One for the rules gurus.

[rubin]

Pretty sure I know the answer to this one, but just want to make sure:

On the first at Rocko there is some heavy bush on the left hand side starting level with the tees and running down about 100m ro so, guarding the Practice fairway.

Local rule is if the ball is put into the scrub and found then it is nearest point of relief no closer to the hole with no penalty. If not found, then 1 club length from point of entry.

Anyway, on saturday one of the blokes in my group puts his ball in there, had a quick look and couldn't find it, so tee'd off again from the tee box and said it was 2 off the tee (i.e no penalty stroke). I wasnt marking his card, and to be honest I was still waking up, so what he did and said didn't really register until about halfway down the 4th fairway. My thoughts are that if he played the second off the tee, he would incur at least a 1 stroke penalty as he has not played the ball from the correct drop zone. Would this be correct?

There were a few other rules issues with this guy, both in previous rounds that I've played with him, and the round on saturday, and I made my concerns known to the guys in the pro-shop, is there anything else that could be done?

[Daves]

He could have declared it unplayable, but that incurs a 1 shot penalty, so 3 off the tee.

[Johnny Canuck]

3 off the tee for him. Can you declare unplayable if you can't find it? Lost ball in an area the gives free relief? Strange.

[Yossarian]

I wish a course would make that local rule for every shit shot I hit!

[Daves]

3 off the tee for him. Can you declare unplayable if you can't find it? Lost ball in an area the gives free relief? Strange.

Yep, see decision 28/1, but only for a reload from the last spot hit.

I would like to see the local rule wording.

[rubin]

I'll see if i can find it on the site.

[markTHEblake]

It is pretty obvious that they have declared that area GUR, as the two options for relief Rubin described fit. I am not aware of a 3rd option to play again from original spot, but the GUR rule is the place to start looking in the rule book.

[mike]

+1. Couldn't possibly be a cleanskin. You don't get 18 months for being a dickhead once.

pfft.

I know of 3 similar incidents where the perpetrator has got that or even more. All 'cleanskins'.
I actually witnessed another incident that could have turned out just the same had I not intervened.

I agree with Just.

[sms316]

So are you saying that the whole story is what was in the paper?

FYI - I don't have any inside knowledge on this. It sounds very suspect.

[mike]

So are you saying that the whole story is what was in the paper?

The only thing left out was the expletives.

[sms316]

The only thing left out was the expletives.

So old mate did everything required of him and he is just a victim? I have my doubts.

I might ask Des if he knows the full story.

[sms316]

LOL !





http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/10/22/187471_local-sport-news.html

I think I just twigged onto something. Is the PP Captain, Ian Cooke, the same guy who was the Cairns GC General Manager when the shit hit the fan up there? If so, I doubt he has much of a right to be commenting on all things moralistic.

[Dcanto]

Is the PP Captain, Ian Cooke, the same guy who was the Cairns GC General Manager when the shit hit the fan up there?

He certainly is.

[mike]

I might ask Des if he knows the full story.

Excellent idea. Let me know what he says please.

[Daves]

New Rules of Golf for 2012-2015 launched

http://www.randa.org/en/RandA/News/N...s-of-Golf.aspx

[markTHEblake]

Saw that yesterday Daves, those three mentioned are quite interesting ones. I have had the wind move the ball on me at least twice in the last year, That has always been a bitch of penalty.

[Courty]

So old mate did everything required of him and he is just a victim? I have my doubts.<br />
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I might ask Des if he knows the full story.

I'd say he would. It may well be a story of picking sides by association with Cooke.

Des even posted a comment on the page.

[Outcast]

Saw that yesterday Daves, those three mentioned are quite interesting ones. I have had the wind move the ball on me at least twice in the last year, That has always been a bitch of penalty.

I'm intrigued by the smoothing dirt or sand in a hazard but, only when 'caring for the course' - perhaps I'm just dumb but, I can't really see how/where this rule applies and can see it being abused at club level to 'test' the sand in a bunker under the auspices of 'caring for the course'

Any thoughts?

[Daves]

I'm intrigued by the smoothing dirt or sand in a hazard but, only when 'caring for the course' - perhaps I'm just dumb but, I can't really see how/where this rule applies and can see it being abused at club level to 'test' the sand in a bunker under the auspices of 'caring for the course'

Any thoughts?

I did see a more detailed explanation of the thinking behind this somewhere, but basically you end up in a big bunker and the rake is up the other end and not reachable from outside the bunker. You walk up and pick up the rake and to save time rake your steps as you walk back to the ball, no penalty.

[Outcast]

Okay; I do see that but, as stated... watch for this rule being abused at club level

[popper81]

I agree with outcast here..... How else can you explain why 99.9% of all club golfers get out of bunkers on their second attempt. They must just be testing the sand the first time.

In all honesty though, I think a majority of club golfers would not have the game too make raking the bunker, prior to their shot, a real advantage, and for those of you that do, the same info is available when you walk in and bury you feet taking a stance.

[sms316]

Excellent idea. Let me know what he says please.

Nothing groundbreaking. He suggested that a lot of grog may have been involved. No surprises there.

[Daves]

Witnessed an interest situation today. Playing the Shark Challenge at Carbrook and we had just hit onto the first green. The 1st green is a very large double green linked with the 8th green. A player from a group playing the 8th had hit his ball thru well onto the 1st green section (no doubt about that, he was only a metre or so on from the front of the 1st). He had a wedge in his hand and was going to play the ball. I suggested to him that he wasn't allowed to play the shot from there, and had to take compulsory relief off the green. I was told I was wrong as it was a double green, and he proceeded to play his chip shot.

[AndyP]

Would you question him if he was in a questionable area "between" the greens?

[PeteyD]

It is the correct green, so he plays it where it lies. There is no reason not to use a wedge on a green other than irate greenkeepers.