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    I watched the Kobe helicopter crash video this morning, a little hard to watch knowing there are people inside
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    Especially his 13 year old daughter
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    True dat
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    Quote Originally Posted by meh View Post
    How so? Far more people love trump than Kobe.
    Really? Where did your learn that fact from?

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    Why watch then when you knew the result
    Mark we can’t vote but by popular opinion Trump is a complete **** forehead
    Its funny how we hate overseas politicians more than the self serving ****wits that run this country

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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    Really? Where did your learn that fact from?
    Every trump rally has thousands of so called christians turn up to hear him lie. The same idiots also donate a lot of money to this “billionaire”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meh View Post
    How so? Far more people love trump than Kobe.
    Bill Clinton has both of them covered in any "lovable rapist" contest.

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    I don’t see any sense in taking a helicopter in heavy fog to avoid travelling 80 miles by road. Especially with other people on board.

    I remember going with my mate in his helicopter years back. While hanging out the door taking pics of his dad’s boat we cavitated and dropped 500 odd feet like a rock. Minced my pants and have never been in a chopper since.

    “I didn’t tell you at the time but have no idea how we didn’t crash.”

    To quote my mate 6 months later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrins View Post
    I don’t see any sense in taking a helicopter in heavy fog to avoid travelling 80 miles by road. Especially with other people on board. I remember going with my mate in his helicopter years back. While hanging out the door taking pics of his dad’s boat we cavitated and dropped 500 odd feet like a rock. Minced my pants and have never been in a chopper since.“I didn’t tell you at the time but have no idea how we didn’t crash.”To quote my mate 6 months later.
    Unlimited money and LA traffic probably make helicopters a popular choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    Unlimited money and LA traffic probably make helicopters a popular choice
    It is certainly a rich persons problem. Personally I’ll take the thick LA traffic instead of a helicopter ride in thick fog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayHack View Post
    It is certainly a rich persons problem. Personally I’ll take the thick LA traffic instead of a helicopter ride in thick fog.
    I read today he started using helicopters to commute years ago so he could get home from training in time to pick his kids up from school

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    I read today he started using helicopters to commute years ago so he could get home from training in time to pick his kids up from school
    In all fairness the traffic around LA is like nothing I have seen anywhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by meh View Post
    Every trump rally has thousands of so called christians turn up to hear him lie. The same idiots also donate a lot of money to this “billionaire”.
    Thats interesting, i havent heard about that before. Why dont the other politicians have rallys for raising donations too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sms316 View Post
    The most celebrated rapist in the world
    You are fortunate that you dont work for the Washington post

    https://amp.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/terrible-person-reporter-slammed-for-kobe-tweet/news-story/00b007129b0023ba97dbd0ad0847cf1c

    Seems that the metoo bandwagon suddenly has boundaries. I wonder if they will extend the same courtesy to others like Cosby, Spacey et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markTHEblake View Post
    You are fortunate that you dont work for the Washington post https://amp.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/terrible-person-reporter-slammed-for-kobe-tweet/news-story/00b007129b0023ba97dbd0ad0847cf1c Seems that the metoo bandwagon suddenly has boundaries. I wonder if they will extend the same courtesy to others like Cosby, Spacey et al.
    In this case I think Trump is the equivalent. Accused, not tried/convicted and settled a civil suit out of court.

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    The wording of the statement Kobe released at the time of settlement seems to me to be an admission of a nonconsensual act:

    “Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

    At the very least that’s enough to me that any discussion of his legacy should be at least “it’s complicated” as opposed to near sainthood...

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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    The wording of the statement Kobe released at the time of settlement seems to me to be an admission of a nonconsensual act:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual
    Interesting take

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    Interesting take
    He goes on to say he acknowledges the victim doesn’t think it was consensual. Quoting only part of what I quoted removes important context

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    For me, Kobes admission/confession/apology is very sincerely given, he appears genuinely repentant to me. We dont often see that in cases where someone feels they didnt do anything wrong. Most people use words like If, But or Apparently when forced to apologise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    He goes on to say he acknowledges the victim doesn’t think it was consensual. Quoting only part of what I quoted removes important context
    You said he admitted it was non consensual. His thought is the only context you need. Acknowledging she sees it differently makes no difference to how he sees it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3puttpete View Post
    You said he admitted it was non consensual. His thought is the only context you need. Acknowledging she sees it differently makes no difference to how he sees it
    So in a dispute between 2 parties all you need is for one party to think everything is ok for it to be ok?

    And there being intent or not doesn’t change whether something happened or not and he doesn’t deny something happened. He disputed the intent. In law that may or not have avoided a rape conviction - we’ll never know. But there was something not ok about the encounter hence the statement/settlement. (It is also worth considering if today’s perspective on what is ok/not ok is different than it was then).

    I’m not saying he should be vilified - as mark points out he showed what seemed like genuine contrition, etc and it was a long time ago, 2nd chance and all that. However I felt it odd that a lot of the coverage about his death omitted a significant moment in his history

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    Welcome back Coalesce.
    Joining us a Blackwood. No sport?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wazamac View Post
    Welcome back Coalesce.
    Joining us a Blackwood. No sport?
    I never left just have no time to post and am not playing so have little to post about! I don’t see that changing any time soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    However I felt it odd that a lot of the coverage about his death omitted a significant moment in his history
    Thats becaause the one journalist from Washingtin post who did mention it got suspended for doing so. ( see above)
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    Quote Originally Posted by coalesce View Post
    So in a dispute between 2 parties all you need is for one party to think everything is ok for it to be ok?And there being intent or not doesn’t change whether something happened or not and he doesn’t deny something happened. He disputed the intent. In law that may or not have avoided a rape conviction - we’ll never know. But there was something not ok about the encounter hence the statement/settlement. (It is also worth considering if today’s perspective on what is ok/not ok is different than it was then).I’m not saying he should be vilified - as mark points out he showed what seemed like genuine contrition, etc and it was a long time ago, 2nd chance and all that. However I felt it odd that a lot of the coverage about his death omitted a significant moment in his history
    I didn’t mention the dispute. The first sentence of Bryant’s statement you posted says “Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual” You then said it was an admission of a non consensual act. While the rest of his statement acknowledges how she feels he made no such admission. In the post above you also say he denied the intent. You can believe what you want about what happened but to say he admitted it is silly. And the settlement means nothing. If he successfully defended the civil suit there’s probably next to no chance he would have recovered costs. At its most basic it was likely a smart financial decision.


 

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