Tiger's dipping and rising ... good or bad?

[Jono]

Much has been made of Tiger's "dipping" during transition and "raising up" through impact.

Have a look at this Swing Vision clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy9GTAENiJA

Pause about 23 seconds into the clip. Then play to about 29 seconds into the clip. You definitely get the feeling that he is going from a "standing" position to a "sitting" or "squatting" position.

Now from about 30 secs to impact at 33 secs, his lower body is coming UP.

Now some people have said that this down and up move in Tiger's swing is bad.

What do you think?

[sms316]

The dip certainly wasn't as pronounced at the Memorial, and he hit his driver gun-barrell straight all week.

[Johnny Canuck]

It's Tiger Woods. No one should be able to critique his swing.

[adlo]

Why not JC? Tiger is gawn, can't even win a major.

[3oneday]

What JC said.

[Jono]

Why wouldn't you want to analyze Tiger's swing? He's the best, isn't he?

I think his dipping and rising is a double edged sword. I think it gives him extra clubhead speed but at the cost of accuracy.

[3oneday]

Yep, he sucks. Badly.



Play more, think less

[Johnny Canuck]

Maybe he has to do it because of his knee, therefore any analysis of it is useless.

He says that he only swings at 80%. If he needs extra clubhead speed, he doesn't need to dip and rise to get it.

[kpac]

what works for tiger will unlikely work for anyone else i'd assume. It just a matter of how it works. ie Adam Scotts swing - textbook - yet hes scoring like a monkey, figure that out. What ever swing gets you round the course in the least shots is the winner and the dip and rise is how tiger does it.

[petethepilot]

I'm no guru but I'm not convinved Tigers swing is technically the best. Tiger is the best by a unique ability to focus totally, think clearly and increase performance as pressure ramps up. They are pretty rare attributes just be themselves little alone as a unit.

Oh and having the world's greatest shortgame helps a lot.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Regards,

Pete

[Johnny Canuck]

what works for tiger will unlikely work for anyone else i'd assume. It just a matter of how it works. ie Adam Scotts swing - textbook - yet hes scoring like a monkey, figure that out. What ever swing gets you round the course in the least shots is the winner and the dip and rise is how tiger does it.

Exactly.

There is no such thing as a perfect swing, only swings to suit the individual.

Can you imagine Jarro and Aldo (giant Freak) trying to emulate the exact same swing because the textbook said it was correct? Nope.

The only reason Woods didn't win the Open was because he couldn't sink any putts. It was painful, yet enjoyable to watch him continuosly push putts that he normally drops.

[just]

Can you imagine Jarro and Aldo (giant Freak) trying to emulate the exact same swing because the textbook said it was correct? Nope.

Incredibly though, their swings are very similar, in some ways.

[Johnny Canuck]

Jarro has a ghey swing too?

[Jono]

"he swings like that because it suits him" is a bit of a cop out line, IMO. How does it suit him? Why?

Think about it. Tiger is probably one of the most hand-eye coordinated golfer on earth. He could change his swing if he really wanted to and get rid of the dip/rise all together. Yet, he still has a significant dip.

Dipping then rising through impact does two things:

1) It activated the powerful muscles called the "posterior chain"

2) It raises the center of curvature and shortens the radius. this speeds up the clubhead using the law of conservation of angular momentum.

[Jono]

Maybe he has to do it because of his knee, therefore any analysis of it is useless.

He says that he only swings at 80%. If he needs extra clubhead speed, he doesn't need to dip and rise to get it.

Dipping then rising would put more stress on his left knee. Combining the knee extension with torque is why his knee is stuffed.

In his book, he wrote that to get extra clubhead speed, he snaps his left leg (ie. rises quicker through impact)

[kpac]

1) It activated the powerful muscles called the "posterior chain"

2) It raises the center of curvature and shortens the radius. this speeds up the clubhead using the law of conservation of angular momentum.

3) the prosterior train drives the club head faster

4) The shorter radius can be divided by pi to reduce the dimples on a 3 piece ball.



Mate seriously, i honestly think that his entire action relates to comfort over the ball and years on course/range fine tuning what works for him. Why is that such a cop out... Anyone who spends as much time on the game as tiger would develope their swing. Up down whatever, it's just gotta work, and if you refine something as long as these guys do you will ("can" for use of better word) get it to work.

[Jono]

Here's another swing with a dip/rise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gko2xseCauc

The dip is not so pronounced, but it's there.

[Yossarian]

It is his putting that is killing him.

[Jarro]

I think Anthony Kim has a better swing than Tiger ....

.. that might be a better one to take a closer look at Jono, no dipping there

[3oneday]

he's just trying to get virge and razaar excited, we haven't had a proper dribble fest for ages now

[Jono]

I think Anthony Kim has a better swing than Tiger ....

Nah, I don't look at Korean swings ... it doesn't suit me.

[Bruce]

Here's someone else who dips and rises.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyydWns8Uo

Fairly pronounced too.

[idgolfguy]

Tiger body and swing was developed from the day he was born. His flexibility and strength is different to most other golfers in the world. Couple that with his mental abilities and you have a unique combination - prodigy.

He has changed his swing at least three times out of choice in order to get better. I like his swing a lot but can't emulate it because I don't have the same physicality. However, I can try to copy his impact to some extent. I don't see much change is his impact postion with all the various phases of his swing.

[dee cee]

The dip is like you said, loading up that right side and springing upward creating power. Really is a good thing, we should all try it. The great ballstrikers of modern times and yesteryear all had the load up and spring look about them. Creates power from the ground up... Hogan's secret some say. Is it the root of Tiger's bad shots??? If we suggest his bad shots is when he's going for it or trying to get more out of the shot... and in turn he does dip and spring more... trying to get more power... then maybe it is his problem, i.e. too much. I think it is a great powerful mood. I'm going to go try some now!!

dcee

[Jono]

Here's someone else who dips and rises.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyydWns8Uo

Fairly pronounced too.

OK, that's a real dip.

Tiger's down move is more of a squat.

Sir Charles bends over like Alo's putting posture. He completely loses his spine angle. Very different from Tiger's athletic squat.