Masters 2007

[Trung]

with plenty of Aussies already in it (including Church Boy).

John Senden is knocking the door, currently at No. 52 in the world after his 2nd placing last weekend.



1. Masters Tournament Champions (Lifetime)
2. US Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
3. British Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
4. PGA Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
5. Winners of The Players Championship (2005 and 2006)
6. Current US Amateur Champion (6-A) (Honorary, non-competing after 1 year) and the runner-up (6-B) to the current US Amateur Champion
7. Current British Amateur Champion (Honorary, non-competing after 1 year)
8. Current US Amateur Public Links Champion
9. Current US Mid-Amateur Champion
10. The first 16 players, including ties, in the 2006 Masters Tournament
11. The first 8 players, including ties, in the 2006 US Open Championship
12. The first 4 players, including ties, in the 2006 British Open Championship
13. The first 4 players, including ties, in the 2006 PGA Championship
14. The 40 leaders on the Final Official PGA Tour Money List for 2006
15. The 10 leaders on the Official PGA Tour Money List published during the week prior to the 2007 Masters Tournament.
16. The 50 leaders on the Final Official World Golf Ranking for 2006.
17. The 50 leaders on the Official World Golf Ranking published during the week prior to the 2007 Masters Tournament

[Jarro]

Exactly how many Aussies are playing in it this year ?

Surely we must be due for a win there mustn't we ;)

[Grunt]

Exactly how many Aussies are playing in it this year ?




Scott
Ogilvy
Allenby
Appleby
O'hern
Pampling
Senden (maybe as trung said)

[3oneday]

The Preacher ?

[Trung]

'Church Boy' or 'The Preacher' is in due to his current ranking.

[Jarro]

Greg Norman not getting an invite this year ??

What a bloody outrage !!!!

[Grunt]

I thought the Aussie Open winner used to get an invite. ?

[goughy]

Maybe when the aussie open was considered important.

[Moe Norman]

In addition to Grunts list Badds.com will be there.

Lonard, Senden & Green also may squeeze a start.

Did Senden makle Top 40 on last years money list, which also gets him a start?

International's holding Open titles often get a start, so its not unlikely.

[Grunt]

Lonard, Senden & Green also may squeeze a start.



Senden might but the only way the others can make it is with wins in the next few weeks.

[Eag's]

Looking forward to this Masters even more than usual.
It is the one major I will watch all 4 days :D

[Grunt]

Did Senden makle Top 40 on last years money list, which also gets him a start?

Senden was ranked 68 on the 31st Dec last year

Only Pampling, Appleby, O'Hern, Scott & Ogilvy were in the top 40 at that time.

[3oneday]

Senden is currently 52 in the world rankings, Richard Green 61. There is time for Senden for sure.

[Jarro]

Is Sendo 52nd AFTER his 3rd place in then last tournament ?

[Grunt]

yes Jarro, he got 2nd too. The final pair both bogied the last.

[BrisVegas]

After his impressive first outing performance, I reckon Ogilvy could be our best chance.

[Iain]

Ogilvy and Badd's.com are our best putters by a long way, so they'd be our best chance.

[Moe Norman]

i wasn't asking about Senden's ranking - if he finsihed top 40 on last years money list he gets a start. Not sure if he did though?


the only way the others can make it is with wins in the next few weeks. Or they get invited. There are discretionary invitations for international players.

[Trung]

with Gay Scott victory at Houston, he must now be a chance to make the cut next week at The Masters.

[3oneday]

with Gay Scott victory at Houston, he must now be a chance to make the cut next week at The Masters.I'd have to say... he's no more gay than you are Trung :p

[AndyP]

Who cares if he is?

[Jarro]

I care ... only because he'd be the first gay-pro-golfer going around on the PGA tour.

..or is there one out there already that has eluded us ???????????

[kpac]

He aint gay, and i'd rate him a chance at augusta, his focus is towards majors this year, you dont really get any more major than the masters, i'll have a few bob on him.
PS: swedish babe girlfriend! not gay.

[Iain]

I care ... only because he'd be the first gay-pro-golfer going around on the PGA tour.

..or is there one out there already that has eluded us ???????????

But why does it matter??

[Courty]

He aint gay, and i'd rate him a chance at augusta, his focus is towards majors this year, you dont really get any more major than the masters, i'll have a few bob on him.
PS: swedish babe girlfriend! not gay.

Pics? 8-)

[chappy1970]

I care ... only because he'd be the first gay-pro-golfer going around on the PGA tour.

..or is there one out there already that has eluded us ???????????

Not wishing that a law suit be brought upon me, but isn't Olazabel a declina?

[Jarro]

But why does it matter??

AndyP, it doesn't bother me at all ... he's still a champion golfer regardless of his sexual preferences.

[3oneday]

anyway... back to the golf :p

Go Vijay :)

[Jarro]

Go Pamps !!!!!!

[kpac]

Go Adam.
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(these lines could go forever....)
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[Moe Norman]

care ... only because he'd be the first gay-pro-golfer going around on the PGA tour.

..or is there one out there already that has eluded us ??????????? A certain two time masters Champion doesn't mind the man-love.

[dc68]

Ole!

[Jarro]

I've heard this rumor before but never really paid much attention to it.

Is it true ?

[marcel]

A certain two time masters Champion doesn't mind the man-love.

Crenshaw?/Watson?/Hogan?/Seve? - you're just teasing now

[Eag's]

2007 Masters final field, good to see badds getting a run ;)
http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.aspx?page=15101&select=22078

[Fishman Dan]

Appleby @ $81 on Sportingbet is a sensational offer. E/W (quarter-dividend) for Top 5 finish.

Badds $81
Allenby $51
Scott / Ogilvy $29
Tiger $2.85

Full Field (http://146.145.120.3/default.asp?c=thegolfchannel&page=golf-m/stat/field.htm)

[Courty]

Appleby @ $81 on Sportingbet is a sensational offer. E/W (quarter-dividend) for Top 5 finish.

Badds $81
Allenby $51
Scott / Ogilvy $29
Tiger $2.85


http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,21497446-23213,00.html

[Fishman Dan]

It wasn't me! :shock:

Ok, a leisurely bet is fine, but there are so many better ways to spend a million bucks. Like Jarro's second hand golf gear for example - there's enough of it!!

[3oneday]

It wasn't me! :shock:

Ok, a leisurely bet is fine, but there are so many better ways to spend a million bucks. Like Jarro's second hand golf gear for example - there's enough of it!!he didn't actually spend a mill ;)

[Eag's]

Holy shit Batman!!, now that is a bet :shock: :shock:
Imagine if Allenby needs to hole a 5 footer on the last for the win, that
bloke better have his brown undies on ;)

[AndyP]

I wonder how many bets this guy has got on the run. $16k would be nothing to him, I'm guessing.

[jimandr]

I'm with Andy on that one.

Anybody putting that much on Allenby is a big punter with lots of other bets happening.

For me, while I'll be reaching for the off switch if the victory speech is on, I reckon Badds is a chance in this. Might back him for the place only. Tiger is terrible value, but it's hard to back against him to win.

[Eag's]

No doubt the bloke is loaded but 16k is still a huge bet (insert stupid) on
one golfer, let alone an Aussie.

[3oneday]

No doubt the bloke is loaded but 16k is still a huge bet (insert stupid) on
one golfer, let alone an Aussie.golf betting I reckon would be the worst form... how many starters are there, 70 ?

I can't pick a greyhound to come first and there's only 8 of them running around.....

If you want value, ask me to go and bet on Tiger, that should be enough ;)

[Fishman Dan]

Some online betting places have rules to make it a little more attractive. Sportingbet give you 1/4 dividend for top 5 finish, whereas Sportsbet.com.au (:roll:) give you money back if your golfer doesn't make the cut.

I've got an account with a mate at Sportingbet which gave us 2 x free $100 bets. We won the first one (Aust vs China soccer @ $2.35), the second one there were less options (horses: Slipper, Doncaster, Sydney Cup) or the Masters. If you win, they take their $100 stake back and leave you with the dividend.

So a free bet to cheer for an Aussie for the weekend. Top 5 makes it 20-1 x $100. Not bad for last weeks runner up!

[Courty]

Lefty's secret weapons (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,21502366-23213,00.html) :roll:

Badd's best bet (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,21500859-23213,00.html) :roll: :roll: :roll:

[peter_rs]

Badds is a dark horse. He always wins (or plays well ;)) when he plays on easter.... must be that Churchie thing :)

[3oneday]

Lefty's secret weapons (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,21502366-23213,00.html) :roll:goes 20 further ? crikeys, now theres the trigger for a stampede to the ProShop if ever I heard one.

Has the FTi actually won on Tour (any) yet ? I know the FT5 has but is anyone half decent actually using these high MOI drivers ?

I noted that Adam Scott jumped straight into a D2 when it took a long time to get him into the R but I haven't seen anyone of note using the D1 either ?

[Courty]

Tee times (http://thesandtrap.com/extras/tap-ins/2007_masters_first-round_tee_times)

Note: Badds.com grouped with Tiger.

[Courty]

Go Aussie!!!

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7715/mastersth5.jpg

[Eag's]

Some tuff scoring early on, especially for the Aussies :(
http://www.golfsurround.com/masters/2007/scoring/index3.html

[Grunt]

Looks as if all the big names are struggling, talk from the commentators that the winning score will be above par.

[goughy]

Looks as if tiger's burnt the edge of the hole a lot today.

[gazgolf1]

Good of Channel 10 to end the coverage with Tiger standing on the 18th tee.:roll:

[kpac]

Coverage on 10 is sh|thouse! is tiger the only bloke playing?? At the start the flick to mickleson to see each of his shots. Scott was in the same group, was playing better, coming off a win, is higher ranked and they dont show 1 of his shots. They watched EVERY shot from tiger, and cut to a break when badds had a put for birdie, tee shots of the group consisted of watching tiger tee off, then go and watch VJ putt. No wonder golf coverage is so heavily criticised by the wider public, it is pathetic!

[Coffs_Hacker]

I agree Kpac - its almost like the coverage is provided by self absessed americans

[Trung]

When are you guys going to realise that it is not C10's coverage?

[gazgolf1]

When are you guys going to realise that it is not C10's coverage?

We know that but I bet CBS did'nt end there coverage with Tiger about to tee of on 18 just because it was 9.00am. :roll:

[kpac]

Anyone see that putt of Darren Clarkes on 17 or 18... ?
Cracker wasn't it!, i've never played on greens with as much break, but i'd love to just for the experience one day!!

[markTHEblake]

Coverage on 10 is sh|thouse! is tiger the only bloke playing??

Sponsors demand that Tiger Woods is the one to be on the camera, otherwise they wont pay, or pay as much. We are stuck with that.

The man is screwing up golf, did anyone read the article recently that sponsors are withdrawing from tournaments if Tiger doesnt play. Recently an event was cancelled on the PGA tour, for that reason, might have been the Canadian Open, becuase Tiger doesnt play there anymore.

And guess what, the tournament replacing it on the schedule is a Tiger Woods funded tournamant. Not that would have been deliberate at all, nor would any of this, but Tiger Woods is beginning to kill the game for the same reasons that he caused such a revival in it years ago

[goughy]

But is it his fault as such??

[Grunt]

The tournament canned was the International. It's the modified Stableford one that was popular with some players but Tiger never played it.

[Grunt]

Looks as if not too many Aussies are going to be playing tomorrow. Adam Scott is in deep trouble, Baddeley & Allenby are definitely not going to be there. Not sure of what the projected cut is. I seem to remember something about 10 shots of the lead for the Masters.

[Jarro]

Does anyone else think that they've tricked up the course a little too much ? Those greens look ridiculously quick :shock:

[Courty]

It's pretty ugly when the best in the world are 3-putting from 3 feet. :???:

[Iain]

Does anyone else think that they've tricked up the course a little too much ? Those greens look ridiculously quick :shock:

They were saying in the coverage, it's the first year its played as they wanted it too, since 2002, as it's rained in the masters week the last few years.

Seems like it's a little too difficult.....

[Pinglauncher]

5 Aussies have made the cut with Apples and Ogilvy sitting very nicely only 3 back.

Disappointing round from Adam Scott but he still makes the cut just on the number.

Excellent finish from Badds to birdie both 17 and 18.

My prediction is + 2 to +3 will win it.

[markTHEblake]

My prediction is + 2 to +3 will win it.

too high. to win it will need -2

[Grunt]

My winning score is about +1 or even. Unless it rains in the next 2 days, then the scores will be lower by lots, 2 or 3 under.

[Pinglauncher]

too high. to win it will need -2

Commentary this morning was saying the course would continue to dry with freshening winds and I would think the weekend pins will be even more difficult.

Leading Aussie - Geoff Ogilvy ?????

[kpac]

Adam could play a typical great TWO rounds and finish close to the top, because i recon even par will take it this year. But interesting watching. It must be an AMAZINGLY hard course, could you imagine our scores if the very best cant find the red numbers...

[3oneday]

+4

[Fishman Dan]

Appleby at +1 with a bogey on the final par 5 (17th?).

Not bad for an $81 starter. Another round of 70 or 69 for anyone in the top 2-dozen will put them in great position for the final day.

Mickelson's 2-driver routine is the most laughable 'tactic' ever seen. He's kidding himself. He should just be blasting at every green and relying on his awesome short game to rescue himself.

[Moe Norman]

doesn't look any more tricked up than it has post the 2002 butchering.

just playing nice classic firm and fast and these blokes aren't used to it.

[goughy]

I don't really enjoy watching pro's ge4t butchered. These guys are the best of the best. Only 4 under par today. If I wanted to watch guys score like me I"ll go down to m club. But I think I said this last year at the us open.

Oh well, watch out for tiger. Everyone is letting him get closer and closer to the front.

[Jarro]

I agree with Goughy, i don't really enjoy watching the worlds best struggle on wickedly fast greens either :roll:

[Grunt]

Appleby going OK at 1 under and is the current leader by 2

[Eag's]

It would be nice if they had some rain over night but that
looks unlikely. Watching those guys standing over 4 footers crapping themselves
says it all :shock:

Still great to see an Aussie leading :smt023

[Courty]

*yawn* Go Apples!

[Courty]

:shock: Ogilvy just put 2 in the water on 15 for a train-wreck 9. What's worse is that he eagled 13 to move into 6th place.

[Eag's]

:shock: Ogilvy just put 2 in the water on 15 for a train-wreck 9. What's worse is that he eagled 13 to move into 6th place.

Yep then bogeys 16 & 17 :(
Now Apples makes triple at 17 nooooooooooooooooooo!!!:(

[Grunt]

How were those 2 putts Appleby had on 17? he taps it and it rolls 10 foot past.

[Moe Norman]

that was a horrible tee shot, take your medicine and play for a 5 though Apples!

[Speirsy11]

Did 10 seriously just cut away from the Masters in the middle of an interview with the only Aussie in contention to show cartoons? Are the retarded? Who is running that place, Daffy Duck?

Pull your head out 10. ****ing amateurs.

[Courty]

Did 10 seriously just cut away from the Masters in the middle of an interview with the only Aussie in contention to show cartoons? Are the retarded? Who is running that place, Daffy Duck?

Pull your head out 10. ****ing amateurs.

Yes, yes, probably.

Agreed. :evil:

[Pinglauncher]

So, will anyone beat Tiger now.

2 rounds bogeying 17 and 18. Won't happen tomorrow.

[Speirsy11]

So, will anyone beat Tiger now.

2 rounds bogeying 17 and 18. Won't happen tomorrow.

And he's in the last group.......I know that because I checked the internet as I couldn't see it on TV

[Moe Norman]

he's never won a major without the 54 hole lead before - hopefully it remains that way.

[markTHEblake]

Interesting comment they said, the winner has come from the final pairing every masters since 1991.

[Eag's]

Should be a hell of a day tomorrow with 17 players within 5 of the lead :shock:
Go Apples!!! ;)

[Grunt]

For shots of the Masters so far, Westwood's chip in has to be up there. Not sure what hole but it has been shown all day on the Free to air TV.

[kwantfm]

Pinglauncher's prediction on winning score is looking more and more accurate.

Good luck to Appleby... class guy and it would be a hell of a story for the grand kids if he could face down the greatest golfer in history on a Sunday at the Masters.

Finally, anyone else think that Justin Rose has the most pure swing in golf... I could watch him swing for hours.

[marcel]

Finally, anyone else think that Justin Rose has the most pure swing in golf... I could watch him swing for hours.

I'll see your Justin and raise you Luke Donald.........plus he plays Mizuno, must be a hell of a bloke.

[kwantfm]

I'll see your Justin and raise you Luke Donald.........plus he plays Mizuno, must be a hell of a bloke.

I like Luke Donald's swing too... but apparently he can't hit it out of his shadow. I know it's one dimensional but Rose has the game to become a dominant player but Donald probably doesn't simply because of the power component.

[jimandr]

I wonder if they'll water the greens overnight to make them more playable. Some of the pins were impossible today, and the traditional Sunday pin positions might be worse if the ball won't stop on the greens.

I think it is one of the hardest tourneys to pick the winner that I've seen. If it is as hard yesterday as it was today, 4 over will be good enough. If someone down the field posts that score, it will be really difficult for the leaders to par the last 5 holes to match it.

This event reminds me of the 2004 US Open, with similar greens. Retief and Mickelson are both at plus 6, still in the hunt. Just a thought.

I must admit that I prefer to watch golfers trying to make birdies to win, not scrambling for pars.

[kwantfm]

I must admit that I prefer to watch golfers trying to make birdies to win, not scrambling for pars.

I totally agree... this is why I've traditionally most enjoyed the Masters and the PGA as well as British Opens like the 1990. I've always really disliked the US Open for this very reason.

[3oneday]

I wonder if they'll water the greens overnight to make them more playable.no, don't reckon they will.


I must admit that I prefer to watch golfers trying to make birdies to win, not scrambling for pars.they want the golf course to be the winner, remember they did Tiger proof it unsuccessfully. They might just succeed this time.

And if they dont water, my +4 might be too high ;)

[Pinglauncher]

Finally, anyone else think that Justin Rose has the most pure swing in golf... I could watch him swing for hours.

I'm with you T, it is a sublime golf swing. Does not look a confident putter though.

[AndyP]

I must admit that I prefer to watch golfers trying to make birdies to win, not scrambling for pars.
I don't watch much golf, but I watched the Foxtel replay this arvo. I don't think watching these guys hit balls that roll back into the water or putt miles past a hole is very entertaining. I'd much rather see them carving it up with amazing shots.

I can't believe how much Appleby screwed up the 17th. Crap T-shot, didn't clear the bunker lip from a fairway bunker, left some work from a greenside bunker then 3-putted.
If only he had those couple of shots up his sleeve.

[BrisVegas]

Any chance Apples could swing by a barber tonight and tidy himself up a bit. He looks a disgrace.

Having said that. Go Apples!!

[3oneday]

Any chance Apples could swing by a barber tonight and tidy himself up a bit. He looks a disgrace.

Having said that. Go Apples!!Every time I saw him I thought of Greg Norman :shock:

[Jarro]

He's looking very old all of a sudden :shock:

[BrisVegas]

wonder if he's balding? You often see that when guys start losing it upstairs, they over compensate with the hair they still have... Think Andre Agassi... Tiger's got it right. Keep it short and/or keep a hat on.

[markTHEblake]

I don't think watching these guys hit balls that roll back into the water or putt miles past a hole is very entertaining.

Welcome to Augusta, thats what it has always been like. (in our lifetimes)

[Moe Norman]

Welcome to Augusta, thats what it has always been like. (in our lifetimes) Didn't Tiger shoot 270 there only 10 years ago?

[Jarro]

Welcome to Augusta, thats what it has always been like. (in our lifetimes)

Don't think the greens have been quite this quick for a while though have they ???

[Eag's]

Looks like we will go another year without an Aussie winning :(
How about Woods snapping his 5 iron around that tree :shock:
He is now 2 behind lookout.

[Moe Norman]

johnson stiffs it at 16, he holes that and pars home it will be tough to beat posting even.

i want goosen or Rose to win now apples looks gone.

[markTHEblake]

Don't think the greens have been quite this quick for a while though have they ???

not that long, i think we have gotten used to Tiger Woods playing it so easily. you blokes might not remember but John Huston 5 putted the 18th from 3 foot around 1983 - greens were bloody fast then too.


p.s. Another one for the team - Go God's squad.

[gazgolf1]

Bloody god botherers. ;)

[marcel]

p.s. Another one for the team - Go God's squad.

I thought he/she was omnipresent, how come Badds was abandoned while Zach was looked after?

[Fishman Dan]

He was doing so well until he dropped the J-word. I suppose Jebus was looking after him when he 3-putted from 3 feet yesterday?

Not excuses for Appleby's failure with red figures all over the course. He should have been in it down the stretch.

[Eag's]

How about the ch 10 coverage?
Bloody worse than 9 I thought :smt013
They kept missing vital shots or that dickbrain who ever he was
kept talking over the top of the people who actually new what they
were talking about.

How many bloody shots did we get of bridges!!
And to top it off, in the middle of an interview yesterday with Apples
they pull the pin on the coverage to go to a kids show :smt093

[marcel]

Not excuses for Appleby's failure with red figures all over the course. He should have been in it down the stretch.

after a shocking start his play from 5 - 11 was terrific, as far as I could tell allowing for the disjointed telecast at least as good as anyone going, then along came 12. Really thought he was going to win til then

[gazgolf1]

I thought he/she was omnipresent, how come Badds was abandoned while Zach was looked after?

Have you seen the jugs on Badd's wife?......he's been looked after. ;)

[markTHEblake]

I thought he/she was omnipresent, how come Badds was abandoned while Zach was looked after?

Badds tee time was too early, so he missed church today.

[Fishman Dan]

after a shocking start his play from 5 - 11 was terrific, as far as I could tell allowing for the disjointed telecast at least as good as anyone going, then along came 12. Really thought he was going to win til then

He was hanging in there, but missing birdie putts that he could/should have made, and making long par-putts when required. He needed to make a longer putt or two but didn't really give the hole much of a scare.

[goughy]

Was as boring as bat shit to watch. Sorry to say that. But to me it was. I've taped every day so far and deleted days one and 2 yesterday. Still have day 3 and today, but I doubt I'll get around to bothering to watch them.

Annoying to only get 4 golf pga golf tourneys to watch a year and the first and probably the second will be like this.

Not trying to knock Zach. He played the best total over 4 rounds and deserved to win it for that reason. But even when everyone was bunched together there was no excitement in watching it. Luckily there was cricket on too. What about that not controlled catch to dismiss Symonds that wasn't. Now that was something interesting to watch. Especially when followed with a 6.

[Fishman Dan]

I can't say that having 5 or so players with a chance down the stretch was boring as bat shit, but it says a lot about the crappy US production.

[goughy]

Watching to see if guys don't make bogey rather than going for birdie is boring to me. I only ended up watching while flicking from the cricket. When the cricket was over it was tiling time!

[Moe Norman]

johnson shot a closing 69 and made crucial birdies at 15 and 16. Tiger made eagle at 13, it was the most exciting of the 4 days.

Shame we spent most of it watching Drummond golf ads.

[kpac]

ads every three shot was the only thing bad about the golf this morning.
I'd far prefer to see the worlds best struggling to play to par than, being in cruise controll and knocking in birdies all the time! When the whole field is sinking birdies on a regular basis, it is boring as batshit. Whatching very best shots ONLY being rewarded is good watching i say...

[Trung]

I was watching it at LA, not many ads with domestic US coverage.

must have been channel 10 recouping for rights to the Masters.

[Ducky]

Well, we all knew that the coverage provided by Channel 10 would be poor, and of course, they didn't disappoint. Advertisements being shown (literally) every three shots is enough to make you want to change the channel. However, I still found the golf exciting to watch even if the scoring wasn't as low as we were accustomed to.

[Speirsy11]

I was watching it at LA, not many ads with domestic US coverage.

must have been channel 10 recouping for rights to the Masters.

ANGC regulates the amount of comercials in the domestic telecasts to no more than 3 minutes per hour.......No such luck down here.....

Channel 10 was weak beyond belief....

[Trung]

Spreirsy,

It's 4 mins per every hour.

[Speirsy11]

Spreirsy,

It's 4 mins per every hour.

Yep.

Typo

[jimandr]

Once again I'm thankful for watching the Fox Sports replay, where they obviously edit out the worst of the ad breaks.

I thought it was by far the best day of play. I don't know whether they did anything to the greens, but they were definitely more playable.

A couple of 'non-traditional' pins were also an indicator that they didn't want to make it as hard as it was yesterday.

I wonder where Zach Johnson will go from here. I've always thought of him as a run of the mill good to average US Pro in the mould of Scott Verplank or Chad Campbell.

I can't see him making the step to the next level and winning more majors, but good luck to him. He played the best golf when there was a tournament there to be won. He's now a major winner. There aren't many in the club.

[Moe Norman]

I wonder where Zach Johnson will go from here. Probably the same place Micheel, Curtis and Mike Weir went.

Although is credentials aren't terrible, he certainly slayed them on the junior tours.

[reg320]

Fair Dinkum you blokes complaining about the telecast - MANUP!!! Ha Ha!

[Moe Norman]

show him the dimples

[Speirsy11]

Probably the same place Micheel, Curtis and Mike Weir went.

Although is credentials aren't terrible, he certainly slayed them on the junior tours.

Curtis won twice on tour last year and Weir has won at least once every year since then save one........I wouldn't say they have had bad careers by any eans. Ben Curtis had an interesting opportunity that most young players don't when he won the British......

When he won it he was automatically exempt for 5 years.....No worries about keeping his card, keeping status, money, etc. This gave him the chance to work hard on his faults without concern for losing his card and playing status on TOUR. Most young guys who get out there have to work on things in bouts to avoid going south and losing their job. Curtis struggled through a huge overhaul and has come through it as a very good player (some would argue that he is the best American player under 30.....and I can't think of more than 1-2 guys who would be in the discussion)......

[Moe Norman]

I'm merel saying he will be a solid tour player in years to come, but like the other three I doubt he'll win another major. Throw Beem in there as well.

As for best yank under 30 - Curtis as a major winner gets up there, but what about the likes of Charles Howell III, Lucas Glover, Matteson and O'Hair?

Would you agree that perhaps the best 10 players in the World under 30 are all NOT american?

[Speirsy11]

Would you agree that perhaps the best 10 players in the World under 30 are all NOT american?

Absolutely........I'd say the top 5-6 100% and maybe the top 10.....This year you could get Howell III into the argument, but last year no way......That being said, Howell has only won twice, Matteson has won once, O'Hair once, Glover once? Curtis trumps them all with 4 wins including a major.....but there are still plenty of internationals that you'd rank higher......