How good a look do you have to have for the first ball after you've hit a provisional?
How good a look do you have to have for the first ball after you've hit a provisional?
You are right, you can play the provisional until it is closer.
spasticrap
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Odessey #7
Petey...
b. When Provisional Ball Becomes Ball in Play
The player may play a provisional ball until he reaches the place where the original ball is likely to be. If he makes a stroke with the provisional ball from the place where the original ball is likely to be or from a point nearer the hole than that place, the original ball is*lost and the provisional ball becomes the ball in play * under penalty of stroke and distance (Rule 27-1).
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Thanks MT. That's why I told my playing partner the other day. He can declare the first ball lost at any time.
Meh, I know the rule, was just pointing out that not everyone does.
spasticrap
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Oh. I thought you meant you couldn't find it.
Easy to do.
spasticrap
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He can take the unplayable and play from where he last played a stroke from. That could have been his only option.
Exactly. It's not actually where the original ball is found, it is where it is "likely to be", as Hocko says.
MEga, regarding the original ball being lost, if you play a provisional and decide not to look, I could be a dick and look for it. If I find it inside of 5 minutes and you haven't played a shot from past where the original lay, you would have to play it. I had it happen in a match play.
So a ball cannot be declared lost until the 5 minutes is up. It is out of play once you play the provisional in front of where it is expected to be.
Got it. It's awesome!
I have one that I am not certain about.
Our course has a lot of sand waste type areas in the rough and beyond. I saw a bloke a few weeks back moving sand from in behind his ball, so it ended up basically being teed up, as there was a hollow in behind the ball. Is this allowed? I would have thought it would be somewhere around the "building a stance" ruling, although to be honest I have not done much research on it.
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Off the top of my head it sounds like the 'improving your lie' one.
I would agree. Had to pull a guy up on this last week. Landed in a sandy spot just off the fairway. He then used his club to wipe away some stick etc which was cool, bu the did it 3 or 4 more times until he had dug a little hollow.
Unfortunately the other guy in the group had no idea of the rules and had to pull out the trusty rule book to show them.
Just had a quick search of the R&A site and found it at Rule 13-2 "Improving Lie, Area of Intended Stance or Swing, or Line of Play"
Definite penalty! The guy was not in my group and if I was confident that I knew the rule I would have said something to him..A player must not improve or allow to be improved:
• the position or lie of his ball,
• the area of his intended stance or swing,
• his line of play or a reasonable extension of that line beyond the hole, or
• the area in which he is to drop or place a ball,
by any of the following actions:
• pressing a club on the ground,
• moving, bending or breaking anything growing or fixed (including immovable obstructions and objects defining out of bounds),
• creating or eliminating irregularities of surface,
• removing or pressing down sand, loose soil, replaced divots or other cut turf placed in position, or
• removing dew, frost or water.
However, the player incurs no penalty if the action occurs:
• in grounding the club lightly when addressing the ball,
• in fairly taking his stance,
• in making a stroke or the backward movement of his club for a stroke and the stroke is made,
• in creating or eliminating irregularities of surface within the teeing ground (Rule 11-1) or in removing dew, frost or water from the teeing ground, or
• on the putting green in removing sand and loose soil or in repairing damage (Rule 16-1).
Exception: Ball in hazard – see Rule 13-4.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.
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another good one for guys if you dont have an Iphone is the pocket rules guide. I think most Pro-Shops and golf shops have them. Its got the rules and penalties for each, but doesnt have the HUGE detail of the official R&A book.
Toronto had a 2 local rules I have never come across before on the weekend:
1. 30cm prefered lie in your "own" fairway
2. If ball lies on loose rocks, the ball can be lifted, rocks swept away and ball replaced. If rocks are embedded, ball can be dropped at nearest point, no closer to the hole.
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I've come across the preferred lie on the fairway before. Rockingham plays that quite a bit
Obviously you have to read the local rules at the pro shop or on the card....Melville has a policy that there are no cart paths on the golf course.
I have had to hit off concrete in previous games.
It is not compulsory for a club to use the example local rules listed in the Rules Appendix. However it is recommended that they do, because it removes any ambiguity which is common when a club makes up its own local rules - followed sub-sequentially by the players.
My club seems to have some local rules that are not on the local rule board "its always been the rule here"
I wasn't happy. Deep kack, left side of 9 at KB. We had both hit in, so I was quite happy to go 3 off the tee and play it out.
Technically, yes. You can instantly take it out of play by dropping, not declaring a provisional, and playing another shot.
Give me the initials of the member. I've had a chat with one guy there before about a similar thing.
the interesting aside from that scenario is if Dick finds a ball, then the player is obligated to identify whether it is his or not. He cant brush it off with a 'forget about it'.
Hey there is an idea, walk in there with half a dozen old balls and leave them lying around. Then point them out to him one by one - very slowly.
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