One for the rules gurus.

[damoocow]

Originally Posted by andigold

in the conditions of a competition the committee may allow practice on the course on any day of a stroke play competition, are you sure they haven't done so in this case?

I did look but it's not mentioned in the Match By Laws.

Update on this - this golfer has now been observed doing exactly the same thing the last two weeks also - so no change in his behaviour - each time the matter has been passed on to staff in the pro shop but golfer has not been DQ'd even though practicing the same hole he would have played in the comp.

[backintheswing]

The staff in the pro-shop wouldn't give a rats. The match committee i.e captain, is the person to tell.

[mike]

The match committee i.e captain, is the person to tell.

this.

[damoocow]

The staff in the pro-shop wouldn't give a rats. The match committee i.e captain, is the person to tell.

I assumed/was told it would be passed on and dealt with. What do you do if the Captain isn't around and you want it dealt with before scores are finalised?

[markTHEblake]

Whoever is finalising the scores is the match committee and is the right person/persons to tell.

[rqrox]

There is a fairway that has a preferred lie and has a few places that have a staked GUR with designated drop zones. If you hit into the GUR and take your drop within the designated drop zone and it happens to fall in a repaired pitch mark i.e. sand filled pitch, being that the fairway has preferred lies are you entitled to take your preferred lie?

[markTHEblake]

After You have taken releif you are either In the fairway or you are not. End of story. It matters nothing where the ball as beforehand.

[dc68]

Unless the whole fairway is deemed preferred lie.... Prefer away.

[damoocow]

Whoever is finalising the scores is the match committee and is the right person/persons to tell.

That is what I did - will need to investigate further....

[damoocow]

''Originally Posted by markTHEblake

Whoever is finalising the scores is the match committee and is the right person/persons to tell.''



That is what I did - will need to investigate further....



Asked about this today and was told that the matter is under review by the match committee - this is now 8 days after the rule infringement!

[mrbluu]

There is a fairway that has a preferred lie and has a few places that have a staked GUR with designated drop zones. If you hit into the GUR and take your drop within the designated drop zone and it happens to fall in a repaired pitch mark i.e. sand filled pitch, being that the fairway has preferred lies are you entitled to take your preferred lie?

If you take a drop from GUR and you drop it onto a fairway with preferred lie, then you are entitled to mark the ball and prefer lie it!!

[haysey]

I wonder can I get the Ozgolf committee to rule on this one?

Hi Richard,

I wonder if you could help settle a discussion I've been having over a rules interpretation that was provided by one of the club's pros over the weekend...

Scenario is as follows:

A player in my group hit his second shot on the 12th onto a patch of crusher dust beside the cart path and asked for relief under GUR. While I agreed that it was probably GUR the area certainly wasn't marked as such and I wasn't entirely happy giving him free relief.

After some discussion I suggested he play 2 balls. Which he agreed to, nominating the free drop ball as the ball he wished to count for his score if he was able. He then proceeded to make 6 with this ball, and 4 with the ball played from the crusher dust.

After our 9th hole he went to see the pro who told him that the area was actually GUR. But then told him he could take the 4 (I believe as he could choose to play off the GUR if he wanted).

My concern is that as the player had chosen his second ball as the ball that should count (I:E the one taking relief from the GUR) that ball should have been the one which counted and he should have scored a 6.

I followed up with the pro yesterday and he still believes he gave the right ruling. He suggested I follow up with you to confirm.

Now I'm a little confused as I believe under rule 3-3B that the player should have taken a 6 and I'd appreciate your view on which interpretation is the correct one. The player in question didn't trouble the scorer. I'm just genuinely curious who's actually right.

If you need any further information please give me a call on xxxxxxxxxxxx.

Regards

Tim Hayes

[LeftyHoges]

I wonder can I get the Ozgolf committee to rule on this one?

I'm with you on this one, Haysey.

[Steve57]

He asked for relief at the beginning with no intention of having to play off the crusher dust. He then nominated the drop from GUR ball as the one that he wanted to count. It turned out that it was GUR so that ball counts. Only if the area was NOT deemed to be GUR could he use the original ball. The Pro was wrong!

[Courty]

FWIW, it was me. The crusher dust was near the path, but not clearly a part of it, and wasn't marked as GUR. This is what caused the following confusion. If we'd known hat it was definitely GUR (which we had differing opinions on), then I would have taken relief and played on. I'd never been in a situation before where playing 2 balls was required, so wasn't fully aware of exactly how it works, hence seeking advice from the head pro (in the absence of soneone from the match committee) before completing the card.

Furthermore, I would have consulted the rulebook at the time, however the marshall was hovering about so we continued on to avoid delaying play any further.

[PeteyD]

b. Determination of Score for Hole
(i) If the ball that the competitor selected in advance to count has been played in accordance with the Rules, the score with that ball is the competitor’s score for the hole. Otherwise, the score with the other ball counts if the Rules allow the procedure adopted for that ball.
(ii) If the competitor fails to announce in advance his decision to complete the hole with two balls, or which ball he wishes to count, the score with the original ball counts, provided it has been played in accordance with the Rules. If the original ball is not one of the balls being played, the first ball put into play counts, provided it has been played in accordance with the Rules. Otherwise, the score with the other ball counts if the Rules allow the procedure adopted for that ball.

[PeteyD]

Seems Haysey is right, the second ball should count as it was called the one you wanted to use.

[Courty]

Seems Haysey is right, the second ball should count as it was called the one you wanted to use.

Yeah, we'd kinda figured that later on. Part (ii) doesn't apply as I had chosen a ball (as per Haysey's advice at the time), but no one was 100% clear that we were going about it correctly, hence asking the pro.

[damoocow]

As I understand it there is no compulsion to nominate which ball you want to count - you simply play 2 balls and get the ruling.

[PeteyD]

Yea you don't have to, but if you do you have to use that one if it is legit. If you don't you have to use the first played one if it is legit.

[damoocow]

So Haysey is the villain for giving Courty bad advice?!!!

[PeteyD]

Never trust an oversized chicken.

[haysey]

So Haysey is the villain for giving Courty bad advice?!!!

As I understand it there is no compulsion to nominate which ball you want to count - you simply play 2 balls and get the ruling.

Yea you don't have to, but if you do you have to use that one if it is legit. If you don't you have to use the first played one if it is legit.

Never trust an oversized chicken.

I dunno, as much as I'd like to say I was just messing with Courty's head.... I read this as though you have to nominate which ball you want to count?

a. Procedure
In stroke play, if a competitor is doubtful of his rights or the correct procedure during the play of a hole, he may, without penalty, complete the hole with two balls.
After the doubtful situation has arisen and before taking further action, the competitor must announce to his marker or fellow-competitor that he intends to play two balls and which ball he wishes to count if the Rules permit.

[Hatchman]

Isn't G.U.R a must drop from spot?

If that's the case the ball that counts for the score is determined by is it G.U.R or not?

[Steve57]

Isn't G.U.R a must drop from spot?

If that's the case the ball that counts for the score is determined by is it G.U.R or not?

It depends on the wording of the local rule governing GUR.
If the local rule says MUST be dropped then you have no choice, if it says MAY be dropped, it is then at the players discretion.