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25th March 2014 12:17 AM
#1326
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Originally Posted by
Ashes
What do you do if you don't if it's lost or in the hazard?
I am going to look that up.
I believe if not virtually certain, you treat as lost.
The group can still conclude that they believe it went in the water after the fact.
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25th March 2014 12:21 AM
#1327
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Originally Posted by
highballin
Makes me wonder though what would happen if you were playing with d*ckheads who insisted your ball was virtually certain to be in the hazard. Who has the last say about "virtually certain" ? I am talking about stroke play here.
The d*heads you are playing with have absolutely no say at all. They can protest all they like at the time, but it makes no difference because none of them are a referee. If they want to disagree with the player they will need to report it to the match committee.
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25th March 2014 12:31 AM
#1328
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Nationwide Tour)
Originally Posted by
Ashes
What do you do if you don't if it's lost or in the hazard?
It has to be in the hazard or virtually certain to be in the hazard to proceed under that rule, otherwise it is lost.
You're in big trouble though, pal. I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!
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25th March 2014 12:34 AM
#1329
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Nationwide Tour)
27-2a/2.5
Player Plays Provisional Ball in Belief Original Might Be Lost Outside Water Hazard Then Discovers There Is No Possibility of Its Being Lost Outside Water Hazard
Q.A player's tee shot is struck towards an area of trees, bushes and tall grass. Believing his ball might be lost outside a water hazard, the player announces his intention to play a provisional ball and plays a ball from the tee. When he arrives at the area, he finds that the area in question is wetlands that has been defined as a lateral water hazard and that it is known or virtually certain that his ball is in it. What is the ruling?
A.As the player played the second ball from the tee in the belief that his original ball might be lost outside a water hazard, that ball was a provisional ball. The subsequent discovery that the area in question is in fact a lateral water hazard is irrelevant. Therefore, the player must abandon the provisional ball and proceed under Rule 26-1 – see Rule 27-2c.
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25th March 2014 06:56 AM
#1330
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Nationwide Tour)
Originally Posted by
Johnny Canuck
No onus. He can call it lost, but if it is found within the 5 min and before another shot is played from a point past where the ball was believed to be lost, it must be played.
In situation the was referenced earlier, if it was unsure if the ball was in the hazard or lost, you couldn't simply call it a lost ball and play the provisional if there was a chance that it is in the hazard. A ball in the hazard cannot be treated as a lost ball.
I hope that makes sense.
Yep that makes sense.
But if the player is the one who has to be virtually certain ball was in hazard and he is not. Then wouldn't he be within his rights to walk to the prov ball and say tap it in if it was next to pin before anyone had a chance to look for original ball ?
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25th March 2014 08:51 AM
#1331
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
highballin
Yep that makes sense.
But if the player is the one who has to be virtually certain ball was in hazard and he is not. Then wouldn't he be within his rights to walk to the prov ball and say tap it in if it was next to pin before anyone had a chance to look for original ball ?
Yes, and we have this situation at our club, where 1, 9, 10 and 18 go over a gully/creek with markings for a lateral water hazard. (In matchplay, it was common for the opponent to have an eagle-eye, whilst crossing the high bridges.)
We now use the specimen local rule (Appendix 1, Part B (page 123 of the RoG handbook) on these four holes.
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25th March 2014 09:05 AM
#1332
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Nationwide Tour)
Curious on a ruling.. We have a par 4 which is reachable by hitting over a bunch of trees after first crossing water to make a shortcut, at these trees there is a blue stake put up , anything left of this means red hazard( re tee is the only real option) anything right is part of the drop zone placed over the water at the start of the tree's ( which is also the ladies tee). What is the ruling if the blue stake is hit and the ball finishes to the left ( red hazard ). I would assume that the ball has finished in red hazard and play it accordingly. But the guy playing with me at the time insisted because he had hit the marker he can claim he would of finished in the drop zone area of play. This was quite awhile ago and I cant remember all the details but the same thing happened again 2 weeks ago and it was played the way I originally thought so curious to see who was right. Like I said more than certain that you play where it ended but is there a rule in place for hitting markers.
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25th March 2014 09:17 AM
#1333
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Waddzy
Curious on a ruling.. We have a par 4 which is reachable by hitting over a bunch of trees after first crossing water to make a shortcut, at these trees there is a blue stake put up , anything left of this means red hazard( re tee is the only real option) anything right is part of the drop zone placed over the water at the start of the tree's ( which is also the ladies tee). What is the ruling if the blue stake is hit and the ball finishes to the left ( red hazard ). I would assume that the ball has finished in red hazard and play it accordingly. But the guy playing with me at the time insisted because he had hit the marker he can claim he would of finished in the drop zone area of play. This was quite awhile ago and I cant remember all the details but the same thing happened again 2 weeks ago and it was played the way I originally thought so curious to see who was right. Like I said more than certain that you play where it ended but is there a rule in place for hitting markers.
Tell him to read the Definition section of the RoG.
Stakes defining a water hazards are in the water hazard.
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25th March 2014 09:21 AM
#1334
Senior Member
Multiple Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Waddzy
Curious on a ruling.. We have a par 4 which is reachable by hitting over a bunch of trees after first crossing water to make a shortcut, at these trees there is a blue stake put up , anything left of this means red hazard( re tee is the only real option) anything right is part of the drop zone placed over the water at the start of the tree's ( which is also the ladies tee). What is the ruling if the blue stake is hit and the ball finishes to the left ( red hazard ). I would assume that the ball has finished in red hazard and play it accordingly. But the guy playing with me at the time insisted because he had hit the marker he can claim he would of finished in the drop zone area of play. This was quite awhile ago and I cant remember all the details but the same thing happened again 2 weeks ago and it was played the way I originally thought so curious to see who was right. Like I said more than certain that you play where it ended but is there a rule in place for hitting markers.
It only matters were the ball finishes, not where it traveled to get there. The only exception would be if there was a local rule specific to hitting the marker (unlikely), as there sometimes is for powerlines and the like.
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25th March 2014 09:32 AM
#1335
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Nationwide Tour)
Originally Posted by
Daves
It only matters were the ball finishes, not where it traveled to get there. The only exception would be if there was a local rule specific to hitting the marker (unlikely), as there sometimes is for powerlines and the like.
No worries I thought the same , I might check if there is a local rule but like you said highly unlikely. Powerline ruling would be interesting to see
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25th March 2014 09:39 AM
#1336
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Waddzy
No worries I thought the same , I might check if there is a local rule but like you said highly unlikely. Powerline ruling would be interesting to see
I started playing on the south coast, when Moruya golf course was partially in the middle of the horse racing track.
I think, if a ball hit the running rail, then it was compulsory re-hit (no penalty).
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25th March 2014 09:56 AM
#1337
Senior Member
Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Dotty
I started playing on the south coast, when Moruya golf course was partially in the middle of the horse racing track.
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25th March 2014 10:01 AM
#1338
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Multiple Major Winner
Originally Posted by
Waddzy
No worries I thought the same , I might check if there is a local rule but like you said highly unlikely. Powerline ruling would be interesting to see
The Powerline local rule is quite common. Off the top of the head, Nudgee, Mt Warren Park and Wantima have it, and I sure there are plenty of others (Helensvale included I suspect). Usually requires a compulsory reload.
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25th March 2014 10:37 AM
#1339
Senior Member
Touring Pro (Nationwide Tour)
I played at The Dunes Port Hughes at Xmas beautiful 9 hole (that's another story) course.
Blow me down there is a stoby pole (sa telegraph pole) in front midde
of tee about 40m. Reload if you hit. I aim for it thinking no chance if I aim at it.missed it by a bees d*ck.
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25th March 2014 10:39 AM
#1340
Senior Member
Major Winner
We can cover most bases in this district. My home club has the powerline rule off the first tee (compulsory re-play), Penshurst has the course built inside a racetrack so anything hitting the running rails, jumps etc is compulsory re-play, and Merino has fences around the greens to keep the sheep off them, so anything hitting those fences is also compulsory re-play.
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25th March 2014 01:32 PM
#1341
Senior Member
Touring Pro (PGA)
My first (and only) game at Riverlakes started like that with a shotgun start we were off 17 or something. My tee shot hit the powerlines and kicked sideways into the piss. Sure I play again - but do I get a ball credit?
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25th March 2014 01:49 PM
#1342
Member
Touring Pro (Aust PGA)
Originally Posted by
Waddzy
Curious on a ruling.. We have a par 4 which is reachable by hitting over a bunch of trees after first crossing water to make a shortcut, at these trees there is a blue stake put up , anything left of this means red hazard( re tee is the only real option) anything right is part of the drop zone placed over the water at the start of the tree's ( which is also the ladies tee). What is the ruling if the blue stake is hit and the ball finishes to the left ( red hazard ). I would assume that the ball has finished in red hazard and play it accordingly. But the guy playing with me at the time insisted because he had hit the marker he can claim he would of finished in the drop zone area of play. This was quite awhile ago and I cant remember all the details but the same thing happened again 2 weeks ago and it was played the way I originally thought so curious to see who was right. Like I said more than certain that you play where it ended but is there a rule in place for hitting markers.
This is on 14 isn't it?
That whole hazard area is confusingly marked to me. I was actually under the impression that anything left of the blue stake was drop zone and anything right was red hazard??
If you're right of the blue stake and you've hit it well you'll generally be safe anyway.
I usually spray it way right anyway.
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25th March 2014 08:58 PM
#1343
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
As the stake is in the hazard it means the ball was in the hazard before it hit the stake.
Carry on.
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11th April 2014 01:42 PM
#1344
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
A par 4 has a water hazard [a long narrow rock garden used for run off water ]near the front of the green. It is only marked with yellow paint on the ground around the hazard. Continual rain has washed away the line marking so that none of it can be seen. Local rules give players a card length preferred lie. Players ball is just in 'hazard' and takes preferred lie in line with local rules - this relief takes him from the rocks onto the fairway behind. Thoughts?
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11th April 2014 02:47 PM
#1345
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
As I understand, you can't take preferred lies in a hazard. Period.
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11th April 2014 07:21 PM
#1346
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
Originally Posted by
Courty
As I understand, you can't take preferred lies in a hazard. Period.
I understand that but was interested if a hazard is only defined by lines and/or stakes - if there are none and there is no water is it a water hazard?
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11th April 2014 08:13 PM
#1347
Member
Touring Pro (Aust PGA)
Originally Posted by
damoocow
I understand that but was interested if a hazard is only defined by lines and/or stakes - if there are none and there is no water is it a water hazard?
Even if there is no water it is still a hazard. I'm pretty sure it's the committee's responsibility to accurately mark the hazards, but I'm not sure what happens if they don't (or if the did but the weather washed away the markings).
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11th April 2014 08:16 PM
#1348
Member
Touring Pro (Aust PGA)
Water hazard definition:
A"water hazard" is any sea, lake, pond, river, ditch, surface drainage ditch or other open water course (whether or not containing water) and anything of a similar nature on the course. All ground and water within the margin of a water hazard are part of the water hazard.
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11th April 2014 08:22 PM
#1349
Senior Member
Golf Hall of Fame Inductee
Damo, the natural margin of the water hazard is the margin. If that makes sense. It doesn't need to have water in it. In the opposite situation, if the water hazard overflows, the hazard does not become bigger, the overflow is casual water.
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12th April 2014 03:42 PM
#1350
Senior Member
Touring Pro (European Tour)
Thanks Gents - wasn't my ball but good to know that water hazards don't need to be marked.
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