Sydney sucks, Melbourne is nice (although so flat), Perth is just beautiful in my books.
I should point out that as a born and bred West Australian I really hate Victoria.
Probably. Don't really care about footy, but it sounds like the kind of thing West Aussies would do.
Exactly. Sydney sucks balls though. Biggest rat race and most soulless city I have ever seen. Perth is not that far behind it though
Naturally grippy
I think you are overselling this. It's not hard to be cleverly organised when you are essentially on a flat bit of dirt with a creek running through it. Sydney, Brisbane and to a lesser extent Perth have greater landscape issues to deal with making orderly organisation more difficult. And Perth is far more progressive infrastructure(road/rail) wise than any other large city in Australia. With the exception of the tram network, Melbourne is as poor infra-structure wise as any other city in Australia. Kudos for the forethought in keeping the trams when so many other cities got rid of theirs, they are fantastic.
Complete rubbish. How much time have you spent in Sydney? I lived the better part of 10 years in the eastern suburbs, lower north shore and inner west. If you can't find the soul of Sydney then you aren't looking hard enough. Sure, if you live in Campbelltown it sucks, but you could say the same of any outer suburb in Australia.
We will have to agree to disagree Just.
I am right though.
Naturally grippy
The Sydney swans are based in Sydney. Nough said
I find this discussion interesting. I don't hold a grudge against any particular state or its members. I have travelled throughout every state and territory of our great country and have always enjoyed the uniqueness each area has to offer.
You can go anywhere in Australia (or the world for that matter) and you will find many great people who you get along with as well as rednecks, elitists and wankers. To stereotype a group of people as numerous and diverse as the occupants of an entire state is plainly ridiculous.
I prefer to focus on the similarities we share rather than pick on any differences (which, more often than not, are a greater reflection of the observor than the observed). It is a basic pyschological trait that we embrace the familiar and are suspicious of the unfamiliar - I'd like to think that as a tolerant and modern nation we're better than that (dismounting my high horse...now).
You work with the landscape you are provided with.
Agree 100%. Take Sydney for example. George St (and Parramatta rd) veers left, right, all over the shop, because when the city was growing it basically had to keep moving to miss farmland. As the city grew (and continues to), there has been a complete failure to plan. Melbourne's checkerboard design is boring, but seems to work ok.
A few examples;
The Chatswood to Parramatta rail venture is a joke. This should always have departed from St Leonards. As a result it thunders through some ridiculous underground tunnels, and completely misses hotspots like Lane Cove.
The Monorail was built as a show-piece. It's a white elephant. Pointless and expensive.
Light rail is hardly used, and plans for expansion is a case of too little, too late.
I've got no idea about Perth, I've only been there once (and about to visit once again) - but the negative feeling towards the population "back east" is amazing. I had fish one night... I couldn't get any chips, they were all on the shoulders of the inhabitants.
I would live in any of these 3 before Brisbane though
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Lucy Harris smart smart smart, Martin Harris dumb.
Never been to Perth, but a fella I played golf with the other week told me a funny story.
He was visiting his daughter, with the bride in tow, and mother & daughter went for a walk at about 11.00am. He asked if they could return with some fish/chips for lunch.
A while later they came home empty handed. He asked what happened, and they told him that the fish/chip shop was "closed for lunch".
Forum needs more banter.
Victoria is the only state where you can get a good chicken parmigiana.
Seriously though as West Australian's you are brought up to hate Victoria. Sure we look down on all the other states as well, but Victoria we hate. Why is that?
It can't just be them claiming all our good footy players??
Isn't it funny how this thread is about 80% about the capital cities.
The speeding thing here is crap, can't argue with that.
AFL dominates the news too much, yep, agree there too, but same with NRL if you go north.
Weather in Melbourne is iffy at best, but up here we get pretty awesome weather most of the time.
Overall I don't see a massive issue between states, to me it has been more of a friendly rivalry, similar to what we as a nation share with the kiwis.
Brisbane is not as bad as it once was. Try living in Toowoomba.
Brisbane's transport issues are legion. I agree that Melbourne seems to have this right. Easy place to get around by car, tram etc. Nothing on a par with Japan though, the have totally awesome public transit systems (most are private too).
Sydney has one of the most beautiful settings for a city with the harbour. On a par with San Francisco etc. I just don't get on well with the Sydney vibe. Might be better now that I am older and more tolerant.
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Was going to post to the same effect.
Nothing at all wrong with Victoria - if you can avoid being in Melbourne. I'm sure there are plenty of NSW folks who feel the same about Sydney.
Was it Paul Kelly who sang "Every ****ing city is the same"?
I don't have a problem with people from any state. I love everybody, man.
Bloody hippy !
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