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    That's still correct - no penalty, but can make them play it again if you want to. Which might be worthwhile just to rattle them.

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    I should know this but I don't!

    Hit a shot into our 18th yesterday and it landed on the tier. Green was soft so it imbedded in its own ball mark. Looking at it I was not sure the ball would stay in the correct spot once I repaired the pitch mark and replaced it.

    In the end it did stay, but what is the rule if you can't get it to sit there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toolish View Post
    I should know this but I don't!Hit a shot into our 18th yesterday and it landed on the tier. Green was soft so it imbedded in its own ball mark. Looking at it I was not sure the ball would stay in the correct spot once I repaired the pitch mark and replaced it.In the end it did stay, but what is the rule if you can't get it to sit there?
    Place on nearest point, no closer that it will stay on.

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    New OB rule +2 strokes.

    Bit of confusion on this one at our club. If you hit it OB and use the new +2 rule that allows you to drop back on the fairway. Is the reference point where it first crossed the OB or where in ended up.

    Reading the rule it sounds like it’s your choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdoug10 View Post
    New OB rule +2 strokes.

    Bit of confusion on this one at our club. If you hit it OB and use the new +2 rule that allows you to drop back on the fairway. Is the reference point where it first crossed the OB or where in ended up.

    Reading the rule it sounds like it’s your choice?
    It's where it crossed the OB line (at least that's my understanding). And that rule is a local rule, so make sure the course you're playing actually uses it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdoug10 View Post
    New OB rule +2 strokes.

    Bit of confusion on this one at our club. If you hit it OB and use the new +2 rule that allows you to drop back on the fairway. Is the reference point where it first crossed the OB or where in ended up.

    Reading the rule it sounds like it’s your choice?
    It is only a local rule, so would need to make sure your club has adopted this first.

    The image below explains it, you can basically drop anywhere between point it crossed OB and nearest point of fairway + 2 clubs no closer to hole.






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    Yeah I saw that image but I’m wondering about the dropping where in ends up rather then went OB. Eg straight block right to OB. If you have to drop and where it first crossed compared to where it finished could be a big distance difference. Because it has or in the rule my understanding was you can choose

    Two Estimated Reference Points:

    (a). Ball Reference Point: The point where the original ball is estimated to have:

    Come to rest on the course, or
    Last crossed the edge of the course boundary to go out of bounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdoug10 View Post
    Come to rest on the course
    I would say that OOB is not "on the course", taking that option away and leaving only the second one (where it crossed the OOB boundary). But that wouldn't work for any internal OOB (like between holes, like some courses have).

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    Ok I didn’t think about that makes sense now. Better have a big slice ob then to get the max distance lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdoug10 View Post
    Yeah I saw that image but I’m wondering about the dropping where in ends up rather then went OB. Eg straight block right to OB. If you have to drop and where it first crossed compared to where it finished could be a big distance difference. Because it has or in the rule my understanding was you can choose

    Two Estimated Reference Points:

    (a). Ball Reference Point: The point where the original ball is estimated to have:

    Come to rest on the course, or
    Last crossed the edge of the course boundary to go out of bounds.
    "Come to rest on the course" would be for a lost ball.

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    I’d have to check, but I’m pretty sure at our club if the ball is OB and you can actually see it we take it no closer to the hole from the point that it ended up and you drop on the edge of the fairway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussieashley View Post
    I’d have to check, but I’m pretty sure at our club if the ball is OB and you can actually see it we take it no closer to the hole from the point that it ended up and you drop on the edge of the fairway.
    Minor Threat's posted image makes it pretty clear that this is wrong. A different drop for the two different scenarios; lost and OOB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    Minor Threat's posted image makes it pretty clear that this is wrong. A different drop for the two different scenarios; lost and OOB.
    Yep, on 2nd look we are running MT’s options.

    This one I think:
    C324D51E-F4D6-44A5-8E89-AB5A5289C1B5.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussieashley View Post
    Yep, on 2nd look we are running MT’s options.

    This one I think:
    Are you saying that people have been taking it from where the ball ends up OOB, or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    Are you saying that people have been taking it from where the ball ends up OOB, or not?
    Probably the same players that base their water hazard drop point as being perpendicular with where they saw the splash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dotty View Post
    Probably the same players that base their water hazard drop point as being perpendicular with where they saw the splash.
    And far enough away from the hazard so you get a clear line of sight to the flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    And far enough away from the hazard so you get a clear line of sight to the flag.
    I don't do that, but I do hate the "double penalty" of going into a lot of hazards. One penalty shot, plus a drop in a shit lie. Pros always seem to get good drops though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    Are you saying that people have been taking it from where the ball ends up OOB, or not?
    Where it crossed, but drop on the fairway, like the diagram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussieashley View Post
    Where it crossed, but drop on the fairway, like the diagram.
    Good to know, because I was about to email Golf Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyP View Post
    I don't do that, but I do hate the "double penalty" of going into a lot of hazards. One penalty shot, plus a drop in a shit lie. Pros always seem to get good drops though.
    Very good point. Emerald Lakes had/has a lot of those, because a billion trees started rapidly growing wild on all the borders of the hazards, and got out of control. When they began hosting QLD PGA, the tour requested oil lines to mark hazards well away from the natural waters edge, so that nobody had to drop in spots that were just bollocks. AFAIK they still maintain this oil line ( oh my dont tell the greens). The problem with most clubs is they are run by amatuers, and most golfers dont care about appplying rules correctly so nothing gets done about these situations.

    My pet hate is stakes outside hazards, so that it becomes quite confusing. What does a golfer do when the line between two stakes crosses over the water hazards natural lines. Does it make part ot the hazard casual water? ( no it doesnt).

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    This one if prob for andyP to answer as he will know the part I’m taking about. On the 7th at Wolston park there is a drainage ditch (all dirt hasn’t been sealed) the runs up the right side of the hole.

    Few questions,

    if you land it this or it affects your stance do you get a drop?

    If it has water in it can you claim casual water?

    If the concrete pipe at then end affects stance/stroke does this change the ruling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdoug10 View Post
    This one if prob for andyP to answer as he will know the part I’m taking about. On the 7th at Wolston park there is a drainage ditch (all dirt hasn’t been sealed) the runs up the right side of the hole.

    Few questions,

    if you land it this or it affects your stance do you get a drop?

    If it has water in it can you claim casual water?

    If the concrete pipe at then end affects stance/stroke does this change the ruling?
    Check the local rules if you can.

    Was it marked with red stakes at all?




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    It's not in the local rules. No stakes, from memory, therefore play it as it lies, although casual water would apply. The man made obstruction rule should apply to the concrete, and a drop would be allowed.


 

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