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Fishman Dan
30th June 2006, 10:27 PM
I can't see anyone beating Federerererer.

Lleyton struggling against this Korean fella, they've both come out smashing the ball. Lleyton had 3 break points in the 2nd game of the last set and failed to win the game.

goughy
1st July 2006, 05:37 AM
He seems unbeatable except on clay, when that nadal (or whatever) fella takes over.

I always found it strange how highly some of the clay court specialists get in the rankings. I think it was one of the agentinian players a few years ago who was pretty much no. 1 in the world but couldn't go boo on anything but clay. Maybe mr P can explain how they rank so high.

Personally federer is the most enjoyable player I found to watch since sampras. And sampras was the best to watch since macinroe.

Would absolutely love to have seen a match between federer and sampras at their peaks. That game could have gone on forever.

Jarro
1st July 2006, 06:42 AM
Federer all the way.

The man is a freak

Fishman Dan
1st July 2006, 07:26 AM
Goughy, funny you say that.. I totally agree, but most labelled Sampras as the most boring tennis player ever. I think he was just the complete package. Great to watch on the court. No one will ever forget that Australian Open Final against Agassi.

goughy
1st July 2006, 07:39 AM
I'm astounded that sampras was considered boring, considering llendal, courier, chang etc. Some of the shots sampras could hit used to freak me. I don't even think federer can hit the down-the-line forehand that sampras used to pull off. And his overheads were a thing of beauty.

What I loved to watch was his ability to play all styles of game. He could match it against the base liners, he could play the volley game. One of the most complete players of all time. Federer is easily the continuation of this. But I don't think federer has the same competition that sampras was playing against. Nadal is a clay specialist, rodic has never competed against him and I don't think has reached the level we expected. Who else is there to compete on the same level as him??

Sampras during his career had lendl?, courier, agassi (at his peak) etc.

In general these days, I find tennis pretty boring. I'll watch specific people, but there aren't many left. Federer and Hingis would be my top picks. Both top thinkers on the court, can set things up and play varied games. Hingis to reach No.1 again (I wish).

goughy
1st July 2006, 07:40 AM
Goughy, funny you say that.. I totally agree, but most labelled Sampras as the most boring tennis player ever.

Maybe the most boring to talk to. Nice wife tho :shock: She didn't find him too boring. And I believe he's a good golfer too.

AndyP
1st July 2006, 07:41 AM
Goughy, you may be thinking of Gustavo Kuertan, who is Brazilian, I think. He got to number one after winning the French Open, and dominating on clay. The thing is, clay court specialists can be pretty handy on hardcourt too, but ordianary on grass. Very few tournaments are played on grass, so I doubt they care.

So much of the circuit is played on the European clay, that some of these guys have inflated rankings as far as the world game goes.
That said, Nadal is a genuine no 2.

AndyP
1st July 2006, 07:44 AM
Sampras was considered boring because of his personality. I didn't like him because he was a wanker.

Courier and Lendl were pretty much pre-Sampras. I can't think of too many besides Agassi, maybe late Becker.

connico
1st July 2006, 08:29 AM
During sampras career he had alot of competition, some of the top players of all time played and lost and some of them beat sampras.

Just to give you a hint of what he had to go through to get his first slam...

US open 1990

R16: Muster (Bad a4se forehand)
QF: Lendl (Champion 8 slams)
SM: McEnroe (Rage King)
F: Agassi (baseliner, returner)

now you cant say that was an easy draw for him to get to his 1st slam at the US.

Other players he would have played during this career, which you guys prob wont remember much.

Courier (baseliner
Becker (server volley expert)
Chang (all court specialist and on energizer)
Enqvist (All rounder)
Martin (Big server, big forhand)
Kafelnikov (all rounder)
Ivanisevic (big serve, and much later server vollier)
Rusedski (all rounder with a big serve)
Henman (young henman was tough to beat)
Corretja (excellent court management and consistent)
Moya (exciting to watch, clayman but could also proform on grass and HC)
Costa (big game)
Pioline (consistent, one of the most underrated players imo)
Korda (big serve, big forehand)
Rafter (one of australias best, just his back didnt hold)

come on he had some pretty tough oposition here...

Jarro
1st July 2006, 08:36 AM
so are you saying Federer doesn't have the same sort of quality opposition that Sampras had ?

i hope not ....

Flowergirl
1st July 2006, 08:36 AM
Sampras was considered boring because of his personality. I didn't like him because he was a wanker.

Courier and Lendl were pretty much pre-Sampras. I can't think of too many besides Agassi, maybe late Becker.

Don't hold back AndyP - tell us what you really think of him:mrgreen:

Fishman Dan
1st July 2006, 08:41 AM
FG - i was going to say edzachery the same thing! :shock: Let's just hope AP is at peace with himself ;)

Connico - why would we not be aware of names that a 20-somethingyoung year-old can rattle off?? ;)

I don't think there's the caliber of opposition for Federer, but he completely dominates them. If Lleyton could keep away from that bogan for a decent peroid of time he'd give Fed a run for his money, but i guess he has his priorities.

connico
1st July 2006, 08:46 AM
Federer doesnt have the same quantity of opposition, his he has some tough matches but he only really meets quality in the Semis and the finals..the rest is just dead weight.

and dan...you guys might have forgotten them because of sampras brillance syndrome..come on there is only two names synonymous to tennis after the 1990 to the turn of the century...that was agassi and sampras...

Fishman Dan
1st July 2006, 09:00 AM
Silly me... i seem to have forgotten.... :roll: No need to mention names like Ivanisevic, Rafter.....

AndyP
1st July 2006, 09:12 AM
Half of the names you listed there, connico, are nothing special. Henman? You're kidding right?

Why don't you list the top 10 now? Federer's opposition is just as good, and he is squashing most.

Can we go back to a serious discussion now?

goughy
1st July 2006, 10:26 AM
Look what I started :)

Fishman Dan
2nd July 2006, 03:23 PM
Half of the names you listed there, connico, are nothing special. Henman? You're kidding right?

Why don't you list the top 10 now? Federer's opposition is just as good, and he is squashing most.

Can we go back to a serious discussion now?

Come on AP.. surely you remember Rusedski - that half-American born Pommy that won..... um..... the attendance award at his high school.... or Todd Martin who won.... um.... the tallest tennis player award.

Moe Norman
2nd July 2006, 04:04 PM
Would absolutely love to have seen a match between federer and sampras at their peaks. Federer spanked him at Wimbledon when he was 20 and didn't quite have the mental aspect of his game sorted yet. Sampras was at or near his peak at the time and won wimbledon a few more times afterwards.


What I loved to watch was his ability to play all styles of game. He could match it against the base liners, he could play the volley game. One of the most complete players of all time. Federer is easily the continuation of this. All styles, maybe? But compared to Federer? Not even close. Sampras never went close to winning a French Open. Federer is brilliant on all surfaces, he's the best by a large margin on 3 surfaces and the second best by a small margin on clay. (Yes there are 4 surfaces, US Open and Aus Open are played on very different types of hard court)

AndyP
2nd July 2006, 04:18 PM
or Todd Martin who won.... um.... the tallest tennis player award.
I'm pretty sure he won "The Nicest Guy on Tour" award a few times too.

Michael Stich was an absolute gun too........

Fishman Dan
2nd July 2006, 04:28 PM
Ooh, could be bordering on the (late) 80's there AP.. not that we'd remember.

AndyP
2nd July 2006, 04:42 PM
Ooh, could be bordering on the (late) 80's there AP.. not that we'd remember.
Aawwww, crap. You might have caught me out there. I know nothing about tennis.

AndyP
6th July 2006, 04:14 AM
Well played by Baghdatis. Pretty shit effort by Lleyton. He really needs to attack more.

Hardly seems worth going back to bed.

Jarro
6th July 2006, 07:55 AM
i though Hewitt was supposed to walk all over this guy ???

AndyP
6th July 2006, 08:32 AM
Why's that? Although Lleyton was favourite, Baghdatis played in the Aus Open final earlier this year, so he's no chump. In fact, he might even make connico's all time greats list........
He looks like he has found some of the form from the start of the year. I'd almost say that Lleyton was flogged last night.

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Sorry, I fell asleep on the keyboard.

Fishman Dan
6th July 2006, 08:34 AM
..but probably the most intriguing thing you've ever posted AP! ;)

I heard a comment from Lley Lley prior to the match that he "was just going to try and hang in there...". Sounds like a pretty negative way to approach a match.

AndyP
6th July 2006, 08:39 AM
I heard a comment from Lley Lley prior to the match that he "was just going to try and hang in there...". Sounds like a pretty negative way to approach a match.
And that's exactly what he did. Worked great a couple of years ago, now it doesn't cut it.

You have to win points. And the opposition are just blasting winners from all over the place.

connico
6th July 2006, 09:52 AM
connico's all time greats list........

think you should keep sleeping, didnt say my list was all time great, just a list of sampras opposition when he was playing.

Bags was the better play last night, Hewitt just plain sucked and played the defensive crap that he knows he needs to quit playing

McCoy
8th July 2006, 06:54 PM
H-H and Mauresmo tonight, I hope the frog wins it because I feel sorry she cops the "choker" tag. Poor old channel 9 must be "ecstatic" to have this final, is anyone going to watch it and does anyone care?

PS: Clijsters is "ordinary" to look at, but I'd rather nail her than H-H as she's got great fun bags.

connico
8th July 2006, 07:03 PM
H_H to win!!!!

goughy
8th July 2006, 09:52 PM
PS: Clijsters is "ordinary" to look at, but I'd rather nail her than H-H as she's got great fun bags.

But you'd want to close your eyes or turn the lights off. One look at her face and you might think your with Lleyton.

AndyP
9th July 2006, 07:18 AM
I'm glad that Mauresmo won again, after that debacle at the OZ open, and I can't stand Enin-Ardenne.

connico
9th July 2006, 08:51 AM
i couldnt stay up for the whole match, go so boring for me...watched the first two sets then just conked out...ffs is womans tennis so...umm hard to watch...

Fishman Dan
9th July 2006, 10:10 PM
H_H to win!!!!

Can you post your tips sooner? I want to know who not to back.

Most Western European nations and their sportspeople are sick of you barracking for them!!

AndyP
9th July 2006, 10:30 PM
It's Fed Time.
Federer 5-0 Nadal

Moe Norman
9th July 2006, 11:12 PM
remember what happened at the french?

6-1 then downhill.

Hopefully not this time, I have $50 on a straight sets victory.

AndyP
9th July 2006, 11:14 PM
Your money is looking in trouble right now then. 6-0 3-5.

Moe Norman
9th July 2006, 11:17 PM
he had 3 break back points - bloody hell Roger!

AndyP
9th July 2006, 11:20 PM
And done. Nadal's hand may have just been planted on his throat.

6-0 5-5

Moe Norman
9th July 2006, 11:20 PM
5-5 yeah baby!

c'mon Rog, I did my doe on the Wobblies, need you to cover my losses!

Jarro
10th July 2006, 03:45 AM
6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3 to the Rog 8)

finally beat the kid :roll:

AndyP
10th July 2006, 06:36 AM
Gee, those guys know how to play tennis.

Moe Norman
10th July 2006, 07:06 AM
and that completes a shocking weekend on the punt :(

Fishman Dan
10th July 2006, 08:07 AM
5-5 yeah baby!

c'mon Rog, I did my doe on the Wobblies, need you to cover my losses!

You're kidding aren't you? Surely it was paying $1.05?

Nadal has put away claims that he's a clay-only tennis player. To back up and make it to the final on grass suggests he has more to offer.

Moe Norman
10th July 2006, 08:42 AM
I backed him to win in straight sets and also backed him at the start of the tourney not to lose a set.

money down the drain on both counts.

winning final in straight sets was paying 2.10

not losing a set for the whole tourney was paying 41

terryand
11th July 2006, 02:37 PM
So how many can he win on the trot :smt102

I can't see anyone getting too close to him for another 2 or 3 years.

People say Nadal can only get better, but Federer is only 24 and I would think he believes he has improvement in himself too.

Terry.

Fishman Dan
11th July 2006, 07:58 PM
Isn't Nadal only 21?

Could be a long running rivalry if Nadal continues to improve, and can play on more surfaces than clay...... and grass..... and ????

AndyP
11th July 2006, 10:42 PM
I think there could be a long running rivalry here. Nadal can only get better on grass, and that's scary.

I think Federer can take another step by getting better at the serve and volley caper.

Grunt
4th July 2007, 09:59 PM
How noisy is this game tonight between Sharapova and Williams?

Grunt
4th July 2007, 10:02 PM
How noisy is this game tonight between Sharapova and Williams?
Not noisy at all now, the rain has re-commenced.

AndyP
5th July 2007, 08:11 AM
How noisy is this game tonight between Sharapova and Williams?
I saw some of Henin and S Williams, and it was very hard to watch. Neither pleasing on the eyes or the ears.

I know a tennis coach that went to Wimbledon and walked out on Sharapova v Williams because it was just too noisy and annoying.

Bruce
5th July 2007, 08:25 AM
I wonder how little Lleyton will go against the world #5, Some Guy I've never heard of.

AndyP
5th July 2007, 10:39 AM
He hasn't quite come from nowhere, but he has been well and truly on the rise this year.
He started off 2007 winning the Aust Men's Hardcourt by beating Guccione in the final.

Fishman Dan
5th July 2007, 10:58 AM
Lleyton has been hitting the ball really well leading up to this, with the exception of the Queens tournament which was a bit of brain fart. His form on clay was superb. I think he'll go well - his 16th seed isn't exactly correct, he should be top 4.

The court surfaces are a bit of a mix this year. So much rain means they have been covered up too much and they haven't had enough sunlight to attempt to recover!

AndyP
5th July 2007, 11:09 AM
Stick to one surface, Fishman^Dan, surely you can't be an expert on both. ;)

dc68
5th July 2007, 11:10 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Courty
5th July 2007, 11:10 AM
:shock:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/3112/srwim3thumbnu8.jpg

Fishman Dan
5th July 2007, 11:15 AM
Stick to one surface, Fishman^Dan, surely you can't be an expert on both. ;)

You forgot to call me a dickheadedededed.

AndyP
5th July 2007, 11:18 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Tired from watching all that tennis?

Link didn't work, Courty.

I wouldn't mind seeing Lleyton's match live, but unfortunately I have to wait for The Footy Shit to finish before they start the telecast.

dc68
5th July 2007, 11:59 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Lleyton's match live, but unfortunately I have to wait for The Footy Shit to finish before they start the telecast.



You could always catch some Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's

Bruce
5th July 2007, 12:21 PM
Get courty's link from here:

http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/2007/07/serena-williams-is-a-big-giant-winner.html

Courty
5th July 2007, 12:26 PM
Link fixed.

Eag's
6th July 2007, 07:45 AM
Pffft!! Hewitt what a tosser :roll:

Fishman Dan
6th July 2007, 07:52 AM
Pffft!! Hewitt what a tosser :roll:

Nice and constructive! I thought negativity was a mortal sin around here.

No wonder we'd never heard of this 4th seed - he's 20 years old. Plays a lot like Hewitt too, baseline slugfest.

One criticism of Hewitt (apart from being a pratt 95% of the time) is the he can't adapt/change gameplan when his tactics aren't working. I guess that's why he gets rolled by Federererer and Nadal so regularly. Still, it's tough when you make the only effective break of serve and lose the match in 3 tie-breaks!

poidda
6th July 2007, 08:45 AM
Yeah and they are the matches he used to dominate. The long slugfests. Ahh well. At least he aint shagging this anymore.

http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Epearse.s/thumper/img/kimclijsters-2089_640x480.jpg

Courty
6th July 2007, 08:46 AM
:lol:

Eag's
6th July 2007, 09:34 AM
Nice and constructive! I thought negativity was a mortal sin around here.

No wonder we'd never heard of this 4th seed - he's 20 years old. Plays a lot like Hewitt too, baseline slugfest.

One criticism of Hewitt (apart from being a pratt 95% of the time) is the he can't adapt/change gameplan when his tactics aren't working. I guess that's why he gets rolled by Federererer and Nadal so regularly. Still, it's tough when you make the only effective break of serve and lose the match in 3 tie-breaks!

Bugger off Fish, you would be the most negative poster on this bloody site!!

Fishman Dan
6th July 2007, 10:04 AM
Bugger off Fish, you would be the most negative poster on this bloody site!!

No I wouldn't. (That's a pun. Get it?)

I've seen off-topic posts before, even A-Lo would struggle to get this far away from relevance. Shanks for your thoughts on Wimbledon though..

3oneday
6th July 2007, 10:05 AM
Nice and constructive! I thought negativity was a mortal sin around here. ](*,) :smt061

terryand
6th July 2007, 11:19 AM
Come on guys, styop ganging up on Fishy :-s

















He's my B!TCH :twisted:

Terry.

AndyP
6th July 2007, 11:54 AM
Nice and constructive! I thought negativity was a mortal sin around here.
Lleyton is a dick.
Tennis is boring.
GAYFL sucks.
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz.
etc, etc.

Should I have used three separate posts for those? I'm over it.

Thanks to Channel 9, basically only the fourth set was shown, and by the time I turned it on, it must have been about 3-all.
He has to do something about his serve. To break a guy then serve for the fourth set, and lose the game pretty easily, makes things very hard.
And when he was on a hot patch, he didn't capitalise.

BTW I still hate HawkEye. A ****ing piece of fluff catches the line (if that) and it corrects the linesperson and calls it in. Hewitt got done by this twice within the last couple of games.

Fishman Dan
6th July 2007, 12:30 PM
I flicked over at 11pm almost on the dot, to see Lleyton win the first point I saw - and the 3rd set. I thought I had missed the match although I also thought I had checked earlier? Seems like it was a cross at 11pm.

Obviously shown in delay, because if Lleyton had lost in straight sets they wouldn't have shown much at all!

AndyP
6th July 2007, 01:16 PM
I think it was live, Fishman%Dan. They don't start play until about 10p our time, and maybe 9p since the rain has got them behind. So 11p for the end of the third set, sounds about right.

Eag's
6th July 2007, 03:10 PM
No I wouldn't. (That's a pun. Get it?)

I've seen off-topic posts before, even A-Lo would struggle to get this far away from relevance. Shanks for your thoughts on Wimbledon though..

Who made you the bloody expert on ALL topics anyway???
Nobody likes a smart arse Fish :roll:
You make a critical remark about a persons post, and when that person responds to your remark in a negative way, you don't like it :smt017

There is good stuff posted on this forum most of the time but there is also a lot of crap bantered about which I choose not to add to.The less posts in said crappy thread, the sooner it disappears.

Fishman Dan
6th July 2007, 05:22 PM
Did 3oneday steal your login?

Gee, you'd hate to see a forum where you can't express an opinion for fear of having a different point of view.

FWIW i gave you short reply to your less than constructive comment before going on to discuss - wait for it - Wimbledon. Which one do you think was less appreciative?

Then you lost your rag....

jimandr
6th July 2007, 07:06 PM
Back to Topic.

Roger was a certainty before it started, and he's even more of one now.

I have some admiration for Nadal. For an alleged one-surface freak, he does well on grass. Made the final last year, and might do it again.

The women's is harder to predict now that Venus Williams appears to be motivated. I watched her almost lose to a Japanese nobody, and now she's thrashing Sharapova. I think she'll win if she makes the final, but you never know if she'll turn up mentally to the next match.

AndyP
6th July 2007, 07:12 PM
I thought Henin was a sure thing to win the women's title, but with Penis Williams thrashing Screamapova, it's made it a more open tournament (not that I like either of them).

Nadal is strong on both hardcourt and clay, where grass is his "weaker" surface. He's looked pretty scratchy on it so far too. I'd expect Djokovic to beat him if it they were to meet in the semis.

Fishman Dan
7th July 2007, 04:11 PM
I had a quality bout of insomnia last night due to a pretty horrible head cold. I woke up at 2:30am and couldn't get back to sleep, so flicked on the TV and saw the Henin match. Bartoli took her time to get herself into gear, but once she was in control it was pretty awesome (as far as womens tennis goes).

Gasquet was also awesome - he had his 66th to 72nd winner during the 4th set tie break, pretty awesome! Roddick had no answers.

Fishman Dan
8th July 2007, 10:03 PM
First time I've seen someone walk out to centre court wearing a pure white blazer. Looks a bit.. you know... not that there's anything wrong with that.

Nadal looks fired up. Playing games at the coin toss leaving all the dignitries out there while he takes a last slug of water.

I'm guessing Federererer, but I'll be well asleep before this one is done.

AndyP
9th July 2007, 02:06 AM
Federer is an absolute champion. Nadal played fantastic, but somehow the Champ won. I'm still not sure how.

It was an awesome match.

I'm wearing my white jacket tomorrow to commemorate the victory.

Jarro
9th July 2007, 05:27 AM
Fedexpress rocks !!!!!

A true champion and a super nice guy from the looks of it 8)

Fishman Dan
9th July 2007, 07:59 AM
I didn't see too many matches, but for mine the Dorkheadavich vs Bagdatis game was brilliant. Both players went at it hammer and tong in a match that had everything - players slipping and sliding, dodgy bounces off the surface, net cords from hell, and a ballboy who rolled an ankle and had to hobble off the court quickly to allow play to continue. A super-competitive match played in good humour by both combatants.

We'll see more of this Serbian kiddy.. what is he, 20 years old and ranked 4th in the world?!

Moe Norman
9th July 2007, 10:55 AM
Hawkeye is a joke and make it like a game of freaking poker.

3 or 4 times the linesman got it wrong and Fed didn't challenge, then on the odd occasion that he did decide to challenge, the bloody linesman was right for once!

balls that are clearly out and have been for decades, suddenly are now in because some air particles the ball passed through happened to touch the line!

AndyP
9th July 2007, 11:06 AM
I hated it for cricket and I hate it for tennis, as I've stated before. It may not have cost Fed the 4th set, but it certainly helped, and he showed great mental strength to come out and win the 5th.

dc68
9th July 2007, 11:15 AM
:-k

Bruce
9th July 2007, 11:22 AM
The tide is turning against Hawkeye in the cricket.

I was watching the WI v Eng tests and the Sky commentators didn't take it as gospel. Hawkeye was claiming balls would have clipped leg stump or the bails on a 'not out' decision and the commentary team would say "good decision" and "you can't give those ones out".

More of that sort of attitude and we can get rid of the thing entirely.

Tennis will come round to the farce eventually.

Fishman Dan
9th July 2007, 12:15 PM
Moe - The irony is that during the Australian open Federer didn't lose a single 'challenge' (maybe there was just 1?).

Bruce - That's part of the beauty of cricket. You might get stuck by a ball will clip the leg stump, but at the end of the day an umpire has to be certain that it will go on to clatter into the stumps. A lot of umpires are better off due to the phrase "You can't give those ones out".

Moe Norman
9th July 2007, 12:36 PM
Fishy,

Fed has been against it from Day 1 and said he would challenge for the sake of it, but doesn't believe the technology is accurate.

I've never considered it accurate in cricket and from what I saw at Wimbledon, it definately isn't. I think it takes the total circumfrence(sp?) of the ball into account, when obviously only a very small part of the balls surface actually hits the groud, as can be seen by marks on a clay court which look like a squash ball hit the ground, not a tennis ball. Thus balls that miss the lines by 1cm, are now considered in by hawkeye.

AndyP
9th July 2007, 01:07 PM
Moe, surely they wouldn't implement it if that was the case. It would have to take into account the ball compression also, and the replayed images seem to do that.

However, I thought I would wikipedia it and found this nice little statement

In the autumn of 2005 Hawkeye was tested by the International Tennis Federation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Tennis_Federation) (ITF) in New York City and was passed for professional use. Hawkeye reported that the New York tests involved 80 shots being measured by the ITF's high speed camera, a device similar to MacCAM. These tests have lately been questioned as a single high speed camera would have up to an inch long 'blind spot' and thus cannot measure to mm-level accuracy. Video based systems are also sensitive to heat and other environmental conditions and a single-day test could not reveal such issues. The Hawkeye system has since proved to produce erroneous results at several tournaments, such as in Dubai or at the Australian Open.

This page has a simplified version of how they do it.
http://www.hawkeyeinnovations.co.uk/?page_id=1011&PHPSESSID=ffbe85720d8c9f4344e76a464c7bcfc7


I read with interest that it was developed in 2001. I started work on a thesis topic that I came up with in 1997 or 1998 that was very similar. I aborted due to laziness. I could have been a rich man.....

Moe Norman
9th July 2007, 01:32 PM
i can't be bothered reading all that, but when they show the 'mark' on the camera of where the ball is supposed to ave landed, its always the size of a tennis ball.

despite this little quirk, I just reckon its a crock and its never been accurate in cricket and doesn't appear to be very accurate in tennis either. At least in Cricket its actually 'guessing' where the ball went so its bound to have some trouble, but in tennis it is simply a glorified replay, and as such shouldn't get it wrong!

They showed one in a 2nd round match with Henman where hawkeye called the ball in, then they just showed a regular replay with a normal camera and the ball was at least an inch out!

AndyP
9th July 2007, 01:39 PM
i can't be bothered reading all that, but when they show the 'mark' on the camera of where the ball is supposed to ave landed, its always the size of a tennis ball.It's probably longer than the size of a tennis ball, as the ball is compressed and skidding.

Fishman Dan
9th July 2007, 01:41 PM
It's probably longer than the size of a tennis ball, as the ball is compressed and skidding.

Agreed. I'm sure they show an oval-shaped, elongated 'impression' of the ball that makes contact with the ground.

Matt 3 Jab
9th July 2007, 02:18 PM
http://www.hawkeyeinnovations.co.uk/UserFiles/Image/ball_shadow.jpg

I like it, and as shown here its a compressed ball shape