One for the rules gurus.

[Ned]

Why this line of questioning? If I didn't run the event or play in it does that mean I can't make comment?

Clariiying.

Where did I say you couldnt comment ?

So you didnt take part in the running of the event,

You didnt play in the event,

When did you find out about it and where ?

[mike]

Initial reactions to this confusing scenario might be;
(a) your ball on the fairway is in play and you have incurred a two stroke penalty for playing a wrong ball from the hazard.
(b) As you declared your ball lost "in the hazard" the new ball you put into play under one penalty remains the ball in play, but you are penalised further for playing a ball from the wrong place, and have to rectify that, but how.

Neither.
As there was reasonable evidence that your ball was in the hazard, the ball you dropped under one penalty stroke becomes the ball in play regardless of the fact that the original was later found. Its a case of stiff bikkies, because once you put the new ball in play there is no turning back. There is no subsequent penalty for playing from a wrong place.

A perfect example of the rules of golf being sensible.

Thanks. I was confused. Then I wasn't, then I was confused again.

[mike]

Clariiying.

Where did I say you couldnt comment ?

So you didnt take part in the running of the event,

You didnt play in the event,

When did you find out about it and where ?

Why ask this? You know very well where I heard it.

[MegaWatty]

Blakey's post is the easiest to understand.

[Johnny Canuck]

Mike and Ned's should be in a WA thread.

[markTHEblake]

Blakey's post is the easiest to understand.

thats why I took so long to write it, you gotta go the extra mile for mikey.

[MegaWatty]

And me.

It's easier to read it in the thread than an external page.

You done well.

[markTHEblake]

its annoying that you cant copy/paste from Randa.org though, I suspect that is because if the rule changes the prefer people go to the source rather than copies. Still they do not even seem to make it easy to link a URL

[Minor_Threat]

its annoying that you cant copy/paste from Randa.org though, I suspect that is because if the rule changes the prefer people go to the source rather than copies. Still they do not even seem to make it easy to link a URL

I copy and pasted the text from 27-2 earlier tonight in this thread?

[mike]

mike. are we talking about steeley bloke again?

Who?

you know who, they guy i fingered as the cheat in one of the opens there, when you gave me 10 mins and i took 11, even though i only started after 5 mins.

Just so people know what we're talking about read this thread. Read posts #43 thru #62.

Nothing gets past blake.

[markTHEblake]

Nothing gets past blake.

except so it seems the ability to copy and paste from randa.org

Limitation of Firefox+Flash/Operating system (Ubuntu) I expect, so I shall let myself off this time.

[PeteyD]

I've assumed that the ball has hit the flag while it was being held, which it must have since the flag is in the hole and the ball went in. This is a penalty.

They built Forum Runner on rock and roll

Didn't realise the ball hit the pin. That is the penalty. Ball going into hole with tended flag, is a penalty, as the ball hits thd pin.

[TheNuclearOne]

Heard a great one today, this rule has supposedly been changed in recent history.

If your ball is sitting resting against a stick (on a hardpan side slope as it so happened) the mate said you can now mark behind it, move the stick and if your ball moves you simply replace it for no penalty. I was extremely dubious and quite concerned as this pair were on +11 in a 4ball scratch with 3 to play. Unbelievably the ball did not move when the stick was picked up and either way things worked out by the book and another + was gained as they powered to +13 which will surely win the day.

Can anybody verify this new take? I am still extremely dubious but totally in the dark.

[MegaWatty]

+1 dubious. I say no way!

[Dotty]

Sounds like he has forgotten the 'On the putting green' qualifier in both Rules 23-1 (Loose Impediments - Relief) and 18-2a (Ball at rest moved - By player, etc.)

It has all the credibility of Hopoate's Rugby League brainwave a few years ago.

[TheNuclearOne]

The mate is reknowned for rooting rules up. Thank christ the ball didn't move. The younger lad took his word for it but myself and his dad were standing 5 meters away saying noway. The mate still thinks he can break branches off and pats down the rough with the FW behind the ball setting up.

[markTHEblake]

that is not even one for the rules gurus I am afraid.

[Bruce]

A rules novice should be able to handle that one.

There's nothing there even remotely difficult to get right.

[Daves]

Did he keep a straight face whilst he told you the "rule" TNO?

[markTHEblake]

Here is an case for discussion for the same rule

I Played in a pro-am with my old boss (in civilian life) who is now a pro. He had an impeccable career as an amateur, played for QLD for over 10 years, and became a mature age professional in his late 30's, thus on all accounts I'd always concede to his wisdom on anything golf. (thats a key point for this incident)

We wandered into the sticks to look for our respective balls, we saw mine first covered by a huge fallen branch. It was going to be impossible to move without moving the ball and equally impossible to hit it. My initial reaction was I would need to take an unplayable lie to improve my line.

Before I had a chance to do or say anything, as he was walking well ahead of me, he picks up said branch tosses it to the side and puts my ball back where it was. I said something like "hey" and he just says something like that I cant do that, but he can, so I shrugged my shoulders and played the ball as it lies.

Does anyone think that any particular ruling here is relevant, or is it just the 'rub of the green'. By definition he is an outside agency, and I did not ask him to do that, nor could I have prevented it.

[Sydney Hacker]

Has to be something more then rub of the green surely???

I played a couple of weeks ago and left a putt 2 inches short on the first hole, one of my group tapped it in.

Going on the above could I have claimed it as a birdie since it was an outside agency who I didn't ask to touch my ball ?

For the record I asked him to replace it so I could putt out.

[markTHEblake]

Going on the above could I have claimed it as a birdie since it was an outside agency who I didn't ask to touch my ball ?

No you couldnt claim that going on the above.

[rubin]

wouldn't you have to re-create the lie blakey?

[markTHEblake]

anyone remember where we discussed whether Smartphones were conforming devices to be used as DMD's
am pretty sure it was an off-topic one.

[rubin]

i believe its on pg 6 of this same thread