One for the rules gurus.

[mike]

I think you're right Mike and there is even a decision to support that view.

33-1/13 Competitor Disqualified from Handicap Event Claims Gross Prize
Q. In a stroke-play event, a competitor played off a higher handicap than that to which he was entitled. Although the event was primarily a handicap one, there was also a gross prize, and the competitor concerned had the lowest gross score.
The competitor was disqualified from the handicap competition under Rule 6-2b, but he claimed the gross prize. Should he receive the gross prize?
A. Yes.

Kapow !!

[TheNuclearOne]

Whoops. I read it as "holding a stick" thinking he was holding a branch with one hand while he swung with the other.

I believe this was altered a while back to allow a player to do so, but like you i know little lol

[Ned]

I don't understand the relevance of this question. Of course I wasn't running the event.

You played the event ?

[markTHEblake]

Who?

you know who, they guy i fingered as the cheat in one of the opens there, when you gave me 10 mins and i took 11, even though i only started after 5 mins.

[AndyP]

Quick one

If a guy holds the stick straight as it's leaning prior and a player holes out from off the green with the stick still being held it's a penalty right?

Not necessarily. It depends on whether the player authorized the attending of the flag.

You can assume that he did unless the guy appeared out of nowhere. In that case, there is a penalty.

See rule 17-3.

They built Forum Runner on rock and roll

[haysey]

you know who, they guy i fingered as the cheat in one of the opens there, when you gave me 10 mins and i took 11, even though i only started after 5 mins.

Mareeba open. Half moon bay member. (allegedly)

[PeteyD]

No penalty for tending the flag. Pretty sure you can have it tended from wherever, now, although most people still think it is only when you are on the green. Might need s bit more of an explanation as to leaning etc.

[AndyP]

No penalty for tending the flag. Pretty sure you can have it tended from wherever, now, although most people still think it is only when you are on the green. Might need s bit more of an explanation as to leaning etc.

I've assumed that the ball has hit the flag while it was being held, which it must have since the flag is in the hole and the ball went in. This is a penalty.

They built Forum Runner on rock and roll

[Bruce]

A tended flag MUST be removed.

Andy is correct on rule 17-3. 2 shot penalty or loss of hole.

[mike]

you know who, they guy i fingered as the cheat in one of the opens there, when you gave me 10 mins and i took 11, even though i only started after 5 mins.

I remember now. No it wasn't him. I don't think he's shown his face here since.

[Firey]

No penalty for tending the flag. Pretty sure you can have it tended from wherever, now, although most people still think it is only when you are on the green. Might need s bit more of an explanation as to leaning etc.

The rule is fairly plain on this one.

Rule 17-1 : Before making a stroke from anywhere on the course, the player may have the flagstick attended, removed or held up to indicate the position of the hole.

The words "held up" encompass situations whereby a leaning flagstick is straightened.

Also interesting to note that Decision 17-1/4.5 covers a situation where a flagstick is not only held upright behind the hole, but the end of the flagstick is touching the ground. Whilst it is allowed under the rules it not a recommended practice.

[mike]

Were you running this event mike ?

No. I thought you were.

You played the event ?

No. Why this line of questioning? If I didn't run the event or play in it does that mean I can't make comment?

[mike]

Here's one.

3rd hole at Mareeba has a water carry on the dogleg. Playing a practice round last Friday I went to clear it from the tee, clipped a branch and saw a splash.
I took a drop and played my shot. As I was walking to the green I found my ball on the fairway.
The splash must have been a branch.

By taking the drop and playing my third does that mean I've declared my tee shot lost?

[haysey]

By taking the drop and playing my third does that mean I've declared my tee shot lost?

I'll play. Yes. Did I win?

[Minor_Threat]

Here's one.

3rd hole at Mareeba has a water carry on the dogleg. Playing a practice round last Friday I went to clear it from the tee, clipped a branch and saw a splash.
I took a drop and played my shot. As I was walking to the green I found my ball on the fairway.
The splash must have been a branch.

By taking the drop and playing my third does that mean I've declared my tee shot lost?

Did you call it a provisional?

[Johnny Canuck]

Did you drop at the original spot?

Did you find the original within 5 minutes of "looking".

[mike]

I'll play. Yes. Did I win?

I don't know. That's why I'm asking you guys.

Did you call it a provisional?

Was playing on my own. I'm just wondering what would happen if it was in a comp. I took a drop near the hazard. I had no idea my ball traveled as far as it did.

[mike]

Did you drop at the original spot?

No. I dropped near the water.

Did you find the original within 5 minutes of "looking".

I didn't bother looking. I thought it was in the water. fwiw I did find it well within 5 minutes.

[Johnny Canuck]

You can't hit a provisional if it is known or virtually certain that you are in a water hazard.

Mike, here's your ruling:

http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules...ion-26/#26-1/3

26-1/3

[Minor_Threat]

As suspected it wouldn't matter if you called it a provisional because you thought it was lost in a water hazard. Rule 27-2 states a provisional can only be played when a ball might be lost "outside" a water hazard.

a. Procedure
If a ball may be lost outside a water hazard or may be out of bounds, to save time the player may play another ball provisionally in accordance with Rule 27-1 . The player must inform his opponent in match play or his marker or a fellow-competitor in stroke play that he intends to play a provisional ball, and he must play it before he or his partner goes forward to search for the original ball.
If he fails to do so and plays another ball, that ball is not a provisional ball and becomes the ball in play under penalty of stroke and distance (Rule 27-1); the original ball is lost.
(Order of play from teeing ground – see Rule 10-3)

*Edit* JC beat me to it.

[Ferrins]

Last Saturday I hit my tee shot on the 8th at Tenterfield and the after a good search was found 365metres from the tee. There was a fair bit of discussion about the carry and whether somebody from another group had moved it. In the end, I just played it.

Is this a grey area or is it just play as it lies?

[mike]

Far out. How do you guys find these rules so quick?

[Minor_Threat]

Far out. How do you guys find these rules so quick?

A bookmark to R&A "Rules Explorer" --> http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Am...f.aspx#/rules/

[TheNuclearOne]

A tended flag MUST be removed.

Andy is correct on rule 17-3. 2 shot penalty or loss of hole.

Cheers guys.

[markTHEblake]

By taking the drop and playing my third does that mean I've declared my tee shot lost?

Initial reactions to this confusing scenario might be;
(a) your ball on the fairway is in play and you have incurred a two stroke penalty for playing a wrong ball from the hazard.
(b) As you declared your ball lost "in the hazard" the new ball you put into play under one penalty remains the ball in play, but you are penalised further for playing a ball from the wrong place, and have to rectify that, but how.

Neither.
As there was reasonable evidence that your ball was in the hazard, the ball you dropped under one penalty stroke becomes the ball in play regardless of the fact that the original was later found. Its a case of stiff bikkies, because once you put the new ball in play there is no turning back. There is no subsequent penalty for playing from a wrong place.

A perfect example of the rules of golf being sensible.