Last rules infringement you let slide.

[Daves]

JC. See rule 13-2 improving lie. The player can only remove irregularities on the teeing ground.

I believe I was in fact correct.

Incorrect Shaz, see Decision 23 - 1/6.

[Johnny Canuck]

As Dave said (which is what I meant), you can remove loose impediments before dropping.

[Johnny Canuck]

Daves decision is the exact ruling I was referring too.

[Daves]

23-1/6 Removal of Loose Impediments from Area in Which Ball to Be Dropped

Q. Through the green, is it permissible for a player to remove loose impediments from the area in which he is preparing to drop his ball?

A. Yes.

[shazza_rs]

Just found the decision. It seems like the decision is a contradiction the the actual rule.

I'll admit to getting it wrong. Didn't think I was though.

I still don't get how that isn't improving your lie? If your ball was to end up on a twig or leaf it's tough titties. But if you are dropping you can move them. Makes no sense to me.

[Daves]

Just found the decision. It seems like the decision is a contradiction the the actual rule.

I'll admit to getting it wrong. Didn't think I was though.

You are half right Shazz, you can't improve the potential lie. You can't fill in a divot, remove, bend or step down living material etc . Removing a loose impediment isn't considered to be improving your lie (or stance or swing). The same as you are allowed to remove loose impediments from around your ball before hitting it.

[shazza_rs]

Yeah around your ball. If you end up on top of a leaf or twig it can't be removed. Still makes no sense to me.

[peter_rs]

Can water be used to define internal ob without any markings

[MegaWatty]

Can water be used to define internal ob without any markings

Is it a local rule?

[Johnny Canuck]

It's simple Shaz. You don't have a lie until you drop the ball, therefore you can't improve it by removing loose impediments. Also, you can always remove loose impediments, unless you are in a hazard.

I know this rule because I was in the exact situation that you were a while back. I was sure it was a penalty and I was wrong.

[peter_rs]

It's on a sign by order of the committee but not the look rules board. The sign just says tee shots coming to rest on the left of the water are ob.

So the second part would be can you have ob just for a tee shot?

[Johnny Canuck]

Pete, not sure on this one, bur I think you would need stakes to define oob. I've played courses with internal oob and it was always defined with white stakes.

I can't see how one shot can be considered oob, but not another. Very strange.

[MegaWatty]

It's on a sign by order of the committee but not the look rules board. The sign just says tee shots coming to rest on the left of the water are ob.

So the second part would be can you have ob just for a tee shot?

This is a long shot, because I was informed when I played there. Windaroo 16?

[peter_rs]

There are a few course around Brisbane with internal oob. Nudgee north 16 as well

[MegaWatty]

From memory Windaroo is staked. Shame, because it looks like an exciting way to play the hole.

[kingslayer33]

...I can't see how one shot can be considered oob, but not another. Very strange.

JC, on my course we have an internal OOB that is only in play for one of the two parallel holes that it is between. Do they get away with this differentiation because they can easily say the stakes are "live" on the eleventh but not the twelfth as opposed to the eg. above where it is just off the tee?

[shazza_rs]

Thanks for clearing that up gents. I'm not feeling entirely bad about it. He moved a log that is against the path which is actually an Immovable obstruction on the local rules board at the same time.

Oh and he was slow as a wet week and was giving me the shites. Pete and I walking were getting to the green quicker than he and his mate in a cart. We lost a full hole and a half on the group in front as well.

[Daves]

If he had known the rules himself he shouldn't have been worried Shaz!

The one that I let slide but am really tempted to pull up is the generous interpretation of casual water relief and when it is tee up. You can guarantee most players will take the relief on the side that is closet to the centre of the fairway or where they will have the best lie/position. When I show them the steps to take relief correctly they usually just look at me as if to say "you think I am stupid or something"

[WBennett]

I had a relief situation yesterday, where the nearest point from GUR was in a horrible spot. I went back and dropped it there, chopped the chip, made a double.

My playing partner asked why I did not take the easier spot a further 2 metres away - I pointed out it was not 'the nearest point of relief', to which he replied 'everyone else does it'

[markTHEblake]

I have 60 apps on my Android. None that I can tell have ever been able to judge wind in any way, or is a compass etc.

GPS Status is one, do you have that?

am able to use it in comp with my GPS application wtih the SIM removed because

I see no reason to remove the SIM card.

Can water be used to define internal ob without any markings

Emerald Lakes does on the 4th hole, however the water remains the hazard, if you hit over the other side of the water you are OB.
There appears to be nothing in the rules defining how such boundaries should be marked, as long as the markings are accurate, Rule 33. It would seem then that a hazard margin meets that requirement

[peter_rs]

Can it only apply to one shot.

33 says accurately defined and says stakes and lines usally

[Daves]

Can it only apply to one shot.

33 says accurately defined and says stakes and lines usally

You mean like Oxley. The internal OOB on the left on 7th only applies when playing the 7th if I remember correctly!?

[peter_rs]

Nudgee north 16th oob is only for "the tee shot". Its a dog leg left u have to cross the water

It's to stop people trying to drive the green

[MegaWatty]

Is it not accurate that you are either in the water or out of it? In the water is a hazard, out of the water is OOB.

That's how I would read it. If they did have stakes, how would you get over the water to see if you're actually inside or outside?

[Daves]

Nudgee north 16th oob is only for "the tee shot". Its a dog leg left u have to cross the water

It's to stop people trying to drive the green

OK, I thought there were OOB posts along the other side of the creek? to the back of the 17th Tee.