Holden Scramble - Macarthur Grange 30th September 2007

[Grunt]

Hi all

Sydney OzGolfers, Are any of you keen to have a go at the Holden Scramble again this year? No idea where but I reckon the rule changes have made the game a bit more even. They have made it that if you have your shot selected you are excluded from the next shot. Should make it less chance for the groups that have the 45 marker lady in the team purely for handicap and 3 tee shots. Here are the new rulings from the Holden Scramble website.

The rule/format changes are as follows;

- All team members tee off each hole
- The team then chooses the shot they are going to use
- The golfer whose shot is taken as a result of the tee shot is eliminated from participating in the next shot - however a player is only eliminated for the particular shot following his/her selected shot
- This process continues up until the ball is holed out with one person being eliminated for each shot, including putts, meaning only two players play each shot, excepting the tee shot
- All three players tee off the next hole and the elimination process begins again
- The eliminated player cannot take a practice shot or putt during the time they are eliminated
- Three tee shots per player rule to remain in place

The website says that the ruling were to speed up play and get the round over a bit quicker.




So who's keen?

NSW OzGolf Team 1
3oneday 4
TS 12
Grunt 19

Team Handicap 5.83

NSW OzGolf Team 2
Jono 9
Pinglauncher 15
Pinglaungher Jnr 16

Team Handicap 6.67

NSW OzGolf Team 3 (pencil)
Jimandr
?
?

[peter_rs]

I think it will effect teams who rely on a low marker all the time.


I think it will be hard to police

[Grunt]

Not when the other group is there. I think it is a great idea. Number one rule in golf is not to cheat.

[3oneday]

Not when the other group is there. at a club I know of mates played in 2 groups together, and both qualified everytime :p

Only fair way for this format to ever succeed without the innuendo is by having a draw for each event.

[Grunt]

Wasn't asking if you want to cheat in it. I was asking who is interested in playing.

[3oneday]

Wasn't asking if you want to cheat in it. I was asking who is interested in playing.stupidest post of the year candidate, keep em coming.

No

[terryand]

Pass too.....No, why not, I'll come down and cheat with you Grunt :-s

Terry,

[Fishman Dan]

Do you win a Holden?

[goughy]

Andys taken, but there might be a couple of kids up for grabs!! :)

[AndyP]

I'll get back to you tomorrow morning.

[jimandr]

Considering how badly we got thrashed by the 'dragons' at Mac Grange last year, and that I said I'd never go in one again, I feel a bit silly by saying that I'm ready to have another go this year.

Could be lots of pressure shots with only two players eligible to play shots over water carries or with out of bounds beckoning.

I think Peter is right. The scratch player won't be so valuable in this format, and the hacker off 32 may be a genuine liability.

I'm sure Grant will be keeping a close eye on the Scramble website for attractive dates.

[Trung]

I'm not keen

[AndyP]

With those rules, there will be a few less than perfect drives chosen, so the good player can still play the approach shot.

[Grunt]

I think Peter is right. The scratch player won't be so valuable in this format, and the hacker off 32 may be a genuine liability.

I actually think these changes make the need for a balanced side more important, ie. 3 golfers of similar ability, maybe all b graders or high end a graders. Guess that means I may be the liabilty to the side yet again even though I have improved since last year.


With those rules, there will be a few less than perfect drives chosen, so the good player can still play the approach shot.

I have actually thought too, I reckon it will be way more tactical. Same thing goes for the putting. I think there will be more discussion about the feelings of each player in regards to the putt they are more comfortable with.

[peter_rs]

With those rules, there will be a few less than perfect drives chosen, so the good player can still play the approach shot.

A chip out is still a chip out :). even if the good player can get it close to the green the other players have try and get it up (& down) or hole the birdie putts. I don't think the scores will be as low this year.

When each group gets a pro the low marker will be opened up.

[terryand]

A chip out is still a chip out :). even if the good player can get it close to the green the other players have try and get it up (& down) or hole the birdie putts. I don't think the scores will be as low this year.

When each group gets a pro the low marker will be opened up.

Got this wrong Pete.

A chip out is still a wuss out :mrgreen:

Terry.

[AndyP]

A chip out is still a chip out :).
By less than perfect, I meant not long and centre. Maybe a few club lengths shorter and in the rough.

[peter_rs]

I have seen groups try and play from water instead of taking the penalty because they had to take the tee shot

[Choppa]

Well I played in the Miriam Vale scramble on the weekend under these rules and it certainly is a leveller, but it's not enjoyable at all. I reckon I only played 40 shots all round and 18 were tee shots. I was dead set bored sh!tless by the end of the day.

Something needed to be done to even up this event, but I think these rules will stop a lot of people from coming back.

[Fishman Dan]

Well they tried making it fair and honest but that didn't seem to work. If only some people would play for fun....

[jimandr]

Well I played in the Miriam Vale scramble on the weekend under these rules and it certainly is a leveller, but it's not enjoyable at all. I reckon I only played 40 shots all round and 18 were tee shots. I was dead set bored sh!tless by the end of the day.

Something needed to be done to even up this event, but I think these rules will stop a lot of people from coming back.

That can happen in any Ambrose/Scramble.

What was the winning score?

[Choppa]

That can happen in any Ambrose/Scramble.

What was the winning score?

No, if you play a normal ambrose you get to play all "65" shots at least. Whereas in the new format you are excluded from all shots after yours is used.....much more boring.

I don't know what the winning score was as I took off. Although I didn't hear of a single score out there under par (remember this was Miriam Vale too).

[Grunt]

Macarthur Grange Holden Scramble
Sunday 30th September
Morning tee off - Shot gun start if numbers build up, otherwise tee times will be from 6:30 until around 10:30. Have been promised that last years debacle will not happen. No other bookings for the course that day.

[Grunt]

Anyone keen? Anyone have a spot for a guy to drag your handicap up, 18 marker.

Jono & TS sounded keen to have another go tonight, not sure who would join their team for connico though.

[Fishman Dan]

The Scramble is on this weekend at Gordon, although not sure what's going to happen if the rain stays all week as forecast. I got a call from a fairly new member I've played with a couple of times and got recruited - he's off 14 and his son off 27. He's only a young bloke but hopefully we can use some of his drives on the par 3's.

I figure with the new rules it's almost like a Foursomes event, I'm not sure how effective the young bloke will be. It will handy as the following weekend is Foursomes.

[BrisVegas]

The Holden scramble is a hollow shell of what it used to be. I'm conscientiously objecting.

i remember back in the day...... 1992 Scramble at Goondiwindi, the local Holden dealer rolled out a stack of new holdens and parked them all around the course. I don't know if I was more excited about the golf or the new "worlds most aerodynamic production car" Holden Calibra....

[goughy]

I could kind of understand the 2 groups of 3 thing, trying to stop cheating I guess. But this new can't hit your own shot thing is crap. I've never played one and never will by the looks of it. Ambrose is pretty much set up for sandbagging. Get over it.

[Grunt]

Bump

Holden Scramble
Sunday 30th September
Macarthur Grange Country Club

Anyone still keen to play in this event this year? Plenty of time for us to sort out a few teams if enough OzGolfers are keen.

[Fishman Dan]

Is that the October long weekend? Usually in Casino but perhaps not this year with recent developments. I'll keep it in mind.

[Grunt]

Yeah Dan it is the October long weekend, did not even cross my mind that is was that weekend.

[TS]

I will play if there are other ozgolfers want to form a team.

[3oneday]

I'll play with ya Tony ;) Give me a couple of days to check I will be here but if my wife hasn't organised me that far in advance I'll give it a go :)

[Grunt]

OK 1st Team selected
3oneday
TS
Grunt

Any one else want to form a team.

[3oneday]

Think they would move it to Saturday for us ? My wife has decided to have my daughters first bday that weekend, something about her brother being in town from Wales or something :roll:

Standby, trying to get a Satdy 5th bday party moved so that we can have ours Satdy !!!

Either that, or a 6am hitoff on the Sunday ?

[Grunt]

Ok is everyone still keen? TS? 3oneday?

Also anyone else want to form a team? Would be good to get 2 teams. I will try and get final details on Sunday from the club.

[3oneday]

Grant,

I reorganised my daughters birthday party for this one :)

P

[Grunt]

Any other interested players? Jono is keen but needs 2 players with a handicap higher than 9.5.
Jim was a little keen but also needs 2 players over 9.5

[3oneday]

Jono was on 9 ? the amount he plays, he could play with Jim by then ;)




Joke Jono :)

[Grunt]

Would not be a bad thing if Jono actually played in comps and put cards in.;)

[Grunt]

Captain just told me he did not know it was on. :shock: He said he would call me tomorrow after he rings the Holden Scramble people to make sure it is still on. The management change was blamed for the error.:roll:

[Pinglauncher]

Any other interested players? Jono is keen but needs 2 players with a handicap higher than 9.5.
Jim was a little keen but also needs 2 players over 9.5

I would not mind having a go if another team is put together and I am sure Nathan would play. So that is 2 choppers up for the task.

[Grunt]

1st Team
3oneday
TS
Grunt 19

Team Handicap

2nd Team
Jono 9
Pinglauncher 15
Pinglauncher jnr 16


Team Handicap 7.00

[Grunt]

Pete & Tony what are your Handicaps?
Just trying to work out our Team Handicap.

[amanda]

Grant - perhaps you can add Pinglauncher Jnr into team 2?

[Grunt]

opps missed that post edit.

[Grunt]

Amanda, yourself and Brad would be good partners for Jim.

[TS]

Pete & Tony what are your Handicaps?
Just trying to work out our Team Handicap.

Grant. I am on 12, I think Pete is on 4.

[Grunt]

Thanks Tony.

[Jono]

Grant. I am on 12, I think Pete is on 4.

I believe Pete is off 6.

Grant, I'm not a definite starter for this event at this stage. I should be able to confirm in the next week or two.

[amanda]

Grant - I'll ask brad about it tonight. Any idea on the cost?

[Grunt]

No Idea at the moment Amanda. Yesterday is was $31 including cart for the boys.

[3oneday]

Scramble is usually more than normal isn't it ?

I am on 6, could be 7 by then :(, or 5 :)

[Grunt]

So has interest in this been Canned after last weekend? I actually have no response from the club to confirm it is even on at this stage. There are no other Sydney Clubs having an event that day.

Here is the list of games in NSW for September
http://www.pga.org.au/default.aspx?s=holdenscrambleevents&et=-1&state=5&month=9&year=2007

[TS]

So has interest in this been Canned after last weekend? I actually have no response from the club to confirm it is even on at this stage.

Grant. Stop being so negative. I said I will play the scramble with you, and I haven't come out and said I won't play.

So I am playing unless you changed your mind.

[Grunt]

TS, Pete said in thread about Sunday's game, that playing the scramble there may be a bad thing. I was only asking.

[3oneday]

Tony,

Both Jono and myself thought we could find a better more enjoyable course to play it on, rather than the current condition that MacGrange is in.

Still happy to play in a scramble, looking forward to it, but the fairways are running 50+ metres sideways as there is no grass on them to hold the ball :shock:

Anyway, opened up for discussion.

Pete :)

[TS]

I am happy to play anywhere, whatever you guys decide is fine with me.

[Grunt]

If that is the only date everyone is free it is the only option.
I am not off any other weekends in September. There are a couple of midweek/Friday games locally but not sure how many of you guys can play midweek games. I will go with the majority.

[3oneday]

Pros

A good day out with fellow Ozgolfers

Cons

Fairways and green surrounds are in disgraceful condition. A preferred lie is pointless, there's no grass and half the time you can't see if you are on the fairway or not anyway !

For me, I am happy to wait until October to play in one somewhere Grant. Any weekends free then ?

[Grunt]

Scramble finals in October, not sure of many games available.

[Grunt]

Leonay on the 1st October is the last Sydney Holden Scramble.

[TS]

Leonay on the 1st October is the last Sydney Holden Scramble.

Grant. Can't play Oct 1. Most likely I can't play as it is the second round for Club Championship qualifying. Unless I shot 100 in the first round so I don't have to brother about the 2nd round.

[Grunt]

Have to also factor in the fact that most clubs would be well organised and they may even mean they are already fully booked for their rounds. Remember that all the professional scramble players that have not qualified yet would be having another go at getting to the regional finals. I know of a group of guys that are having their 3rd go at qualifying this week.

[3oneday]

Remember that all the professional scramble players that have not qualified yet would be having another go at getting to the regional finals.sad state of affairs isn't it.... must cost them a fortune in fees.

I forgot that October is Champs month at most places :(

Why don't we set a goal of playing in a couple next year, we can become pro scramblers as well 8)

:lol:

[Grunt]

Spoken with TS & Pete , our game is cancelled. I will keep you up to date with details if you are still keen, Pinglauncher.

[Pinglauncher]

Spoken with TS & Pete , our game is cancelled. I will keep you up to date with details if you are still keen, Pinglauncher.

I may have to cancel as well. Nathan has Encourage Shield again this year and we think it is starting in the next few weeks. They normally have them playing practice matches leading up to the start.