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2nd September 2008 08:08 AM
#1
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Nudgee Golf Club Redevelopment.
Well subs are due for another year at Nudgee and aside from a newsletter that came out in April I'm pretty much in the dark about how the Gateway Motorway redevelopment will effect my club.
Purely from a selfish once a week golfer point of view I'm not sure if I want to pony up full fees if in a couple of months half of the the South course is gone and we are putting on temporary greens.
G69 has passed on some tidbits to us that he has heard on the grapevine ranging from the club losing the driving range to an aquatic driving range out the front of the proshop.
Maybe I'm overreacting here and maybe the club is still waiting on decisions themselves from Main Roads but some news would be helpful.
Here is the April newsletter.
NEWSLETTER - APRIL 2008
GATEWAY ARTERIAL UPGRADE
At the annual general meeting held in December 2007 the Board advised that the General Manager and I had been in ongoing discussions with Officers from the Department of Main Roads and their Consultants regarding the upgrading of the Gateway Arterial and I indicated that it would be the end of March before further information would be available. Further information has been tabled and we are now entering the next phase of the process.
But first I wish to convey my thanks to all Members for their support of the Board for the past two years and for your vote of confidence in returning the same Board for the current two years. My thanks extend to the “Ordinary” Members, Five Day Members, Lady Members and the Staff who make every effort to make our time at the Club enjoyable.
Back to the future of our Club and golf facilities.
In January Main Roads commissioned four Golf Course Architectural Firms to report on the impacts that could occur if the Department resumes approximately 7 hectares of land from the South Course for the Gateway upgrade. These reports have been tabled and are being reviewed by the Departments Consultants, our General Manager and myself. The Department have not approved the release of the reports to the Club at this point in time.
The confidentiality maintained during the commissioning of the Architects has resulted in four very independent reports addressing the major issues which are:-
The containment of existing facilities in a reduced area of land.
The rearrangement or reduction of facilities.
The acquisition of additional land.
The possible redesign of the golf course.
The reports all conclude that comparable facilities to the existing facilities cannot be contained in a reduced area and that additional land is required if we are to maintain a comparable 36 hole facility.
We have advised the Departments Consultants that the Club has no interest in accepting a reduction to the existing facilities but we would be agreeable to redesign if additional land was available.
I would like to make the comment that discussion about possible course design is not relevant until the Department advises whether additional land is available and the Manager and I have offered the Department a continuing degree of confidentiality while they explore all the options.
We will keep you informed as further information becomes available.
Vern Smerdon
President.
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2nd September 2008 08:15 AM
#2
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Haven't nudgee been gifted a large sum of money for the resumption of the land?
If that is the case, I would expect that to me spent on the remaining facilities to make up for the loss of 9 holes and a bunch of land.
Regardless, the next year or two are certainly going to have a negative impact on the club no matter which way you look at it.
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2nd September 2008 08:19 AM
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2nd September 2008 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by
jarro
Gaz,
so in his educated guess, it could still be a non-event in a couple of years time
The problem is that road will be finished in a years time.
I hope we have been gifted some dough,was'nt someone floating the idea that club was aquiring North Lakes or the management of.?
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2nd September 2008 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by
gazgolf1
The problem is that road will be finished in a years time.
I hope we have been gifted some dough,was'nt someone floating the idea that club was aquiring North Lakes or the management of.?
Still unsure on this ??? Max indicated that the talks he's had with government/council was that they still weren't exactly sure how wide the road was going to be ? Bike lanes and the like have to come into it too
He did say that they would lose quite a fair chunk of the South Course, with the maintenance shed having to go as well.
Originally Posted by sms316
Without rules there is anarchy.
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2nd September 2008 08:33 AM
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Max was quite confident they would do well through the compensation deal as did RQ.
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2nd September 2008 08:44 AM
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2nd September 2008 08:52 AM
#8
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Will the new holes be above or below Sea Level? Global warming must be considered and I would think Nudgee would the first to go?!
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2nd September 2008 08:55 AM
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2nd September 2008 08:56 AM
#10
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They're also waiting to find out how far north Nudgee road will be moved as that may throw up some extra land.
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2nd September 2008 09:20 AM
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I'd start by never trusting someone named "Vern Smerdon"
It sounds like a Simpsons character!
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2nd September 2008 09:22 AM
#12
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Do people ever get pissed and start hitting shots down the runway?
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2nd September 2008 09:41 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by
golfer69
Hitting it down a concrete runway is the only hope you got of knocking it past 200m son.
Thanks for the tip Mr Bylsma
Originally Posted by
Scottt
I'd start by never trusting someone named "Vern Smerdon"
It sounds like a Simpsons character!
Our general manager is actually a dead-ringer for Clancy Wiggum
Originally Posted by
sms316
Do people ever get pissed and start hitting shots down the runway?
No, that would be very silly
Originally Posted by sms316
Without rules there is anarchy.
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2nd September 2008 05:38 PM
#14
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Whats the worry - the Airport course in Bangkok is located in-between the runways.
Gaz, dont worry about the temp greens a clever course designer would always ensure that there are very few of them, if any. When we went through a complete makeover at Emerald Lakes there was normally only 2 temporary greens, (rarely 3) as they would build some new holes, put them in play, before taking old ones out. Obviously Nudgee would have even more flexibility to do that especially if getting new land, as they can build all of those first before carving up the existing course.
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2nd September 2008 05:43 PM
#15
So, is nudgee expensive if only an 18 hole layout for a while??
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2nd September 2008 06:40 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by
gazgolf1
The problem is that road will be finished in a years time.
Sorry, ain't gonna happen that quickly. These things take a lot of time, especially the design phase.
My home club is having some land resumed which will affect the course layout also. The club & members have been well aware of it for quite a few years now and there is still no sign of anything starting any time soon. I heard a whisper that state gov't funding may have been approved in this current financial year. If that is true, then they will only just be starting the design stage and wouldn't actually turn a sod for a minimum of 12 months.
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2nd September 2008 08:02 PM
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Gaz,
It will be interesting because I will be pissed (and have already told Rick) that we joined in Dec and were told the course would stay as 36 holes. I don't think the course would work as 27. The mens comp is full every sat and ladies have 3 hours of tee times on the south course for comp as well. That was one of the reasons we joined (A strong comp field but you are able to book into).
Rick noted a few options depending on funding.
*land on the otherside of the bike path.
*Moving the club to a new site
*A chance of doing another 9 or 18 on the other side of nudgee road? (using a over pass like hope Island?)
He assured me that nudgee would stay 36 holes.... but its not worth much.
I hope they don't screw the course trying to fit 36 holes in without new land, or design on the fly.
I would agree more information would be good.
On a side note I think we will get it before NOMS are due as a bird has told me that they want to start taking land with in the month.
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2nd September 2008 08:08 PM
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3rd September 2008 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by
Courty
Sorry, ain't gonna happen that quickly. These things take a lot of time, especially the design phase.
You not seen the construction creeping from both sides? Nudgee will end up an M1 Spit Roast if it doesn't happen quickly. A little golf course isn't going to stop the bridge from being on time that's for sure.
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3rd September 2008 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by
poidda
You not seen the construction creeping from both sides?
Ummm, no. I don't live in Brisbane.
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3rd September 2008 04:43 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by
Courty
Sorry, ain't gonna happen that quickly. These things take a lot of time, especially the design phase.
Originally Posted by
Courty
Ummm, no. I don't live in Brisbane.
Ummm, if you did, you'd know how quickly things are happening.
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3rd September 2008 06:36 PM
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4th September 2008 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by
Courty
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I'll back my 15 years in civil construction that it isn;t.
According to this, it will be fully open by late 2010. I have a mate who's working on the bridge and he says they are well ahead of schedule.
http://www.gatewayupgradeproject.com...id=5211&id=371
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4th September 2008 07:02 PM
#24
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Yeah but the Gateway bridge is being done by Qld Motorways and that project doesnt extend to the road beside the Nudgee golf course.
The Road adjacent to Nudgee golf club will be upgraded by the Main Roads department, and that project is only in the 'planning study' stage with nothing on the table yet.
I'll back Courty on this one. From what I have seen down this way, you would be looking at a couple of years before they break out the crayons and draw some pictures.
one would think that anybody really concerned about the impact on their club, would use google
http://www.gatewayupgradeproject.com.au/asp/index.asp
http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au/web/...0?OpenDocument
Last edited by markTHEblake; 4th September 2008 at 07:07 PM.
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4th September 2008 07:58 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by
markTHEblake
I'll back Courty on this one. From what I have seen down this way, you would be looking at a couple of years before they break out the crayons and draw some pictures.
Cool,I'll probably be sick of golf in a couple of years and won't care that much.
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