Lockdown again in Vic

[JoeS]

This sh1t is doing my head in.I am having a problem coming to terms with being told we can't play golf again, and now we are on a cerfuw.Someone needs to run Dan the dictator out of office

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[markTHEblake]

Toot to Boot!

[Toxic]

This sh1t is doing my head in.I am having a problem coming to terms with being told we can't play golf again, and now we are on a cerfuw.Someone needs to run Dan the dictator out of officeSent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk Hey bud,I'm not a lockdown fan, but it isn't Dan's fault.Morons everywhere who choose to think of themselves oly

[Captain Nemo]

This sh1t is doing my head in.I am having a problem coming to terms with being told we can't play golf again, and now we are on a cerfuw.Someone needs to run Dan the dictator out of office

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Didnt he get voted in recently?

[AndyP]

You should move to Sydney. They are still playing golf.

[Toolish]

This sh1t is doing my head in.I am having a problem coming to terms with being told we can't play golf again, and now we are on a cerfuw.Someone needs to run Dan the dictator out of office

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This whole Dictator Dan spin is bullshit. He is not making decisions on his own, it is group decisions. Just because you don't agree does not make him a dictator.

If ****wits did the right thing and more people actually cared about the community as a whole instead of being obsessed with looking afternumber 1 the rules wouldn't have to be made.

Are you vaccinated?

[JoeS]

This whole Dictator Dan spin is bullshit. He is not making decisions on his own, it is group decisions. Just because you don't agree does not make him a dictator.

If ****wits did the right thing and more people actually cared about the community as a whole instead of being obsessed with looking afternumber 1 the rules wouldn't have to be made.

Are you vaccinated?Double Pfizer jabbed, doesn't make a difference

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[JoeS]

This whole Dictator Dan spin is bullshit. He is not making decisions on his own, it is group decisions. Just because you don't agree does not make him a dictator.

If ****wits did the right thing and more people actually cared about the community as a whole instead of being obsessed with looking afternumber 1 the rules wouldn't have to be made.

Are you vaccinated?Are you vaccinated.It doesn't really matter and I don't actually care, I care about some sort of freedom after towing the line and getting my jabs.
Bunnings, Coles , golf?

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[markTHEblake]

Morons everywhere who choose to think of themselves oly

what does that mean? Covid doesnt know who are morons and who are not.

[Toolish]

Are you vaccinated.It doesn't really matter and I don't actually care, I care about some sort of freedom after towing the line and getting my jabs.
Bunnings, Coles , golf?

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I asked because a lot of people are anti lockdown but also carry on about masks, vaccines, QR codes etc.

Good on you for doing what you can to help come out of lockdown and not just whining like a lot seem to. For me second doze of Pfizer coming Friday. They can't fairly open up to vaccinated people until everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated.

I think anyone who chooses not to vaccinate should sign a form similar to a Do Not Resuscitate so if they have COVID issues they don't tie up the medical system. They should also be removed from the target vaccination rates. So 70% of the eligible population who want the be vaccinated done becomes the first goal.

I am converned that anti vaxxers are going to delay the whole thing!

[JoeS]

I asked because a lot of people are anti lockdown but also carry on about masks, vaccines, QR codes etc.

Good on you for doing what you can to help come out of lockdown and not just whining like a lot seem to. For me second doze of Pfizer coming Friday. They can't fairly open up to vaccinated people until everyone has had a chance to be vaccinated.

I think anyone who chooses not to vaccinate should sign a form similar to a Do Not Resuscitate so if they have COVID issues they don't tie up the medical system. They should also be removed from the target vaccination rates. So 70% of the eligible population who want the be vaccinated done becomes the first goal.

I am converned that anti vaxxers are going to delay the whole thing!I watched some cricket from England on the weekend, probably why I can't understand people not getting the jab.Sitting out in the sun, drinking beer and having a good time.
We live in the hotspot for covid in Australia, and so many people deny it exists.Even when people are dying from it.


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[markTHEblake]

I think anyone who chooses not to vaccinate should sign a form similar to a Do Not Resuscitate so if they have COVID issues they don't tie up the medical system. Thats a fair point, I will vote for that. Also no medicare funded treatments for all self inflicted medical conditions caused by smoking, drugs, alcohol and obesity as these all tie up the medical system.
If people choose to put themselves at risk, then they shouldnt be the taxpayers burden.

[WBennett]

Its a great question Joe.

90% of adults in the UK have had one shot, almost 80% two shots.

Death rates are now very low compared to the height of the pandemic.

In Australia, we haven't come to the conclusion that there is an acceptable death rate. Who wants to sacrifice their Mum, Dad or Granny to open up?

What is the way out? I don't have the answer. At this stage it looks like Vaccination, vaccination, vaccination, and perhaps a PM with courage to say that the strategy we had for 0 unavoidable deaths is no longer valid, and we will need to accept there will be human collateral damage.

[Ron Burgundy]

The strategy is pretty straightforward. As soon as supply of vaccines outstrips demand open the joint up. Then it’s just a matter of get the vax or get dead.

[Captain Nemo]

The strategy is pretty straightforward. As soon as supply of vaccines outstrips demand open the joint up. Then it’s just a matter of get the vax or get dead.

100%

[Captain Nemo]

Joe, I feel for you I really do.
Vic has probably copped it the worst of everyone the past 12 months….
Heed the advice do the right thing.
If you want to hear something stupid……
Most on here know how close I live to my club, in fact I can’t finish a stubby on the walk home it’s that close!
But because across a major road it becomes an LGA hotspot I can’t access the club!
Had a look at timesheets probably 50 a day if that, only those in the LGA and 5km radius are allowed to play etc…
Talk about ****ing craziness, but that’s the way it is!
And what about all those out of work, close by that can’t play and are still paying full whack subs for the privilege!
I miss it, I miss losing my money to the old burglars, having 4 schooners after whilst having a yarn, practice, whatever but that’s just the world we are in atm…..
Hold on, ride it out!

[sms316]

Joe, I feel for you I really do. Vic has probably copped it the worst of everyone the past 12 months….Heed the advice do the right thing.If you want to hear something stupid……Most on here know how close I live to my club, in fact I can’t finish a stubby on the walk home it’s that close! But because across a major road it becomes an LGA hotspot I can’t access the club! Had a look at timesheets probably 50 a day if that, only those in the LGA and 5km radius are allowed to play etc…Talk about ****ing craziness, but that’s the way it is! And what about all those out of work, close by that can’t play and are still paying full whack subs for the privilege! I miss it, I miss losing my money to the old burglars, having 4 schooners after whilst having a yarn, practice, whatever but that’s just the world we are in atm…..Hold on, ride it out! I’m the only person in the clubhouse, with a full bar at my disposal. It takes all of my self control not to drink before 10am.

[Captain Nemo]

I’m the only person in the clubhouse, with a full bar at my disposal. It takes all of my self control not to drink before 10am.

Lol, I drove past earlier, should have popped in for a lunchtime bevy

[WBennett]

I’m the only person in the clubhouse, with a full bar at my disposal. It takes all of my self control not to drink before 10am. I can see my course from my living room.Its closed for the foreseeable future Its looking very lush and green.

[Captain Nemo]

I can see my course from my living room.Its closed for the foreseeable future Its looking very lush and green.

Why is it closed?
you in full lockdown there?

[sms316]

I can see my course from my living room.Its closed for the foreseeable future Its looking very lush and green. I can drive 77km to go to work. Can’t touch a club. Might as well perform some quality control.

[WBennett]

Why is it closed?you in full lockdown there? Yep. Started Thursday, around 50 cases all up but in schools and TAFE systems.We are hoping we get out by September 2nd. Which year is the next question.

[Captain Nemo]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210817/cfc93642b216d49c68b884ade62511e6.jpg
Well there you go, best I not sneak in for some practice! [emoji51]


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[Captain Nemo]

Yep. Started Thursday, around 50 cases all up but in schools and TAFE systems.We are hoping we get out by September 2nd. Which year is the next question.

Ahhhh, hadn’t heard I’ve stopped watching the news weeks ago…..


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[mrbluu]

Most on here know how close I live to my club, in fact I can’t finish a stubby on the walk home it’s that close!

So you're a fast walking slow drinker??

[Captain Nemo]

So you're a fast walking slow drinker??

Fast walker, speedy they call me!

[sms316]

Fast walker, speedy they call me!
That second word is a typo, right?

[Peppas]

I can drive 77km to go to work. Can’t touch a club. Might as well perform some quality control. Didnt realise you're working in Sydney now, a mate posted a screenshot of one of your club messages and I thought the name looked familiar.

[mrbluu]

That second word is a typo, right?Capital A?

[sms316]

Didnt realise you're working in Sydney now, a mate posted a screenshot of one of your club messages and I thought the name looked familiar.
Sweet. I'm famous.

Yeah since Australia Day last year. Six weeks in and world shit itself. Timing.

[Captain Nemo]

That second word is a typo, right?
That too, :wink:
Got to get through lockdown somehow!

[Peppas]

Sweet. I'm famous.Yeah since Australia Day last year. Six weeks in and world shit itself. Timing. Ah, congrats mate. Ha I think it was something to do with your rules enforcement. You guys are outside my 5km but one day I'll get out there for a game...

[sms316]

Ah, congrats mate. Ha I think it was something to do with your rules enforcement. You guys are outside my 5km but one day I'll get out there for a game...
That's pretty much all I do all day - tell people they can't do anything. Very rewarding.

[Rodent]

Joe, I feel for you I really do.
Most on here know how close I live to my club, in fact I can’t finish a stubby on the walk home it’s that close!
But because across a major road it becomes an LGA hotspot I can’t access the club!
Had a look at timesheets probably 50 a day if that, only those in the LGA and 5km radius are allowed to play etc…
Talk about ****ing craziness, but that’s the way it is!
And what about all those out of work, close by that can’t play and are still paying full whack subs for the privilege!
I miss it, I miss losing my money to the old burglars, having 4 schooners after whilst having a yarn, practice, whatever but that’s just the world we are in atm…..
Hold on, ride it out!
I can't find the rule that forbids you playing golf at your course given it's within 5km of your home. Marrickville golf course is in Inner West Council (not an LGA of concern) but hole 13 and 14 cross into Canterbury-Bankstown LGA. Everyone therefore enters a hotspot LGA. Golfers put masks on when they play these holes.
I know you have to cross into a different LGA to play but according to NSW govt website a reasonable excuse to leave home is:
Exercise and outdoor recreation


Stay within your local government area. If you need to cross into another local government area, you must stay within 5km of your home.

[Peppas]

I can't find the rule that forbids you playing golf at your course given it's within 5km of your home. Marrickville golf course is in Inner West Council (not an LGA of concern) but hole 13 and 14 cross into Canterbury-Bankstown LGA. Everyone therefore enters a hotspot LGA. Golfers put masks on when they play these holes. I know you have to cross into a different LGA to play but according to NSW govt website a reasonable excuse to leave home is:Exercise and outdoor recreation

Stay within your local government area. If you need to cross into another local government area, you must stay within 5km of your home.
That wording on that rule changed yesterday.Well, I thought they added something about not entering LGAs of concern. Ask sms, he's had to enforce that rule to the Shire folk.

[markTHEblake]

This whole Dictator Dan spin is bullshit. He is not making decisions on his own, it is group decisions. Just because you don't agree does not make him a dictator.
Dictator/Chairman/Comrade Dan earned his monikers long before Covid invaded because of his socialist goals. Irony that he sold out Victoria to China through the belt and road initiative but all he got was their virus.

Take the first curfews imposed last year, he admitted that these were his decisions. He also announced the curfews 12 hours before the CHO signed off on them, despite that it being unlawful for a parliamentarian to influence public official thats been granted special powers. Now Dan is now bypassing parliamentary process (our democracy at work) by secretly negotiating new pandemic laws with 3 cross benchers (fringe minor parties) to replace current State of Emergency powers which expire soon. Which will permanently give the Premier wide ranging powers at the stroke of a pen for any pandemic.

[Rodent]

That wording on that rule changed yesterday.Well, I thought they added something about not entering LGAs of concern. Ask sms, he's had to enforce that rule to the Shire folk.
I lifted the rules straight from the NSW govt website as I posted it so assumed it was up to date.

[Rodent]

I found the rule on golf NSW website (see below) which is obviously why Nemo can't play. Problem is that no government website seems to contain that wording. I hope golf NSW hasn't stuffed up as they'll be needlessly stopping people from playing. The govt stipulates not entering LGA of concern for shopping but not for exercise.

GolfNSW:
Exercise outdoors in groups of a maximum of two (unless players are from the same household) within your own Local Government Area (LGA) OR if outside your LGA it must be within 5km of where you live and you cannot enter a local government area of concern.

NSW Government:
Exercise and outdoor recreation

Stay within your local government area. If you need to cross into another local government area, you must stay within 5km of your home.

[WBennett]

I found the rule on golf NSW website (see below) which is obviously why Nemo can't play. Problem is that no government website seems to contain that wording. I hope golf NSW hasn't stuffed up as they'll be needlessly stopping people from playing.

GolfNSW:
Exercise outdoors in groups of a maximum of two (unless players are from the same household) within your own Local Government Area (LGA) OR if outside your LGA it must be within 5km of where you live and you cannot enter a local government area of concern.

Queanbeyan GC is open, but getting fields of 60-80 rather than their normal up to 200 due to the restrictions...

Meanwhile, those across the other side of the railway line are just getting trolled by the Jerrabomberra-ites

[Rodent]

The above rules from NSW government website was for greater Sydney (not LGA's of concern). The following pertains to residents of the LGA's of concern but is almost the same and as far as golf is concerned, is the same (golf is considered exercise).
Exercise

You can leave your home to exercise or to supervise a child aged 12 years or under who is exercising or playing.
You must stay within 5km of your home if you go out for exercise or to supervise a child aged 12 years or under who is exercising or playing.
After Monday 16 August 2021 you can continue to leave your home for exercise but you cannot leave your home for outdoor recreation.

[Peppas]

That wording came out of one of the news conferences I think, and is in a service nsw email I recieved.

Doesnt matter to me though as I'm in the epicentre :)

[Rodent]

I decided to cut out the middlemen (dopes who interpret laws incorrectly) and go straight to the legislation.
https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/file/Public Health (COVID-19 Additional Restrictions for Delta Outbreak) Order 2021_210816.pdf
Schedule 1 Reasonable excuses—Greater Sydney clauses 20(2) and 21(2)(c)

5. Undertaking exercise or outdoor recreation if—
(a) the exercise or recreation is undertaken at a place—
(i) within the local government area in which the person resides or the person’s temporary accommodation is located, or
(ii) no further than 5 kilometres from the person’s place of residence or temporary accommodation, if the place is within another local government area, and
(b) for a person travelling in a private vehicle to or from the place—no other person is in the vehicle, other than—
(i) a member of the person’s household, or
(ii) the person’s nominated visitor, and
(c) for a person who is at least 18 years of age, the person—
(i) carries evidence showing the address of the person’s place of residence or temporary accommodation, and
(ii) produces the evidence for inspection if requested to do so by a police officer.

Long story short, Nemo is being dudded.

[Captain Nemo]

Rodent, after our phone convo the legislation has changed again!
We’re allowed back in under the 5km rule, although the club has decided to shut mon, tue, wed next two weeks for “coure repairs/maintenance “
Lifes good!

[Pickles]

The strategy is pretty straightforward. As soon as supply of vaccines outstrips demand open the joint up. Then it’s just a matter of get the vax or get dead.

Probably just need to concede that we'll be in lockdown in Melbourne until this happens, especially when we share a border with the shitshow currently going on north of our border.

I stupidly moved into metro melbourne from regional vic 3 weeks into what was meant to be a 6 week lockdown last year. ****ing sucks seeing all my friends and family live a somewhat normal life back in regional vic.

Hardest part is seeing my partners mental health deteriorate with no real light at the end of the tunnel just yet.

[WBennett]

Probably just need to concede that we'll be in lockdown in Melbourne until this happens, especially when we share a border with the shitshow currently going on north of our border.

I stupidly moved into metro melbourne from regional vic 3 weeks into what was meant to be a 6 week lockdown last year. ****ing sucks seeing all my friends and family live a somewhat normal life back in regional vic.

Hardest part is seeing my partners mental health deteriorate with no real light at the end of the tunnel just yet.

Can you move back?

[Pickles]

Can you move back?

Not really. I'm just being a sook anyway, grass is always greener etc.

There's always things that put it into perspective like seeing what's going on in Afghanistan at the moment.

Some days it doesn't bother me much, other days are just shit. Think tomorrow brings up 200 days in lockdown for Melbourne...

[Rodent]

Rodent, after our phone convo the legislation has changed again!
We’re allowed back in under the 5km rule, although the club has decided to shut mon, tue, wed next two weeks for “coure repairs/maintenance “
Lifes good!
Go you good thing.

[markTHEblake]

I found the rule on golf NSW website (see below) which is obviously why Nemo can't play. Problem is that no government website seems to contain that wording. I hope golf NSW hasn't stuffed up as they'll be needlessly stopping people from playing. The govt stipulates not entering LGA of concern for shopping but not for exercise.


they way it generally works in any situation, is the State govt makes the regulations, and we need to interpret them. Not every golf club can afford a lawyer to interpret how the regulations apply to their specific and often unique situations.

The State golf bodies have helped by assess and write up some guidelines, and most clubs would follow that. What golf NSW says is not the law as such, but their best interpretation of it, There is certainly cases where some clubs have acted differently.

[Dcanto]

they way it generally works in any situation, is the State govt makes the regulations, and we need to interpret them. Not every golf club can afford a lawyer to interpret how the regulations apply to their specific and often unique situations.The State golf bodies have helped by assess and write up some guidelines, and most clubs would follow that. What golf NSW says is not the law as such, but their best interpretation of it, There is certainly cases where some clubs have acted differently. Or some entities just ignore them altogether. I picked my daughter up from dancing on Thursday and caught the tail end of her class. There was no 1 person per 2 square metres and they were practising a routine for the end of year concert which involves some of the girls being lifted. This was still happening as if nothing had happened in our LGA in the past fortnight.

[sms316]

Some likely good news for golf club refugees in Southern Metro Sydney if you are unable to play your own course there is a push behind the scenes to allow you to play whichever course you can play legally. Clubs need to opt in.

[Sydney Hacker]

Monash has arranged some limited tee times with clubs like Pymble, Avondale, Killara and a few others for us refugees stuck outside the LGA (and more then 5k’s away) unfortunately with over 50% of the membership not able to play there just isn’t enough spots for everyone though.

[JoeS]

I have 4 courses within my 5km range, can't play any of them.Yet yesterday I saw a good amount of people gathering at the local shopping centre Carpark.Seems they have found a way to catch up and not break an laws.Have a shopping date, grab a coffee, sit in your car and chat for a while.

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[sms316]

I have 4 courses within my 5km range, can't play any of them.Yet yesterday I saw a good amount of people gathering at the local shopping centre Carpark.Seems they have found a way to catch up and not break an laws.Have a shopping date, grab a coffee, sit in your car and chat for a while.Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk Usually old Greeks. I swear they’re at every shopping centre. At my local instead of sitting around all day they now sit outside the doors all day. The sooner the NSW government introduce Marshall law on these ****s who think their extended family is more important that the entire population the better.

[JoeS]

Usually old Greeks. I swear they’re at every shopping centre. At my local instead of sitting around all day they now sit outside the doors all day. The sooner the NSW government introduce Marshall law on these ****s who think their extended family is more important that the entire population the better.Down here they are usually young mum's.Sit in that cars chatting, kids can scream at each other, then they probably move do a different Carpark and do it all again

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[Pickles]

I have 4 courses within my 5km range, can't play any of them.Yet yesterday I saw a good amount of people gathering at the local shopping centre Carpark.Seems they have found a way to catch up and not break an laws.Have a shopping date, grab a coffee, sit in your car and chat for a while.

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I've got 5 public courses in 5km, including one my home backs onto. Not that it matters...

Looking less likely by the day that they'll be able to contain the virus now as well.

[Toxic]

I've got 5 public courses in 5km, including one my home backs onto. Not that it matters... Looking less likely by the day that they'll be able to contain the virus now as well. Shepparton Far king hell

[sms316]

And shut down from Monday with us only being able to exercise for one hour in the LGAs on the shit list.

Coring moved forward to Monday so at least the members won’t complain about putting on Chinese Chequers this year.

[Peppas]

And shut down from Monday with us only being able to exercise for one hour in the LGAs on the shit list. Coring moved forward to Monday so at least the members won’t complain about putting on Chinese Chequers this year. Greens staff can still work right?

[spanner039]

Greens staff can still work right?

It’s essential maintenance - the issue is keeping them paid some clubs are just required staff with others on job keeper that I think nsw is eligible for.

[pt73]

That was an expensive and stupid decision, hope they got suspended too.

https://www.australiangolfdigest.com.au/the-coppers-are-going-to-come-knocking-hadleys-warning-to-sydney-golfers/

[Captain Nemo]

That was an expensive and stupid decision, hope they got suspended too.

https://www.australiangolfdigest.com.au/the-coppers-are-going-to-come-knocking-hadleys-warning-to-sydney-golfers/

A guy from my club got pinged $3k!

[pt73]

Did you see Josh Dugan was caught in Lithgow with a mate on his way to another mates place for the weekend?

Cops stopped him and told him to go back home but he ignored that and tried again so was caught again.

Will be charged …… what a moron.

[WBennett]

Did you see Josh Dugan was caught in Lithgow with a mate on his way to another mates place for the weekend?Cops stopped him and told him to go back home but he ignored that and tried again so was caught again.Will be charged …… what a moron. He has never been the sharpest tool in the shed

[Rodent]

He has never been the sharpest tool in the shedSharp or not, we all can agree he is a tool.

[sms316]

Greens staff can still work right? Yep, although only 1 has had a jab and that means they can’t cross LGAs of concern boundaries. They were given a motivating speech yesterday. It will be interesting to see if I can get a permit to come in for my one day a week.

[Ferrins]

Is the 5klm as the crow flies?

[pt73]

At present our green staff are split into two teams working different days just to be safe.

[Captain Nemo]

Yep, although only 1 has had a jab and that means they can’t cross LGAs of concern boundaries. They were given a motivating speech yesterday. It will be interesting to see if I can get a permit to come in for my one day a week.

SMS been a report a greenstaff at Randwick was positive, came from another LGA and spread it? Any truth to this?

[Ron Burgundy]

Yep, although only 1 has had a jab and that means they can’t cross LGAs of concern boundaries. They were given a motivating speech yesterday. It will be interesting to see if I can get a permit to come in for my one day a week. They can all still work if they’re an authorized worker, just from Monday you’ll need anyone from one of the 12 LGAs and not vaccinated to be surveillance tested with a rapid antigen test. As usual the detail of the policy is lagging well behind the announcement though.

[sms316]

From Monday 28/8

Leaving area of concern for work
(1) A person whose place of residence is in an area of concern must not leave the area of concern for the purposes of work unless the person is an authorised worker.
(2) An authorised worker who is at least 16 years of age and is leaving an area of concern for work must—
(a) carry evidence showing the person’s name and place of residence, and
(b) produce the evidence for inspection if requested to do so by a police officer.
(3) An authorised worker must not leave the area of concern for work unless the worker—
(a) has had at least 1 dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, or
(b) has been issued with a medical contraindication certificate.

[sms316]

SMS been a report a greenstaff at Randwick was positive, came from another LGA and spread it? Any truth to this? Haven’t heard that one. Maybe the Privacy Act actually works?

[sms316]

They can all still work if they’re an authorized worker, just from Monday you’ll need anyone from one of the 12 LGAs and not vaccinated to be surveillance tested with a rapid antigen test. As usual the detail of the policy is lagging well behind the announcement though. Just read that extra part about testing. Who knows how practical that is? Regardless a few of our lads are getting the jab next week.

[Captain Nemo]

Haven’t heard that one. Maybe the Privacy Act actually works?

Pretty sure it’s not hearsay

[sms316]

Pretty sure it’s not hearsay I don’t doubt it. I haven’t spoken to too many counterparts in recent weeks. Having said that, the golf industry and rumours go hand in hand.

[Captain Nemo]

Talk about a real **** , gives u a headache.
SMS you doing this too?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210824/638ed09a7c5353c969ba1414a6276cf5.jpg

[Captain Nemo]

This shit goes on every 2 days or so!

[markTHEblake]

Only 14 days to flatten the curve!

[sms316]

Talk about a real **** , gives u a headache.SMS you doing this too?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210824/638ed09a7c5353c969ba1414a6276cf5.jpg We shut down. It’s not viable. Seems a few clubs don’t understand the PHO and think that 1 hour of golf is ok.

[sms316]

For reference;

24 Exercise or children playing
(1) A person may leave the person’s place of residence to do the following no further than 5 kilometres from the place of residence—
(a) undertake exercise,
(b) for a child who is no more than 12 years of age—to play,
(c) to supervise a child who has left the place of residence to play.
(1A) A person must not be away from the person’s place of residence for more than 1 hour per day under this clause.
Let’s assume 5 mins each way to commute. 5 mins to unpack and check in. Only 5 mins waiting on the tee. You’re down to 40 mins on the course already.

It’s not worth it.

[WBennett]

We have laid off greens staff, just as we hit growing season. 2 or 3 blokes now work 2 days a week.

I dislike the club that owns our golf club sometimes

[sms316]

My guys are doing coring this week and then will go back to half hours. Money doesn’t grow on trees unfortunately.

[WBennett]

My guys are doing coring this week and then will go back to half hours. Money doesn’t grow on trees unfortunately.

Ainslie always take a position of cutting golf funding before football funding.

The hit they would be taking on the pokies would be quite significant though.

[sms316]

Ainslie always take a position of cutting golf funding before football funding.The hit they would be taking on the pokies would be quite significant though. We’ve lost about $160k in revenue inside the clubhouse so far. Anyway, maintaining the course to a vaguely decent standard isn’t too tough on skeleton staff. Bunkers only need attention if it pisses down. No hole cutting. Do the greens every second day. Rough once a fortnight. Fairways weekly at most. Just needs a ramp up for a few days before reopening. It’s losing spray programmes that might be an issue.

[PerryGroves]

We’ve lost about $160k in revenue inside the clubhouse so far. Anyway, maintaining the course to a vaguely decent standard isn’t too tough on skeleton staff. Bunkers only need attention if it pisses down. No hole cutting. Do the greens every second day. Rough once a fortnight. Fairways weekly at most. Just needs a ramp up for a few days before reopening. It’s losing spray programmes that might be an issue.

Is 160k predominately pokie money or combo with functions, presume after costs you just cover member service.

I was walking past a couple of closed hotels near me that some mob shelled out upwards of $120m for in the last two years. Whilst its a property play, even multi millionaire publicans must be struggling with cash flow without the punters availing themselves of the entertainment to be had in the "VIP Lounges"

What are the pokie people doing with their cash, punting something else or saving it, surely some will never go back to shovelling their hard earned into those things.

[sms316]

More bar than gaming. We only have 14 machines - just enough to provide a little cream rather than to be relied on (at least that’s the hope).

I must admit to being blind on the whole “VIP Room” thing when I moved back. I stayed in the CBD the night before my first interview and just wanted a quiet beer and saw a sign out the front. Wasn’t entirely what I was expecting.

[markTHEblake]

VIP rooms must be one of those things thats banned in Qld ! ( but one existed in the Valley basements )

[sms316]

VIP rooms must be one of those things thats banned in Qld !Intelligence? ;)

[markTHEblake]

Well... we sent you back :-) And then put a wall up to keep all the mexicans out.

[sms316]

Just read that extra part about testing. Who knows how practical that is? Regardless a few of our lads are getting the jab next week. One got in with a walk up today. Super and his 2IC hastily rebooked at Qudos Arena for tomorrow.Love it when the team work together to make things work.

[Ron Burgundy]

One got in with a walk up today. Super and his 2IC hastily rebooked at Qudos Arena for tomorrow.Love it when the team work together to make things work. Nice work. We had >100 staff from the LGAs of concern listed in our records as at Monday morning as being unvaccinated. That number is down to 40 now and will drop further by the end of the week. Turns out the alternative of getting swabbed daily is incentive enough for most. It’s likely to be mandatory by the end of Sept so assume their paycheck will be sufficient incentive for the rest of my staff across the state soon enough too.

[sms316]

The concern is with the bar crew (and this is my lingering doubt about getting the nation to 80%). All younger and a fair chunk showing resistance to getting vaxxed, even after being told that in all likelihood nobody will be allowed to work in hospo without it.

I hope I’m wrong but it’s a hunch that the young ones are going to **** it up for the rest of us.

[Toxic]

Vic covid booking site crashed this morning due to the volume of "youngies " trying to book

[Captain Nemo]

The concern is with the bar crew (and this is my lingering doubt about getting the nation to 80%). All younger and a fair chunk showing resistance to getting vaxxed, even after being told that in all likelihood nobody will be allowed to work in hospo without it.

I hope I’m wrong but it’s a hunch that the young ones are going to **** it up for the rest of us.

100% agree with this….

[Yossarian]

Ok boomer

[Captain Nemo]

Mate, honestly no idea what its like over your way……
But I’m on the road in and around Sydney’s east, inner west and a few other LGA hotspots for work.
The amount of people around doing the wrong thing is phenomenal, and I mean lots of young people, say 16-mid twenty’s.
Most should be at home schooling anyway, the rest are taking the piss, getting the govt handouts and just loitering around cafes and Macca carparks and the like.
They will be the next wave and will **** it up for the rest of us, especially in Sydney.
You can crow all you like and snigger and laugh and take the piss but when so many people that own and operate their own small business, especially something im involved with its crippling, not just financially but mentally too……

[Yossarian]

I'm definitely not trying to minimise or make fun of anything anyone is going through. I just don't think a sweeping generalisation about young people stands up to much scrutiny.

[Captain Nemo]

I respect your comment but it’s a reality especially from what I’ve seen on a daily basis…
Maybe not where you are but it is in Sydney in the hotspots…..

[Ron Burgundy]

I respect your comment but it’s a reality especially from what I’ve seen on a daily basis…Maybe not where you are but it is in Sydney in the hotspots….. To be fair, Yoss lives in the DPRWA. Under the glorious leadership of Chairman Marko, their young people are free to loiter in Maccas car parks at all hours of the day.

[markTHEblake]

They will be the next wave and will **** it up for the rest of us, especially in Sydney. Young people 20-29 already are the most infected age bracket and has been for sometime, with a survival rate of 99.98%

95% of current cases are not in hospital. There is no data reported on what age brackets are hospitalised but there is a fair chance that its stuff all young people.

[ParkRoyal]

Arguably the younger age brackets (below 40) are the most affected by the lockdowns, they are also the last to get access to vaccinations, the most likely to be casual employees, most likely to be living in smaller houses/apartments and most likely to be living with kids.

Those wondering why the 70/80 targets are important, this is the explination from the Doherty Institute
https://twitter.com/TheDohertyInst/status/1429753048050536449

Its not just the death rate to be concerned about, its the hospitalisation rates that really worry me (nurse wife and plenty of nurse friends). 'Opening' back up not just means more in hospital with Covid, but more in hospitals for other things like increased car, workplace, sporting, other accidents. Even without Covid a lot of hospitals around the country were struggling with ER wait times and available beds as well as staffing levels.

[Captain Nemo]

To be fair, Yoss lives in the DPRWA. Under the glorious leadership of Chairman Marko, their young people are free to loiter in Maccas car parks at all hours of the day.

Sad, but true mate…

[Rodent]

Lack of vaccines as an excuse isn't going to cut it any more. Yesterday we decided to vaccinate our 16yo son and booked him in for the first available Pfizer appointment. He has to wait until.....this evening.

[markTHEblake]

Thats due to late cancellations. They need to use the Pfizer because onces its removed from the -80 storage its gotta be used within a day or so or it gets discarded. Freeze/thaw cycles degrades this stuff so thats why.

Likely if you tried to get an appointment next week, they be full for 3 weeks.

[pt73]

Who cares, at least his son is getting his first dose.

[WBennett]

To be fair, Yoss lives in the DPRWA. Under the glorious leadership of Chairman Marko, their young people are free to loiter in Maccas car parks at all hours of the day.

Sounds quite appealing really.

[LarryLong]

Yoss sticking up for his people

https://media.giphy.com/media/1Qdp4trljSkY8/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e478bh648yy0dzdpb3hg6wp1vabz9eg l9wwk7o2ao0h&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

Chairman Mark would be mad not to at least consider building the wall. Tassie too, although I guess they might rely on the mainland for a fair bit of stuff.

[Yossarian]

I'm 57 years old.

[sms316]

After sitting in on a Golf Management Australia meeting today I would suggest that if you’re not double vaccinated you won’t have many playing options (let alone clubhouse) in the not too distant future.

[Steve57]

After sitting in on a Golf Management Australia meeting today I would suggest that if you’re not double vaccinated you won’t have many playing options (let alone clubhouse) in the not too distant future.
And rightly so!

[markTHEblake]

Our leaders have been saying all along we will all be free once we reach 80% vaccinated. So whats it matter if someone isnt.

As it turns out, thats been a lie all along. The goalposts keep shifting.

Next it will be lockdowns until 80% have had booster.s

[Sydney Hacker]

After sitting in on a Golf Management Australia meeting today I would suggest that if you’re not double vaccinated you won’t have many playing options (let alone clubhouse) in the not too distant future. My club has already told people that it is highly likely a condition of entry to the club will be you have to be double vaccinated, or hold a medical exemption, to get in.

[Captain Nemo]

After sitting in on a Golf Management Australia meeting today I would suggest that if you’re not double vaccinated you won’t have many playing options (let alone clubhouse) in the not too distant future.

Yep, good move pretty sure our club will mandate that…

[PerryGroves]

Could be a stellar year financially if we lose a few members who don't want to walk the line, plenty in the queue with entrance fee cheques in their hands ready to go.

[sms316]

My club has already told people that it is highly likely a condition of entry to the club will be you have to be double vaccinated, or hold a medical exemption, to get in. Clubhouse is all bar a certainty of being legislated. Course will probably be up to the clubs to a fair degree but the number of people who can exercise together will more than likely vary depending on vax status.

[Webster]

Our leaders have been saying all along we will all be free once we reach 80% vaccinated. So whats it matter if someone isnt.

As it turns out, thats been a lie all along. The goalposts keep shifting.

Next it will be lockdowns until 80% have had booster.s

Surely Jesus will save them/you?

[Captain Nemo]

Could be a stellar year financially if we lose a few members who don't want to walk the line, plenty in the queue with entrance fee cheques in their hands ready to go.

Same for us mate, plenty lining up, into the 200’s

[Sydney Hacker]

Same for us mate, plenty lining up, into the 200’s Similar story the city over apparently, clubs that haven’t had joining fees/waiting lists in 20+ years suddenly have unprecedented demand.It will be interesting to watch what happens in say 2 years when hopefully things are back to normal. Will people drift away from golf, will the ones that joined “lessor” clubs feed through to private clubs etc etc.It will also be interesting to see what happens to council owned courses and if the threats to close them go away.

[MAZA68]

Our leaders have been saying all along we will all be free once we reach 80% vaccinated. So whats it matter if someone isnt.

As it turns out, thats been a lie all along. The goalposts keep shifting.

Next it will be lockdowns until 80% have had booster.s

Nothing new there from governments and country leaders.

[pt73]

Same for us mate, plenty lining up, into the 200’s
Nemo,

What's the wear on your course like ?

With full fields most days mine is looking a bit worn as we have seen a massive increase in the # of rounds being played due to state and international borders being closed and golf being an allowed exercise.

Greens are fine but tees and fairways are very worn, mind you as we have couch so growing season only started.

We have over 100 on the waiting list.

[Captain Nemo]

It’s mint!
Our fields arnt full due to it being in an LGA
Apart from the coring of greens and some fairway scarifying etc it’s in great condition, as always!


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[Timbo]

Reading all the comments about NSW golf clubs booming in times like these, it just highlights the contrast with Victoria’s Covid policies. Clubs in Victoria must be going down the toilet after being closed for 7 months.

I wonder how welcome Dan will be at his club when he eventually decides that we can tee it up again.

[pt73]

Reading all the comments about NSW golf clubs booming in times like these, it just highlights the contrast with Victoria’s Covid policies. Clubs in Victoria must be going down the toilet after being closed for 7 months.

I wonder how welcome Dan will be at his club when he eventually decides that we can tee it up again.
My boss told me he wasn't very popular before the lockdowns in 2020 so I doubt that would have improved.

[Timbo]

Golf clubs are open from tomorrow in regional Victoria. Groups of 4 people are allowed, with no limit on the number of groups….. but no competitions allowed.

Makes sense…..

[Captain Nemo]

No competition, lol like wtf?

[Jazz18]

I can't believe so many are ok with 2 classes of people based on vaccination status, especially at a golf club of all places. The majority of activity at a golf club outside FFS!!! With 80% of the population vaccinated, how much risk are you truly at? Even now, with cases so high in Sydney, less than 1% of people tested (for the most part) are positive. That's not a huge number.

Vaccinations are not mandatory in this country and for good reason. What about those that can't have the vaccination for other reasons other than choice? What about kids that are under 12 where there is no vaccine available for them? Does that mean they can't play golf or go to a golf club at all because they can't be vaccinated? How are golf clubs qualified to make decisions about a memebers or visitors medical status? Vaccine passports and the like (which is exactly what this is) are not the way forward for Australia. I suppose everyone is ok with the use of QR codes, with no end in sight to that as well? There's also been talk on here that people should recind their rights to medical treatment for COVID if they choose not to be vaccinated? How can anyone say that with a straight face. That's a shocking statement to make. Anyone who thinks that's the way to go (it will never happen thankfully), aren't thinking properly. That's just a simplistic, emotional response.

COVID is obviously dangerous and can kill people. But so can the flu, so can pneumonia, so can a car accident, so can choking on a fish bone, so can a heart attack, so can getting hit in the head from a golf ball. Obviously these are not all the same thing as an infectious disease but the activities that lead to these incidents, all carry that risk. I don't see the Government legislating controls or restrictions sufficient to reduce the risks of all those things, much less lock people in their homes or prevent people earning a living. This is all about risk. Yes, a risk to health but it's about managing and living with that risk.

There are so many things in our lives that carry risk but because over time we are desenitised to most of those risks, we don't even consider them. COVID is a new risk in our world that we have to live with going forward, but that doesn't mean we have to throw all our values out the window and start controlling what people do or don't do based on their medical status. If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, then don't. It shouldn't mean that you have any less rights to live the life you want (within reason of course - some health professions should be required to vaccinate for the wellbeing of patients in at risk groups) compared to those that are vaccinated.

Splitting the population based on their vaccination status is the first step in the wrong direction and feels like the Government has done a great job at scaring the shit out of everyone to the point where they have lost all sense of what living with risk in a free, democratic country looks like.

[Webster]

You are beyond stupid.

[sms316]

It’s been scientifically proven that anti vaxxers cause slow play. Rounds in Sydney will be 30 minutes faster.

[LeftyHoges]

I can't believe so many are ok with 2 classes of people based on vaccination status, especially at a golf club of all places. The majority of activity at a golf club outside FFS!!! With 80% of the population vaccinated, how much risk are you truly at? Even now, with cases so high in Sydney, less than 1% of people tested (for the most part) are positive. That's not a huge number.

Vaccinations are not mandatory in this country and for good reason. What about those that can't have the vaccination for other reasons other than choice? What about kids that are under 12 where there is no vaccine available for them? Does that mean they can't play golf or go to a golf club at all because they can't be vaccinated? How are golf clubs qualified to make decisions about a memebers or visitors medical status? Vaccine passports and the like (which is exactly what this is) are not the way forward for Australia. I suppose everyone is ok with the use of QR codes, with no end in sight to that as well? There's also been talk on here that people should recind their rights to medical treatment for COVID if they choose not to be vaccinated? How can anyone say that with a straight face. That's a shocking statement to make. Anyone who thinks that's the way to go (it will never happen thankfully), aren't thinking properly. That's just a simplistic, emotional response.

COVID is obviously dangerous and can kill people. But so can the flu, so can pneumonia, so can a car accident, so can choking on a fish bone, so can a heart attack, so can getting hit in the head from a golf ball. Obviously these are not all the same thing as an infectious disease but the activities that lead to these incidents, all carry that risk. I don't see the Government legislating controls or restrictions sufficient to reduce the risks of all those things, much less lock people in their homes or prevent people earning a living. This is all about risk. Yes, a risk to health but it's about managing and living with that risk.

There are so many things in our lives that carry risk but because over time we are desenitised to most of those risks, we don't even consider them. COVID is a new risk in our world that we have to live with going forward, but that doesn't mean we have to throw all our values out the window and start controlling what people do or don't do based on their medical status. If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, then don't. It shouldn't mean that you have any less rights to live the life you want (within reason of course - some health professions should be required to vaccinate for the wellbeing of patients in at risk groups) compared to those that are vaccinated.

Splitting the population based on their vaccination status is the first step in the wrong direction and feels like the Government has done a great job at scaring the shit out of everyone to the point where they have lost all sense of what living with risk in a free, democratic country looks like.

I'm perfectly fine with "2 classes" of people, thank you very much. First things first, golf is not an essential activity, you don't have to do it to survive, so everyone can quit their god damn bitching about COVID restrictions and golf. ****s sake.

The highlighted part is where you absolutely shoot yourself in the foot with your argument. A flu can kill you, but we don't have a "vaccine / cure" for the flu. And this shit is bigger and badder than the flu. Pneumonia exactly the same. A car accident is circumstances outside of your control (or your own stupid doing) and the governemnt HEAVILY impose restrictions and controls by enforcing speed limits, driver distraction, roadworthiness of vehicles, seatbelts etc. How you could even begin to equate COVID with driving a car is beyond belief. Fish bones, heart attacks, golf ball hits? Jesus Christ, could you come up with any stranger, less relevant arguments to make?

Values? How about the values of protecting the weak and immuno-deficient?

Yes, I have no issues AT ALL wth QR Codes and Vaccine Passports going forward. And absolutely no issue with non-medical treatment for COVID for non-vaccinated. YOU'VE made that stupid choice, deal with the consequences. Any chance people in this ****ing lifetime want to actually take some care and responsibility for their fellow man? So ****ing sick of this me, me, me, I know better than everyone else mentality. And all this bullshit about "freedom"? Freedom doesn't give you the right to act like a complete ****wit just because you don't agree with something.

If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, give me one ****ing sane and logical reason why not. Don't have one? Prepare to have your life restricted because of it, you selfish twat.

But I suppose you're absolutely fine with the death toll climbing through the thousands unneccesarily?

[sms316]

Natural selection.

[Jazz18]

I'm perfectly fine with "2 classes" of people, thank you very much. First things first, golf is not an essential activity, you don't have to do it to survive, so everyone can quit their god damn bitching about COVID restrictions and golf. ****s sake.

The highlighted part is where you absolutely shoot yourself in the foot with your argument. A flu can kill you, but we don't have a "vaccine / cure" for the flu. And this shit is bigger and badder than the flu. Pneumonia exactly the same. A car accident is circumstances outside of your control (or your own stupid doing) and the governemnt HEAVILY impose restrictions and controls by enforcing speed limits, driver distraction, roadworthiness of vehicles, seatbelts etc. How you could even begin to equate COVID with driving a car is beyond belief. Fish bones, heart attacks, golf ball hits? Jesus Christ, could you come up with any stranger, less relevant arguments to make?

Values? How about the values of protecting the weak and immuno-deficient?

Yes, I have no issues AT ALL wth QR Codes and Vaccine Passports going forward. And absolutely no issue with non-medical treatment for COVID for non-vaccinated. YOU'VE made that stupid choice, deal with the consequences. Any chance people in this ****ing lifetime want to actually take some care and responsibility for their fellow man? So ****ing sick of this me, me, me, I know better than everyone else mentality. And all this bullshit about "freedom"? Freedom doesn't give you the right to act like a complete ****wit just because you don't agree with something.

If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, give me one ****ing sane and logical reason why not. Don't have one? Prepare to have your life restricted because of it, you selfish twat.

But I suppose you're absolutely fine with the death toll climbing through the thousands unneccesarily?I'm talking about risk. I'm not equating COVID with all those things but I can see the fear mongering from government and health officials has scared the living shit out of you.

The immuno compromised may be some of those people ur willing to kick to the kerb if they are advised by their doctor not to have a vaccination. And there are flu vaccinations and vaccinations and treatments for some types of pneumonia infections so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

All I'm saying is that there are lots of things that could kill us that we live with every day but we don't give them a second thought. Now all of a sudden we are going to discard a particular group people because they don't have a vaccination for COVID? It's not that simple.

[Jazz18]

You are beyond stupid.What a good argument, intelligently expressed.

[benno_r]

Aren't the "unvaccinated" just the "them" group the governments can point the finger at for the blame, so they can deflect it from themselves?

[Webster]

I was going to say "You are stupid", but felt it didn't go far enough.

How many jabs have you had?

[Johnno]

I'm talking about risk. I'm not equating COVID with all those things but I can see the fear mongering from government and health officials has scared the living shit out of you. The immuno compromised may be some of those people ur willing to kick to the kerb if they are advised by their doctor not to have a vaccination. And there are flu vaccinations and vaccinations and treatments for some types of pneumonia infections so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. All I'm saying is that there are lots of things that could kill us that we live with every day but we don't give them a second thought. Now all of a sudden we are going to discard a particular group people because they don't have a vaccination for COVID? It's not that simple. Advised by a doctor would be a medical exemption. Hasn't Galdys said people with 2 shots or valid medical exemptions can start the road back to the new normal.

[Jazz18]

I was going to say "You are stupid", but felt it didn't go far enough.

How many jabs have you had?Not that it's any of your business but 2.

[Jazz18]

Advised by a doctor would be a medical exemption. Hasn't Galdys said people with 2 shots or valid medical exemptions can start the road back to the new normal.Could be, I haven't heard it though. Would be a good place to start.

[Webster]

You should be ok then.

[3Puttpete]

I can't believe so many are ok with 2 classes of people based on vaccination status, especially at a golf club of all places.

Golf clubs do it with members/non-members, collared shirts etc




If you want to get vaccinated, great. If you don't, then don't. It shouldn't mean that you have any less rights to live the life you want (within reason of course - some health professions should be required to vaccinate for the wellbeing of patients in at risk groups) compared to those that are vaccinated.

Splitting the population based on their vaccination status is the first step in the wrong direction

You've just split the population based on their vaccination status.

[Ron Burgundy]

Everyone has freedom of choice, but not freedom from consequences. It applies to the COVID vax like it does to every other aspect of life.

Don’t want the vax. Fine
Don’t want to wear a seatbelt. Fine
Don’t want to pay tax. Fine

Just get ready for the consequences.

[benno_r]

Everyone has freedom of choice, but not freedom from consequences. It applies to the COVID vax like it does to every other aspect of life.

Don’t want the vax. Fine
Don’t want to wear a seatbelt. Fine
Don’t want to pay tax. Fine

Just get ready for the consequences.

You'll still get medical treatment if you choose not to wear a seatbelt and have an accident though.

[Ron Burgundy]

You'll still get medical treatment if you choose not to wear a seatbelt and have an accident though. So will the folks who choose malaria tablets or horse dewormer instead of the vax.

[Jazz18]

You'll still get medical treatment if you choose not to wear a seatbelt and have an accident though.Or if you speed.....or if you're drunk or on drugs.

[Jazz18]

So will the folks who choose malaria tablets or horse dewormer instead of the vax.There have been many people around the world who have been treated that way. Many countries endorsing it. Japan is one of them I heard. Why not at least put effort into investigating it? It seems the TGA have dismissed it outright before it was even looked at.

[benno_r]

So will the folks who choose malaria tablets or horse dewormer instead of the vax.

Exactly, and I am OK with that.

Avoiding the vaxx if you have no legitimate reason to is silly IMO, but denying our fellow Australians medical assistance for ANY reason is even sillier.

[Ron Burgundy]

There have been many people around the world who have been treated that way. Many countries endorsing it. Japan is one of them I heard. Why not at least put effort into investigating it? It seems the TGA have dismissed it outright before it was even looked at. You’re free to take it too. If nothing else you won’t have malaria or equine parasites.

[Jazz18]

Golf clubs do it with members/non-members, collared shirts etc



You've just split the population based on their vaccination status.

I was waiting for this one.

Collared shirt Vs medical procedure. The collared shirt won't kill you. The vaccination could. Small risk, but people still need to have the freedom to make the choice.

And of course, there needs to be exceptions. An old person in the retirement village doesn't choose who looks after them each day and should be protected as they are in a high risk group. We must protect the vulnerable. But why should someone making a choice be stopped from going to the pub or playing golf or going to restaurant or going to work to earn a living ie living life. It's not right.

[Ron Burgundy]

Exactly, and I am OK with that.Avoiding the vaxx if you have no legitimate reason to is silly IMO, but denying our fellow Australians medical assistance for ANY reason is even sillier. No one is ever going to be denied lifesaving healthcare regardless of their personal choices. It’s not how the healthcare system works. Everything outside of that is fair game. ‘No shirt, no shoes, no service’ can reasonably become ‘no shirt, no shoes, no vax, no service’.

[Jazz18]

You’re free to take it too. If nothing else you won’t have malaria or equine parasites.So none of any of the research done to date is valid? It's all bullshit?

[Ron Burgundy]

So none of any of the research done to date is valid? It's all bullshit? Yes. It’s all bullshit.

[LeftyHoges]

I'm talking about risk. I'm not equating COVID with all those things but I can see the fear mongering from government and health officials has scared the living shit out of you.

The immuno compromised may be some of those people ur willing to kick to the kerb if they are advised by their doctor not to have a vaccination. And there are flu vaccinations and vaccinations and treatments for some types of pneumonia infections so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

All I'm saying is that there are lots of things that could kill us that we live with every day but we don't give them a second thought. Now all of a sudden we are going to discard a particular group people because they don't have a vaccination for COVID? It's not that simple.

You ABSOLUTELY equated COVID to them WHEN YOU COMPARED THEM.

"Fear mongering"???? What the **** are you on about??? I read information on COVID from Health Officers and Virologists, who pass their knowledge on to / advise Governments. The only thing I fear is the braindead ****tards who think they know better than scientists with decades of years of experience in such a specialised field.

I'm trying NOT TO kick the immuno-compromised to the kerb, you dolt. They CAN'T have a vaccinatioon, which is why the rest of us NEED to. So that they can function in society once we get to a FAR MORE manageable level.

You're right, there ARE plenty of things that can kill us that we live with every day. The stuff that is likely to happen without controls (ie. car accidents) are HEAVILY regulated, as I explained earlier. The absolute lightning strike stuff (fish bones, getting hit by a golf ball) we don't worry about because basic society as a whole has deemed them acceptable levels of risk.

Let me make it clear, the ONLY group I'm happy to discard are the anti-vaxxers. Society as a whole will be far better off without those mouth-breathing, self-serving, "flag-waving", "you can't take away my civil rights" morons.

[benno_r]

No one is ever going to be denied lifesaving healthcare regardless of their personal choices. It’s not how the healthcare system works. Everything outside of that is fair game. ‘No shirt, no shoes, no service’ can reasonably become ‘no shirt, no shoes, no vax, no service’.

I know that, but there is a growing sentiment that even basic medical service should also be denied (Covid or Non-covid related). I have no real opinion on the other parts of the proposals, but the thought that denial of any healthcare is even considered really bothers me.

[Jazz18]

You should be ok then.It's not just about me. It's about what people want our community to be.

[Jazz18]

Yes. It’s all bullshit.Ok then

[Jazz18]

You ABSOLUTELY equated COVID to them WHEN YOU COMPARED THEM.

"Fear mongering"???? What the **** are you on about??? I read information on COVID from Health Officers and Virologists, who pass their knowledge on to / advise Governments. The only thing I fear is the braindead ****tards who think they know better than scientists with decades of years of experience in such a specialised field.

I'm trying NOT TO kick the immuno-compromised to the kerb, you dolt. They CAN'T have a vaccinatioon, which is why the rest of us NEED to. So that they can function in society once we get to a FAR MORE manageable level.

You're right, there ARE plenty of things that can kill us that we live with every day. The stuff that is likely to happen without controls (ie. car accidents) are HEAVILY regulated, as I explained earlier. The absolute lightning strike stuff (fish bones, getting hit by a golf ball) we don't worry about because basic society as a whole has deemed them acceptable levels of risk.

Let me make it clear, the ONLY group I'm happy to discard are the anti-vaxxers. Society as a whole will be far better off without those mouth-breathing, self-serving, "flag-waving", "you can't take away my civil rights" morons.Why the insult? Cause I don't share the same opinion as you? It's a bit juvenile.

I'm no fan of them either as a general rule but there some people who may not be choosing to have this one because they're always anti vaxx. They might be cautious if this one for many reasons, not least of all because of some of the government's messaging. My wife and I were those people until we discussed it together and we are definitely not anti vaxxers.

It's not that black and white and the fact that there are A LOT of people with the same opinion as you about this situation in Australia is scary. Get the jab and ur a good person, don't get it and ur a **** and should be treated like a piece of shite.

It's not right.

[Webster]

It's not just about me. It's about what people want our community to be.

Rights and privileges are fundamentally not the same thing. Your inability to comprehend this is what deflates your argument further with every post.

[LeftyHoges]

Why the insult? Cause I don't share the same opinion as you? It's a bit juvenile.

I'm no fan of them either as a general rule but there some people who may not be choosing to have this one because they're always anti vaxx. They might be cautious if this one for many reasons, not least of all because of some of the government's messaging. My wife and I were those people until we discussed it together and we are definitely not anti vaxxers.

It's not that black and white and the fact that there are A LOT of people with the same opinion as you about this situation in Australia is scary. Get the jab and ur a good person, don't get it and ur a **** and should be treated like a piece of shite.

It's not right.

WHAT GOVERNMENT MESSAGING!?!?! What the hell are you on about? The Government says to get a vax. What other message is there?

Yes, THERE ARE A LOT of people with the same opinion as me. Majorities usually represent the feeling of a greater group of people that have all come to a conclusion through sane and rational thought and / or research, compared to the minority who get their information from Facebook and their "friends brothers cousins mothers housecleaner, who heard it from their hairdresser".

Being anti-vax against all other vaccines doesn't make being anti-vax about the COVID vaccine any better. It just makes you MORE wrong.

[Jazz18]

Rights and privileges are fundamentally not the same thing. Your inability to comprehend this is what deflates your argument further with every post.It's clear that yourself and several others are ok with mandating medical procedures. Mandating by proxy in this case. You're still forcing people to do something they shouldn't be forced to do. Forcing people to take a medication or their whole life goes down the toilet??? I'll say it again, it's not right. Rights and privileges regardless. The fact that you can't see how this separation of people based on their medical status is appalling.

[3Puttpete]

It's clear that yourself and several others are ok with mandating medical procedures. Mandating by proxy in this case. You're still forcing people to do something they shouldn't be forced to do. Forcing people to take a medication or their whole life goes down the toilet??? I'll say it again, it's not right. Rights and privileges regardless. The fact that you can't see how this separation of people based on their medical status is appalling.

When did you decide you should be the one to determine the exceptions?

[Jazz18]

WHAT GOVERNMENT MESSAGING!?!?! What the hell are you on about? The Government says to get a vax. What other message is there?

Yes, THERE ARE A LOT of people with the same opinion as me. Majorities usually represent the feeling of a greater group of people that have all come to a conclusion through sane and rational thought and / or research, compared to the minority who get their information from Facebook and their "friends brothers cousins mothers housecleaner, who heard it from their hairdresser".

Being anti-vax against all other vaccines doesn't make being anti-vax about the COVID vaccine any better. It just makes you MORE wrong.

So you've just conveniently forgotten all the politicians and health experts advice about AZ? Jeanette Young's quote was special. "No I don't want anyone under 40 to get the AZ as they are at higher risk of illness from AZ than COVID," or words to that effect. That was a doozy. That stuff sticks. And in case you missed it, the messaging over AZ has changed multiple times in the last few months.

And yes, the fact that the majority of people think about this the same way as you is scary. You claim to be about thinking if others but as soon as they don't share your view, you'll cast them to the scrap heap.

It's not right.

[Dotty]

Right on, Brother Jazz.

I don't have children, so the government shouldn't dictate to me to drive under 40kmh in school zones.

[LeftyHoges]

It's clear that yourself and several others are ok with mandating medical procedures. Mandating by proxy in this case. You're still forcing people to do something they shouldn't be forced to do. Forcing people to take a medication or their whole life goes down the toilet??? I'll say it again, it's not right. Rights and privileges regardless. The fact that you can't see how this separation of people based on their medical status is appalling.

So you'd happily open the country up now with a 40% vaccination rate (not that vaccination rate is consequential at all to you) and just live with the hundreds of thousands of deaths?

[Jazz18]

When did you decide you should be the one to determine the exceptions?I didn't. I don't make those decisions. Government and employers have. Just like the broader decisions. I don't make them, I only agree or disagree. That's all any of us do at the end of the day.

[Captain Nemo]

Natural selection.

Darwin would be pleased…

[Jazz18]

So you'd happily open the country up now with a 40% vaccination rate (not that vaccination rate is consequential at all to you) and just live with the hundreds of thousands of deaths?Where did you get 40% from? What's that got to do with it?

[Captain Nemo]

Title of thread needs changing, just sayin….:lol:

[Jazz18]

Title of thread needs changing, just sayin….[emoji38][emoji38]

[Jazz18]

Right on, Brother Jazz.

I don't have children, so the government shouldn't dictate to me to drive under 40kmh in school zones.Driving at 40kph doesn't involve a forced medical procedure.

[LeftyHoges]

So you've just conveniently forgotten all the politicians and health experts advice about AZ? Jeanette Young's quote was special. "No I don't want anyone under 40 to get the AZ as they are at higher risk of illness from AZ than COVID," or words to that effect. That was a doozy. That stuff sticks. And in case you missed it, the messaging over AZ has changed multiple times in the last few months.

And yes, the fact that the majority of people think about this the same way as you is scary. You claim to be about thinking if others but as soon as they don't share your view, you'll cast them to the scrap heap.

It's not right.

That's fine for AZ then, wait for the Pfizer jab. And do all the socially responsible things like not go to a ****ing packed Bondi Beach.

No, it's not scary. For some reason it's scary to you, god knows why, but it's not scary to THE MAJORITY.

And I'm only thinking of the other sane and sensible poeple, not the idiots. I don't care about idiots. Happily cast them "to the scrap heap".

[3Puttpete]

I didn't. I don't make those decisions. Government and employers have. Just like the broader decisions. I don't make them, I only agree or disagree. That's all any of us do at the end of the day.

The problems with your posts as I see them, and this is true for anyone attempting to make any point, are extreme statements about it being wrong to treat people differently based on their vaccination status. You state this as an absolute then agree there should be exceptions.

Similar rules have been in place for years for unvaccinated children not being allowed to enrol in child care. Other than rabid anti-vaxxers, very few people seem to have a problem with this.

Adopting the stance so strongly now comes across as some sort of COVID lunacy.

[Captain Nemo]

That's fine for AZ then, wait for the Pfizer jab. And do all the socially responsible things like not go to a ****ing packed Bondi Beach.

No, it's not scary. For some reason it's scary to you, god knows why, but it's not scary to THE MAJORITY.

And I'm only thinking of the other sane and sensible poeple, not the idiots. I don't care about idiots. Happily cast them "to the scrap heap".

no, no, no, need people to keep going to Bondi and drink coffee and buy bacon and egg rolls!
How the **** an I supposed to support my gambling addiction with no money coming in!
FFS Lefty….!

[Jazz18]

That's fine for AZ then, wait for the Pfizer jab. And do all the socially responsible things like not go to a ****ing packed Bondi Beach.

No, it's not scary. For some reason it's scary to you, god knows why, but it's not scary to THE MAJORITY.

And I'm only thinking of the other sane and sensible poeple, not the idiots. I don't care about idiots. Happily cast them "to the scrap heap".

You don't get it. If you and the "majority" are willing to cast people to the scrap heap for having a different opinion or thought process on this, what's next? How about you think about the fact that one day it might be you on the other side of the discussion and the one copping the flack.

Instead of running your mouth off at me, how about you think about it for more than a few seconds and take your emotion out of it. Opinion or decisions based on emotion are rarely well guided.

[LeftyHoges]

Where did you get 40% from? What's that got to do with it?

I got the 40% from the Australian Governemnt Health website, and what the **** do you mean what's that got to do with it?

So you don't want people vaccinated, want to open up the country, and just "accept the risk"? That's essentially what you've said so far.

This thing KILLS. We're at over 4.5m worldwide, with no sign of it stopping any time soon. With fantastic hospitals, health professionals and scientific technologies and methods.

Enjoy your 500,000 avoidable deaths in this country alone just so you can return to your "normal life". I'll bet those in the health profession would be looking forward to never being able to return to their normal life again either because of it.

[LeftyHoges]

You don't get it. If you and the "majority" are willing to cast people to the scrap heap for having a different opinion or thought process on this, what's next? How about you think about the fact that one day it might be you on the other side of the discussion and the one copping the flack.

Instead of running your mouth off at me, how about you think about it for more than a few seconds and take your emotion out of it. Opinion or decisions based on emotion are rarely well guided.

What's next? ****s sake. ](*,)Fortunately it won't be me on the other side copping the flak because if it's something that the MAJORITY decide it's for the betterment of the country / people / who / whatever.

I dont have emotion on THIS, I have emotion on the braindead ****wits who think they know better when it comes to all this shit.

THIS situation could not be any clearer. There's NO EMOTION attached to this situation.

[Jazz18]

The problems with your posts as I see them, and this is true for anyone attempting to make any point, are extreme statements about it being wrong to treat people differently based on their vaccination status. You state this as an absolute then agree there should be exceptions.

Similar rules have been in place for years for unvaccinated children not being allowed to enrol in child care. Other than rabid anti-vaxxers, very few people seem to have a problem with this.

Adopting the stance so strongly now comes across as some sort of COVID lunacy.Only if you put people in a box and make assumptions about their opinion. As I just said to Lefty, the people that think the COVID unvaccinated should be cast to the scrap heap are not thinking this full issue through. That could be them one day if they don't share the majority opinion or point if view. Yes, you're right, there are segments of our society where those kinds of rules are already in place but and that's done selectively and reasonably but some of the stuff being said here is just going too far

[Dotty]

If enough are excluded, they can do a Monash and start their golf club.

[Jazz18]

I got the 40% from the Australian Governemnt Health website, and what the **** do you mean what's that got to do with it?

So you don't want people vaccinated, want to open up the country, and just "accept the risk"? That's essentially what you've said so far.

This thing KILLS. We're at over 4.5m worldwide, with no sign of it stopping any time soon. With fantastic hospitals, health professionals and scientific technologies and methods.

Enjoy your 500,000 avoidable deaths in this country alone just so you can return to your "normal life". I'll bet those in the health profession would be looking forward to never being able to return to their normal life again either because of it.You clearly haven't read anything else I've written here and are making a bunch of assumptions. Read all my comments.

[LeftyHoges]

Only if you put people in a box and make assumptions about their opinion. As I just said to Lefty, the people that think the COVID unvaccinated should be cast to the scrap heap are not thinking this full issue through. That could be them one day if they don't share the majority opinion or point if view. Yes, you're right, there are segments of our society where those kinds of rules are already in place but and that's done selectively and reasonably but some of the stuff being said here is just going too far

We've definitely thought the whole thing through.

Vaccination is a good thing. Black and white. By a LARGE MAJORITY.

[Jazz18]

What's next? ****s sake. ](*,)Fortunately it won't be me on the other side copping the flak because if it's something that the MAJORITY decide it's for the betterment of the country / people / who / whatever.

I dont have emotion on THIS, I have emotion on the braindead ****wits who think they know better when it comes to all this shit.

THIS situation could not be any clearer. There's NO EMOTION attached to this situation.It's not about knowing better. It's about a different opinion but too often, people think it's ok to dismiss with prejudice, other people's opinions, and when we do that, it's wrong. If you could stop being abusive for just a second, you might be able to see that I'm not arguing that you can have a different opinion, I'm arguing the basis of that opinion. You're saying I have no right to think the way I am and that I'm an idiot for doing so. That's the problem here.

[LeftyHoges]

You clearly haven't read anything else I've written here and are making a bunch of assumptions. Read all my comments.

I've read all your comments. That's the best inference ANYONE could make.

Of those three things which is incorrect?

[Jazz18]

We've definitely thought the whole thing through.

Vaccination is a good thing. Black and white. By a LARGE MAJORITY.Again, read ALL my comments in this thread. They were all made today so you don't have to look back far.

[Steve57]

We've definitely thought the whole thing through.

Vaccination is a good thing. Black and white. By a LARGE MAJORITY.
I couldn't agree more.
Just to back it up read this: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/unvaxxed-womans-harrowing-final-video-before-dying-from-covid19/news-story/9f4faade2d6b0dc25a0a1d35f8431961

[ParkRoyal]

Giving Anti-Vaxxers or the open up now crowd/**** the risk any attention just makes it worse. FFS some of them comparing themselves to slaves and that this is Aparthied, jesus wept.

If your not sure, talk to a doctor, thats it, thats all you need to do.

[Captain Nemo]

Reminder to self, turn Tapatalk notifications off!

[sms316]

Reminder to self, turn Tapatalk notifications off! Thankfully tapatalk has never been mandated

[Captain Nemo]

Thankfully tapatalk has never been mandated

Amen to that!

[LeftyHoges]

It's not about knowing better. It's about a different opinion but too often, people think it's ok to dismiss with prejudice, other people's opinions, and when we do that, it's wrong. If you could stop being abusive for just a second, you might be able to see that I'm not arguing that you can have a different opinion, I'm arguing the basis of that opinion. You're saying I have no right to think the way I am and that I'm an idiot for doing so. That's the problem here.

I give up.

[Jazz18]

I couldn't agree more.
Just to back it up read this: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/unvaxxed-womans-harrowing-final-video-before-dying-from-covid19/news-story/9f4faade2d6b0dc25a0a1d35f8431961Tragic story and a shame she didn't just go and get vaccinated when she'd made the decision.

Everyone should get vaccinated but forcing people out of society or the capability to earn a living if they choose not to get vaccinated is going too far.

[Jazz18]

I give up.Give up in what? Your opinion or trying to convince me of yours?

[ParkRoyal]

Tragic story and a shame she didn't just go and get vaccinated when she'd made the decision.

Everyone should get vaccinated but forcing people out of society or the capability to earn a living if they choose not to get vaccinated is going too far.

Which is exactly what we'll will be doing to people that can't get vaccinated if not enough people get vaccintated.

[Jazz18]

Which is exactly what we'll will be doing to people that can't get vaccinated if not enough people get vaccintated.I don't quite understand what you're meaning the way you've phrased it. Could you explain further what you mean?

[LeftyHoges]

but forcing people out of society or the capability to earn a living if they choose not to get vaccinated is going too far.

No, it's not.


Give up in what? Your opinion or trying to convince me of yours?

Clearly I'm not going to give up my opinion. Because it's sane and rational.

[3Puttpete]

It's not about knowing better. It's about a different opinion but too often, people think it's ok to dismiss with prejudice, other people's opinions, and when we do that, it's wrong. If you could stop being abusive for just a second, you might be able to see that I'm not arguing that you can have a different opinion, I'm arguing the basis of that opinion. You're saying I have no right to think the way I am and that I'm an idiot for doing so. That's the problem here.

The right to an opinion is not yours alone.

People are also allowed to say they think your opinion is stupid.

[Sydney Hacker]

If enough are excluded, they can do a Monash and start their golf club. Oi! Leave my club out of this!

[LeftyHoges]

I don't quite understand what you're meaning the way you've phrased it. Could you explain further what you mean?

He means what happened to her will happen to more people that CAN'T get the jab if the people who DON'T get the jab continue to be selfish phuckwits.

[Johnno]

no, no, no, need people to keep going to Bondi and drink coffee and buy bacon and egg rolls! How the **** an I supposed to support my gambling addiction with no money coming in! FFS Lefty….!Plus you also have the bikini girls phone photo hobby

[Jazz18]

No, it's not.



Clearly I'm not going to give up my opinion. Because it's sane and rational.Ok no worries. Well I hope for your sake you're not on the "minority" side when this type of exclusion happens again.

[Captain Nemo]

Plus you also have the bikini girls phone photo hobby

True, this lockdowns really ****ed that up, not many hot backpackers around past 18 months :(

[Jazz18]

The right to an opinion is not yours alone.

People are also allowed to say they think your opinion is stupid.Yep, agreed. Doesn't hurt to leave the abuse at the door though.

[PerryGroves]

This thread has completely changed my opinion on all matters Covid.

[LeftyHoges]

Ok no worries. Well I hope for your sake you're not on the "minority" side when this type of exclusion happens again.Don't worry, I won't be.

[3Puttpete]

True, this lockdowns really ****ed that up, not many hot backpackers around past 18 months :(

You’re one of the unseen victims. Thoughts and prayers mate.

[Ron Burgundy]

Ok no worries. Well I hope for your sake you're not on the "minority" side when this type of exclusion happens again. He’s a left handed redhead. Of course he’s usually on the minority side.

[Jazz18]

Don't worry, I won't be.You don't know that with any certainty at all. Unless you just go along with the masses on everything, which means your opinion on anything has little validity.

[Captain Nemo]

You’re one of the unseen victims. Thoughts and prayers mate.

Cheers mate, just doing my best to survive!

[LeftyHoges]

You don't know that with any certainty at all.

I'm actually very confident on that. If it's THAT big an issue that it really concerns me, the sane and rational people will, as always, be the majority. And I'll be one of them, as usual.


Unless you just go along with the masses on everything, which means your opinion on anything has little validity.

That's one hell of a conclusion to reach.

Wow.

[Jazz18]

I'm actually very confident on that. If it's THAT big an issue that it really concerns me, the sane and rational people will, as always, be the majority. And I'll be one of them, as usual.



That's one hell of a conclusion to reach.

Wow.There are plenty of things, big things that were done over history that are now seen as wrong or done differently now. You can never be sure about what's coming in the future. And to think that the majority are always right? Do you know any history at all? That is such a naive thing to say.

[BUSHY]

There are plenty of things, big things that were done over history that are now seen as wrong or done differently now. You can never be sure about what's coming in the future. And to think that the majority are always right? Do you know any history at all? That is such a native thing to say.

Native? Are you being casually racist?

[Jazz18]

Native? Are you being casually racist?What?

[Jazz18]

What?Oh, I see. Typo or auto correct. Should be naive.

[LeftyHoges]

Native? Are you being casually racist?

:lol:


There are plenty of things, big things that were done over history that are now seen as wrong or done differently now. You can never be sure about what's coming in the future. And to think that the majority are always right? Do you know any history at all? That is such a native thing to say.

I was generally just taking the piss there, as basically this is all this is now.

[Jazz18]

[emoji38]



I was generally just taking the piss there, as basically this is all this is now.Oh ok. Hard to see the change from vehement to flippant.

[3Puttpete]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210910/796a001c88a66a0a4af2b6c9329fdd01.jpg

In 3,2….

[LeftyHoges]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210910/796a001c88a66a0a4af2b6c9329fdd01.jpg

In 3,2….

I was angling to get that in here... :lol:


I'm actually very confident on that. If it's THAT big an issue that it really concerns me, the sane and rational people will, as always, be the majority. And I'll be one of them, as usual.

No dice, sadly.

[markTHEblake]

Jazz18. You mostly right on every point. ( i say only most because i read fast, might be all!)

The government is doing a very good job at turning Australians on each other, even in this close knit community, and thats sad. Wont be long before Dictator Dan can reign in his police.

Most restrictions and lockdowns are to cover the goverments asses, so they can blame us if people die. Remember that most deaths here were in aged care victoria... who screwed that up and blamed everyone else.

Just because someone is concerned about vaccination doesnt mean they are an antivaxxer, doesnt mean they get info from facebook, and doesnt mean they are not well informed, and doesnt mean they are less informed than those who are vaxxed.

Plenty of scientists and health professionals express concern about vaccinations. You can "trust the science" but the wise do know its important to listen to the 1% thats saying the opposite. Thats how science works.

Nobody can get ivermectin nor any other disputed treatment without a prescription. These are not cures either, they treat symptoms.

Why should a person need to be vaccinated who has already had covid. Such a person has better immunity than any artificial vaccine. Early research is supporting this.

[Jazz18]

Jazz18. You mostly right on every point. ( i say only most because i read fast, might be all!)

The government is doing a very good job at turning Australians on each other, even in this close knit community, and thats sad. Wont be long before Dictator Dan can reign in his police.

Most restrictions and lockdowns are to cover the goverments asses, so they can blame us if people die. Remember that most deaths here were in aged care victoria... who screwed that up and blamed everyone else.

Just because someone is concerned about vaccination doesnt mean they are an antivaxxer, doesnt mean they get info from facebook, and doesnt mean they are not well informed, and doesnt mean they are less informed than those who are vaxxed.

Plenty of scientists and health professionals express concern about vaccinations. You can "trust the science" but the wise do know its important to listen to the 1% thats saying the opposite. Thats how science works.

Nobody can get ivermectin nor any other disputed treatment without a prescription. These are not cures either, they treat symptoms.

Why should a person need to be vaccinated who has already had covid. Such a person has better immunity than any artificial vaccine. Early research is supporting this.Yep, agreed. Didn't know about your last paragraph but that sounds promising.

[markTHEblake]

Yep, agreed. Didn't know about your last paragraph but that sounds promising. A vaccine is simply an artificial replication of how our immune system responds to virus. ( thats a really basic explanation)

[Jazz18]

A vaccine is simply an artificial replication of how our immune system responds to virus. ( thats a really basic explanation)Yep, for sure. But I didn't realise there had been evidence that having the virus and recovering would be more effective than the vaccines themselves.

[markTHEblake]

The papers published on this are very recent, in the last couple weeks, and not yet peer reviewed. Thats understandable because there hasnt been enough time for extended studies.

I *think* that its a university in Israel thats being reported on. Probably not hard to find in google.

[Jazz18]

The papers published on this are very recent, in the last couple weeks, and not yet peer reviewed. Thats understandable because there hasnt been enough time for extended studies.

I *think* that its a university in Israel thats being reported on. Probably not hard to find in google.Cool thanks for the info

[Captain Nemo]

Lefty so fired up!
Should be at the track at Cairns getting on the cans, lol

[Jazz18]

Lefty so fired up!
Should be at the track at Cairns getting on the cans, lolSounded like he was already on the liquid confidence if you ask me.........

[Captain Nemo]

Sounded like he was already on the liquid confidence if you ask me.........

Races are on there, crowds allowed in, I hope so cause I’d give anything to do that right now!

[Jazz18]

Races are on there, crowds allowed in, I hope so cause I’d give anything to do that right now!The end of the tunnel is now in sight for us thankfully. Hopefully the Government don't do a backflip on that too.

[markTHEblake]

n
The end of the tunnel is now in sight for us thankfully. Hopefully the Government don't do a backflip on that too. The states have already told us they gonna backflip.

QLD -, she said she will not hesitate to impose snap lockdowns to keep children under 12 safe. (after 80% vaxxed)

NSW-, kept promising more freedoms once 6 million vaccinated, got there end August, gave the state 1 hour outside per day starting in 2 weeks time. Now moved goalpost to 80% double vaxxed, which is due mid nov.

WA- talking up 0 cases target

Vic- I forget what Dictator Dan has recently backflipped on (cant seem him agreeing with Fed govt on anything), and he is still busy working on new permanent state of emergency power legislation.

[Jazz18]

n The states have already told us they gonna backflip.

QLD -, she said she will not hesitate to impose snap lockdowns to keep children under 12 safe. (after 80% vaxxed)

NSW-, kept promising more freedoms once 6 million vaccinated, got there end August, gave the state 1 hour outside per day starting in 2 weeks time. Now moved goalpost to 80% double vaxxed, which is due mid nov.

WA- talking up 0 cases target

Vic- I forget what Dictator Dan has recently backflipped on (cant seem him agreeing with Fed govt on anything), and he is still busy working on new permanent state of emergency power legislation.It looks like WA and QLD premiers will renege on the national plan to open up at the same time as other states, but you wouldn't expect.anything different from those two politicians. I haven't been bothered to keep up with that detail on the last couple if days though. They change their minds so often.

At this point, I just hope Gladys keeps her promise to lift restrictions at 70% double vaccinated so that we can move around again. People need to be able to get back to work and we need to get back on the path to get kids back to school. They're ones that are baring a huge load here for such a low risk group. The vulnerable are protected and once everyone has had the chance to vaccinate if they want, we should be good to free up a bit more hopefully.

[pt73]

https://www.golfindustrycentral.com.au/golf-industry-news/royal-melbourne-leads-the-way-with-covid-no-jab-no-play-policy/

[LeftyHoges]

Sounded like he was already on the liquid confidence if you ask me.........Good thing nobody asked you.

[AndyP]

It is a bit hypocritical of the golf industry.
"We should be able to play golf during the lockdown. You can't catch COVID playing our sport."
Nek minnut.
"No jab. No play."

[benno_r]

It is a bit hypocritical of the golf industry.
"We should be able to play golf during the lockdown. You can't catch COVID playing our sport."
Nek minnut.
"No jab. No play."Easy way to open up the books for a raft of new nomination fees.

[markTHEblake]

https://www.golfindustrycentral.com.au/golf-industry-news/royal-melbourne-leads-the-way-with-covid-no-jab-no-play-policy/

This is an extremely intelligent and well thought out written statement coming from the Captain of Royal Melbourne - he cant enforce this, and wouldnt be surprised if a cheeky lawyer takes this on a challenge.


Club captain Andrew Kirby made it clear there would be exemptions for those whose medical conditions ruled out a jab, but declared zero tolerance for anti-vaxxers.

“A legitimate medical reason will not be: I am waiting for Pfizer; I could not get a vaccination appointment yet; I don’t trust the vaccines, the vaccines are a conspiracy to embed us with 5G network tracking devices etc,” Mr Kirby wrote.



No medical exemption certificate will ever state a reason for exemption, and it will be unlawful to force someone to reveal what their exemption is.

As there are no such "vax laws" yet covering public life, we can only draw conclusions from Mask wearing explanations on the respective State health websites, such as QLD says it is an unlawful human rights violation if a person is discriminated against for not wearing a mask if they have a lawful reason not to, and they do not have to provide any proof of that. One doesnt even have to say which lawful reason it is.

[Ron Burgundy]

No medical exemption certificate will ever state a reason for exemption, and it will be unlawful to force someone to reveal what their exemption is.As there are no such "vax laws" yet covering public life, we can only draw conclusions from Mask wearing explanations on the respective State health websites, such as QLD says it is an unlawful human rights violation if a person is discriminated against for not wearing a mask if they have a lawful reason not to, and they do not have to provide any proof of that. One doesnt even have to say which lawful reason it is.FWIW the NSW exemption certificate specifically describes that level of detail and requires a doctor to separately sign off that a patient is medically contraindicated to each vaccine. It’s very rare to be contraindicated from both (and soon to be 3) of them. And NSW residents are required to carry with them at all times proof of their lawful reason to not wear a mask, albeit those are easier to get and include a stat dec. Businesses in NSW can absolutely refuse service to unmasked people without repercussion (possibly other than providing life saving healthcare). No idea about the other states though.

[markTHEblake]

And NSW residents are required to carry with them at all times proof of their lawful reason to not wear a mask, albeit those are easier to get and include a stat dec.
Thanks for sharing, The NSW rules are unique in respect of the requirement to carry the proof of lawful reason to not wear a mask. Doesnt say it has to be shown on request by anyone, except for this
"If you are in a situation where masks are mandatory, a police officer can ask you to confirm the lawful reason you are not wearing a face mask." Thus, only the Police have the right to ask.


Businesses in NSW can absolutely refuse service to unmasked people without repercussion (possibly other than providing life saving healthcare). .

I do see this described on this page somewhat, but its rather vague on what a businesses obligations are to those lawfully exempted, other than to say "they should be familiar with the exceptions (https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/covid-safe/customer-record-keeping/mandatory-electronic-check-in#exceptions) and speak to the person to understand their circumstances."
https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/changes/face-mask-rules

I am not sure if there could be possibly no repercussions, whatever human rights violation was described on the QLD website is originating from all that socialist international human rights rubbish from Euro, which trumps local laws and commonsense.

[Dcanto]

Races are on there, crowds allowed in, I hope so cause I’d give anything to do that right now! There are even a few backpackers around the place (must be some of the few left in the country). I saw some at one of the local beaches a week ago - no pics though, the company I was with would not have approved.

[Captain Nemo]

Boooo!

[Captain Nemo]

Good thing nobody asked you.

did you go to the track?

[LeftyHoges]

did you go to the track?Nah, normal day at the office for me.

[Captain Nemo]

Nah, normal day at the office for me.
WTF!
Havnt heard of sickies….lol

[Daves]

I am hearing we are about to go into another snap lockdown in SEQ.

[3Puttpete]

I am hearing we are about to go into another snap lockdown in SEQ.

It wouldn’t surprise. Shut it down for a few days and see how things go with school holidays coming up.

Places in Sunnybank have been added to the list of exposure sites. They’re always crowded.

[pt73]

This is an extremely intelligent and well thought out written statement coming from the Captain of Royal Melbourne - he cant enforce this, and wouldnt be surprised if a cheeky lawyer takes this on a challenge.



No medical exemption certificate will ever state a reason for exemption, and it will be unlawful to force someone to reveal what their exemption is.

As there are no such "vax laws" yet covering public life, we can only draw conclusions from Mask wearing explanations on the respective State health websites, such as QLD says it is an unlawful human rights violation if a person is discriminated against for not wearing a mask if they have a lawful reason not to, and they do not have to provide any proof of that. One doesnt even have to say which lawful reason it is.
It would be brave decision by any member to launch court action against RM and not end up an outcast.

[Jazz18]

It would be brave decision by any member to launch court action against RM and not end up an outcast.You mean they wouldn't already be?

[backintheswing]

I am hearing we are about to go into another snap lockdown in SEQ.Well there goes my trip to Brisbane to attend my daughter's admission to the Qld Law society. **** Anna .

[3Puttpete]

Well there goes my trip to Brisbane to attend my daughter's admission to the Qld Law society. **** Anna .

It’s not happening today

[backintheswing]

It’s not happening todayNeither is the admission

[3Puttpete]

Neither is the admission

Bugger

[AndyP]

Maybe there would have been a lockdown in the past, but there are NRL finals to consider.

[pt73]

You mean they wouldn't already be?
As the article says the members support the idea and members who sue clubs like this don’t tend to last long.

Many years ago a guy at a club near me sued the club after he was suspended, he was caught cheating (inflating his handicap and he was a low single figure) in open events at other clubs.

He managed to win but nobody would play in his group so he left.

That’s all I was referring to.

[sms316]

As the article says the members support the idea and members who sue clubs like this don’t tend to last long.Many years ago a guy at a club near me sued the club after he was suspended, he was caught cheating (inflating his handicap and he was a low single figure) in open events at other clubs.He managed to win but nobody would play in his group so he left.That’s all I was referring to. Did he move north?

[markTHEblake]

I am hearing we are about to go into another snap lockdown in SEQ. Yep, right on queue to distract us from the euthanasia legislation that’s going to parliament very shortly.

[Jazz18]

As the article says the members support the idea and members who sue clubs like this don’t tend to last long.

Many years ago a guy at a club near me sued the club after he was suspended, he was caught cheating (inflating his handicap and he was a low single figure) in open events at other clubs.

He managed to win but nobody would play in his group so he left.

That’s all I was referring to.All good, I knew what you meant. I was just being flippant. I just meant they're gonna be an outcast if they sue or not.