Not the same guy then. You see some interesting things out there.
absolutely.
Local rule regarding ball plugged in bunker face etc, etc. The bloke was adamant I had to play it as it lies. Its even got the rule on the scorecard as per rule 22, but he refused to sign the card if I took relief. Thats a name i'll be looking out for.
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I sent a question to the R&A, apparently they are generating a flash based rules app for mobile devices first then making an android specific version.
I had the situation the other day where I chipped my ball to about 18" and one of the guys in my group was to chip next and I thought that there was a good chance that his chip might hit my ball and deflect closer to the hole. I said hang on while I mark my ball, he said leave it as it may help stop his ball. He then chipped before I could get to the ball to mark it. He missed my ball, but my understanding is that I have to mark it (especially as he wanted me to leave it to help him). I reckon rule 22 is pretty clear on it and we had quite a bit of discussion as a group over the next few holes.
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You don't have to mark it, but he can't ask you to leave it there either.
I just re-read the rule. If he asks me to leave it there and I agree we can both be disqualified by the Committee, but normally it is a two stroke penalty. But to him or me?
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It would be to him.
By the sounds of it though, you didnt agree to leave it there.He just played it before you got a chance to mark.
If he had hit my ball I would have asked that he take a 2 stroke penalty, as it was he got no where near it so it was academic.
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There is no penalty for hitting your ball, assuming he was off the green. Agreeing between you to not lift the ball is DQ. That didn't happen as you wanted to mark it.
I think the key word in the rule is May. Pretty sure the breach of rule would be for not replacing it correctly, or cleaning it when not allowed to?? Not sure that he is obligated to wait for you to mark your ball. anyone have a decision? Longwinded thread on ISG about it.
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Similar to something hocko has mentioned before... I played a course onetime (i believe its Kwinana) who had a local rule in effect that 'every shot was to be played as it lies'. Apparently this was due to some members taking ridiculous amounts of relief so they could have perfect lies.
Anyway, my Uncles drive found its way into a grass tree (blackboy tree, whatever you want to call it) and was nestled in there at about waist height. The old guy we were playing with agreed to allow him relief, but the other younger guy (about mid to late 30's) said it was play it as it lies. Even though this would mean playing it from a tree.
What would have been correct in that situation? I would have thought it was an obvious unplayable lie and relief can be taken? and at what point do the official R&A rules 'over-rule' the local rules?
Declare it unplayable. You are not allowed relief, you take a penalty stroke and then proceed according to the rules. You can call the ball unplayable anywhere (except in a water hazard). I doubt that a local rule can be used to alter that.
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IMO there are possibly three options available in this scenario:
1. An unplayable lie can be taken - 1 stroke penalty
a) Go back to where last stroke was played
b) Go back on line with ball and flag and drop
c) Drop 2 club lengths from where the ball lay
2. There could possibly have been a local rule for "Ornamental Trees - Staked or Under 2 club lengths in height" - Free relief can be taken
3. Try to play as it lies.
You can declare your ball unplayable at any time (unless in a water hazard) regardless of the local rules. I think in this case the young bloke is taking "Play as it lies" too literally. What if the ball was stuck in a 20m high tree, is he expected to climb it and hit the ball?
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Playing it as it lies didn't stop Happy Gilmore.
He is not entitle to refuse to sign your card if he thinks you breached a rule - no matter whether he is right or wrong.
See Definitions, Marker: ..."He is not a referee" and also page 56.
In a nutshell the marker signs to attest that is the score that the competitor said he had. If the marker disagrees he must report this to the committee. If in the case the marker refuses to sign the card because he being a nob, the committee will sign the card for the player anyway. Thus the threat " i will not sign your card" is an empty one.
My interpretation is that the player can be disqualified by the committee. Rule 22-1b, i read the last sentence competitors as also meaning competitor.
The Committee cannot modify or waive the rules of golf without approval from the R&A. such actions in extreme circumstances could a club to lose its affiliation and rounds played at such a course could be handicapped.
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I just read the Rule 22 decisions, and I am less certain now.
Its also clear there is no penalty if a player asked for a ball to be replaced. Decision 22/5
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you will need to read the decision yourself to get it.
Asking is not against the rules.How can another player ask for a ball to be replaced?
a special blend of psychology and extreme violence would probably work quite well.I can't see how you can force a player to replace their ball?
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there is indeed.
http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Am...s-of-Golf.aspx
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