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chappy1970
28th August 2006, 02:14 PM
With the assistance of Bruce's handy work with the camera yesterday, I would appreciate any views on why my swing fails me so often.
Thanks in advance.
http://tenpm.com.au/OzGolf/Chappy.MOV

Chappy

Ducky
28th August 2006, 03:06 PM
Your takeaway and backswing look good. However, when you make the transition from the backswing into the downswing your body 'spins out' and you are unable to maintain your spine angle. I am assuming your misses will start left and either hook/slice depending on whether or not your clubface is close/open.

To prevent lifting your spine angle (i.e. your head), ensure that your hands are sufficiently spaced from your body. If they are too close, you will have a tendency to lift on the downswing to give your hands room.

Please see the swing sequence in the below post for an example.

chappy1970
28th August 2006, 03:10 PM
Your takeaway and backswing look good. However, when you make the transition from the backswing into the downswing your body 'spins out' and you are unable to maintain your spine angle. I am assuming your misses will start left and either hook/slice depending on whether or not your clubface is close/open.

To prevent lifting your spine angle (i.e. your head), ensure that your hands are sufficiently spaced from your body. If they are too close, you will have a tendency to lift on the downswing to give your hands room.

Please see the swing sequence in the below post for an example.

Cheers Duckman, I'll give it a go.

Ducky
28th August 2006, 03:13 PM
http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_1.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_2.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_3.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_4.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_5.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_6.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_7.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_8.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_9.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_10.gif

Ducky
28th August 2006, 03:14 PM
http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_11.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_12.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_13.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_14.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_15.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_16.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_17.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_18.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_19.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_20.gif

Ducky
28th August 2006, 03:15 PM
http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_21.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_22.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_23.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_24.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_25.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_26.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_27.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_28.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_29.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_30.gif

Ducky
28th August 2006, 03:15 PM
http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_31.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_32.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_33.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_34.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_35.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_36.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_37.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_38.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_39.gif http://www.bencummings.net/golf/swings/chappy/Chappy_40.gif

Ducky
28th August 2006, 03:17 PM
Sorry for the multiple posts, the forums won't allow me to include it all in one post.

For the change in spine angle compare frame 1 to frame 24-25.

jaster
28th August 2006, 03:32 PM
Chappy - Nice swing!!

I can see what Ducky is getting at but I think it is far from a major issue and would prefer to see a behind the ball view before commenting on spine angles. You do get taller through impact but this is a common thing because it allows you to create more width and speed. Again a behind the ball view would be good.

When you say "my swing fails me so often" what do you mean? Is there a particular bad shot that you have?

What about in a typical round is there a miss you have more often than not? Given that you are off 9/10 I hesitate to say too much as you are already obviously a decent ball striker.

Do you practice much?

chappy1970
28th August 2006, 03:47 PM
Chappy - Nice swing!!

I can see what Ducky is getting at but I think it is far from a major issue and would prefer to see a behind the ball view before commenting on spine angles. You do get taller through impact but this is a common thing because it allows you to create more width and speed. Again a behind the ball view would be good.

When you say "my swing fails me so often" what do you mean? Is there a particular bad shot that you have?

What about in a typical round is there a miss you have more often than not? Given that you are off 9/10 I hesitate to say too much as you are already obviously a decent ball striker.

Do you practice much?

Therein lies the problem Jaster, muscle memory. Just don't get to practice.

Not sure how to overcome that just yet.

I suppose the fault that I see more regularly than any other is sometimes I get a bit quick. this introduces a power fade and hitting the ball thin with the irons.

I've worked hard on not over swinging as that used to make control nearly impossible.

jaster
28th August 2006, 04:03 PM
Well you still are playing to 10 ok so maybe you don't need practice. :) As it's a personal thing (time/family/commitment etc) that's something only you can overcome so I'll leave that alone.

Overswinging can be a problem but it appears as though your tempo was good. A few things I will mention below may help regardless.

Being too quick, hitting thin and that lovely power fade are all related rather closely. I personally hit similar shots at the moment as I am too hesitant to go and have a "dig" at the ball. Your problem may be what we highlighted above, the fact that you are standing up through impact, this could easily lead to any of the 3 faults/errors.

I would try a couple of things and see which one works.

1. Simply concentrate on keeping down through impact. It is as simple as it sounds especially with your irons. Just hit down and feel yourself staying down.

2. If you find that not working try widing your stance a little. This will lower you anyway, give you a firmer base and allow you to get lower through the ball.

Lasty, try playing 1 club extra for a while and hitting semi punches. For example every 7 iron approach take 6 iron, 4 iron hit 3 etc etc.....grip 1 - 2 inches down and conentrate in trying to hit down and through while takeing a shorter more controlled swing. This will make sure you contact is more solid and also should reduce that horrible "blade" shot happening or really should stop it all together.....this should also help with the overswinging as you should only need 3/4 swings with the extra club.

Hope this helps.

Jaster

Bruce
28th August 2006, 04:52 PM
The only problem I see with Ducky's analysis is the potential for user induced camera wobble. I am no tripod - in any sense of the word.

That may account for some of the variation.

I'll get some behind shots next time for everyone. I didn't realise I was doing them for swing analysis purposes more for show. Next time for sure.

McMw
28th August 2006, 05:14 PM
not enough knee flex was the first thing I picked up...

watching the Reno Open, they did an analysis on Day's swing, and basically, they drew a straight line down from his shoulders to his toes, and his knees were in line...it's all about the set-up...

not really clear in the pics above, but doesn't seem like there's any flex in the right knee...

can't tell much about change in spine angle...u need down the line shots to confirm that...

Ducky
28th August 2006, 05:16 PM
The only problem I see with Ducky's analysis is the potential for user induced camera wobble.
Yup, but you can also compare his head to stationary objects such as the tree in the background.

;)

Toolish
28th August 2006, 07:58 PM
Main thing I noticed was you got a bit quick in transition and lost rythm at times, that was when the low hook appeared off the tee.

Other than that your swing is technically pretty good, like we were saying, hard to go low with no practise!

gazgolf1
1st September 2006, 06:22 PM
No major problems to my untrained eye...a little flat footed coming into impact,I'd like to see your right heel starting to come off the ground a little earlier...unless you're Kenny Perry in disguise.
I too suffer from skinny hits with the irons and I'm trying to concentrate on turning my stomach left through impact...if your gutz pops out you lose your body angles.
Solid swing tho.:)

gazgolf1
1st September 2006, 06:35 PM
http://img15.imgspot.com/u/06/243/05/applebypanel21157102872.jpg

I like the first pic of Stuart Appelby half way down with his weight moving left,thats what I'm trying to get at....I think this is what I need to do to. ;)