way.
    They need to sit in the bag properly in ascending heights or else it looks silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    They need to sit in the bag properly in ascending heights or else it looks silly.
    They’ll do that off the shelf, you’re good to go.

    Did your fitter tell you what standard length is?


 

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