Martinez19696

[idgolfguy]

I am off to read my 5 lessons again...

Just a little tid bit for us Hogan fans.

Ben Hogan was NEVER outside the top 10 for every major from 1940-1960. Never once outside the top 10 for 22 years !!!

Now, that is a record and didn't know that. I'm going to get the little book out and read it again.

Have to look for a PDF so that I don't have to carry a hardcopy around - or scan it.

[PeteyD]

Get 2 copies of it.

[martinez]

It is the excessive or zealous belief in all things TGM is what I was referring to by the few that aren't prepared to have a lucid discussion.

I am TGM trained and still see the value in evaluating what other perspectives may offer.

Elk, who as you may know is a GSED of TGM....told me that he is almost glad that he didn't win the '02 open.....which believe me he would love an Open championship....because he may never have gotten out of the 'Machine'. Now, that's not to say that he doesn't think it has any value...but he believes in seeing things from a myriad perspectives....just as you say.

[virge666]

I would never normally do this... but those of you who have not read the absolute tirade of shit that came out of 2 or 3 of the lads at the other forum - it is well worth a read. With the exception of Guru and Brad, the soap boxing is just phenominal.

5 pages of abuse and self-backslapping which resulting in Martin eventually telling them to shove it... then it is all about how rude Martin was and how this forum is about teaching... it is a dead set corker. Even Ziggy, Brokar, ID and a few others got in on the action.

The only problem is that they all made up in the end...

One bloke posted an 8 paragraph TGM translation of the move... I am not sure they get the point.

[henno]

It's a train wreck. Brain-dead zealotry of any kind makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

[timah!]

Phuck me!
Are they for real?


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[markTHEblake]

How was the backpeddle of the century?
'i wouldnt have called you that if i knew you were australian' but then still ridiculed the teaching method.

yet he went to a clinic at long reef and saw his videos. How on earth could someone not tell Marty is Australian. absolutely pathetic.

[BroKar]

obviously had not even watched a single clip of Martin, pretty obvious australian voicE.

[henno]

Yesterday: "I know everything there is to know about you; I've watched all of your videos and read all of your stuff... and therefore I can difinitively say you're shit!!!"
Today: "Oh, I didn't know you were Australian. You're awesome."

[Yossarian]

Does being an Aussie mean that you can teach golf or are just more likely to engage in some sort of legal action?

[Hux]

Martin

Had a lesson from Gary Calder at Indro last year and found him to be a great communicator and it worked for me. After watching your vid I can actually see a lot of what Gaz was having me do to stop me going over the top in it. Not so much teh half moon but the setting the ball 18" back in the swing then picking it up into position and then just releasing it back through.

An extremely effective move and amazing how as per the vid a couple of pages back you can get the club back in position at impact with so much power.
No idea about TGM or anything else but what I have watched of yours is pretty easy for me to digest.

[idgolfguy]

..Even Ziggy, Brokar, ID and a few others got in on the action.

The only problem is that they all made up in the end...

I didn't know I had posted in that thread.

Damn shame about the making up... I was looking forward to some Internet cage fighting between Martin and sundry. Is there going o be make-up sex now?

[markTHEblake]

Best students I have had as far as picking it up super quick is Baseballers. Both hitters and pitchers see parallels.

Remember my yank mate Grant I told you about - he has an incredible knowledge about all things golf. He basically affirms what you are saying there almost to a T. We definitely got to get you two to meet up one day.

Well I was describing your move to him, and he said thats just like baseball pitching, and he added that in USA, because all the kids play baseball, they pick up golf so easily later on because of those early concepts.

Perhaps we are crap at golf because we played cricket instead

[martinez]

I was all set to never post there again....but I think it's turned out better than that...I don't see any winners in the way it was headed before

Blakey...believe me when I say I see a lot of cricket batting in it....but it's more of a stretch to explain that than the baseball

[martinez]

Wow...that place is poison....real glad my name is on that thread over there...LOL.

[markTHEblake]

I think you have done enough now to frighten the crap out of them, am sure none expected you to pop in there. As you said, they all know where to find you.

[Yossarian]

Wow...that place is poison....real glad my name is on that thread over there...LOL.

I tried to warn you

[idgolfguy]

That is why some of us have moved.

[martinez]

Thing is, I'm a fan of TGM.....I just don't think it's the be all and end all...and I certainly don't appreciate some old **** telling me I'm a retard.....when frankly I probably know as much 'machine' as he does and I never cracked the book. I have a guy in my online program that is a long time disciple of Lynn Blake....Elk is a GSED....both of those guys have something missing in their knowledge that I have been able to fill. I don't know everything, but these guys that shut themselves off from something new will never be able to really help all the players they say they want to help.

I have seen all kinds of technology etc...that's meant to be useful to Golfers....imo, most of that is not applicable. The only thing that will make it truly applicable is for both teacher and student understand it 100%. 100% of tour players do not understand that info 100%...they are the best that this game has to offer. So..............

[idgolfguy]

I like TGM and understand it, the book is poorly written for some not used to reading old school tech designs

If it was put into a web format wit inline links and pop up windows for reference, it would be much easier

[PeteyD]

Capalaba Driving Range today? Anyone going?

[timah!]

Capalaba Driving Range today? Anyone going?

Sorry Pete, I'm out today. Need to keep getting doors finished in the house for rello's.
Next week?


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[PeteyD]

Maybe. Might suit me betterer as well.

[virge666]

Sydney conference . . . WHEN ?

As for the TGM lads... they are of the express opinion that you learn the mechanics and that in turn gives you feel. When you lose your feel - you then go back to your mechanics and re-learn your feel, be it with imitation, dowell drills, sticking shit in the way or whatever.

I have a problem with this and it is the same problem I have with most methods... I can fix myself with a video camera, a mirror and maybe a blonde to help out... but I cannot bring any of this on a golf course, which means to get good I have to practice a LOT !

I like Martin, Edwin, Cowan, Bann and those kind of guys as they give you something I can fix if it all goes to shit. Edwin's schimmy drill is sensational for the body, Martin's twirl is great for the release, Baan is great for controlling ball flight...

Here is the kicker... None of the above are mechanical - they are all "Feels", they are all using a similar motion to replicate mechanics.

TGM have pressure points, hinge actions, power accumulators and path lines... all are similar to the above feels... the only real difference is that they have a language for describing all the other parts of the swing.

But - it is all the same thing... so why can TGM people not get on with anyone else... short of Stack and Tilt advocates, they are the most frustrating group of golfer on the planet.

You just want to slap them.

[martinez]

Virge
I'm going to Sydney Monday...meet with Andy for 3 days.