Sexist Golf Club - Arundel Hills ?

[markTHEblake]

do you think Arundel is sexist or not?
Arundel Hills Article (http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9465675%255E421,00.htm)

Facts to consider;

- the young lady that the 2 men allowed to play with them is a Qld State player.

- Arundel Hills has an appalling record for its treatment of staff and ordinary members (well known on gold coast)

- Wednesdays is a men only comp day in the PM. Thursdays is Women only.

This kind of issue is popping up all over the place these days and in most cases its outright lunacy. Whats wrong with having a comp dedicated to a particular group of people?

[Fishman Dan]

At least they're referred to as 'Women golfers' these days, not 'Associates' ... :?

I have no problem with single-sex comps, it's not like we're segregating them at the door as a form of 'apartheid'.

[Golfgirl]

This issue is raising its ugly head all over the place, and I have to say that while I think the particular treatment of these women and their supporters has been apalling, in general, I can't see a problem with men and women having separate competitions.

At my new home club, all competitions are open, except for ladies comp on Thursdays, which means that I can go tee it up with the guys on Tues and Sat, but they can't play in our comp field on Thurs. Seems a bit strange to me. :?

At my old club, the ladies got changed from associates to full members, but they were only able to play on Saturday if there was enough of them to have their own competition (min. 20 players), and only a couple of lines on the sheet were allocated to them. They were not able to play in the men's Wednesday competition despite being 7 day members, but then, the men weren't able to play Tues and Thurs which were ladies comp. I can't see what is wrong with that, and I wouldn't change it.

Some people are just taking this equality thing too far.... :evil:

[markTHEblake]

if you are a male aged between 18-50 at my club then there are only 3 competitions i can play in. Wed and Saturday and Sunday.

If i was over 50 i could also play on Thursdays.
If i was female i could also play on Tuesdays
Then there is the juniors as well.

[Fishman Dan]

Similar @ Casino:

Tuesday - Veterans (55+)
Wednesday - Sheila's.. i mean chicks... i mean Women. :oops:
Thursday - Mens
Saturday - Mens (women allowed? Not sure of conditions)

I don't mean to be ageist, but those old farts getting their own comp, how unfair to the rest of society when we should be working on a Tuesday. Hobbling around in groups of 5 or 6, taking nearly 4 hours to complete their rounds. Mind you, they're probably 1/2 pissed by the time they roll of the 18th.

[drunken]

Ballina Golf Club:

Monday: Mens Comp (open to Women) in conjunction with Veterans Comp

Tuesday: Ladies Comp (NOT open to men)

Wednesday: Mens Comp (Open to Women)

Thursday: Ladies Comp (NOT Open to Men)

Friday: Mens Comp (Open to Women)

Saturday: Mens Comp in conjunction with Ladies Comp

Sunday: RSL Social Club and once a Month special Comps eg. Mixed Foursomes etc.

Now that I think about is that's alot of comps :shock:

We have a few problems with the Women playing in Mens comps, eg. our Pro thinks he's still living in the 50's and likes to wipe Womens names off the sheet if there's the timeslot a man want's isn't available :roll:

The problem is he's been there for 20 years and the older members won't get rid of him.

[Golfgirl]

Geez.....

Sounds like I could play an awful lot of golf at Ballina Golf Club seem as how I have the advantage of being a woman... :wink:

Sounds like having your cake and eating it too!! :shock:

[Speirsy11]

Ok, I know some of the people on this board are not going to like this post, and I appologize in advance......

I think it is perfectly acceptable for a club to have seperate Men's and Women's comps. Not only that, I am in favour of Men's and Women's only clubs. It honestly drives me crazy when I play Saturdays and there is a group of 4 women ahead of me. Now, I know that Men often play slow too, but in my experiences, I have found Women to generally be slower. Also, the average level of play for Women tends to be lower then that of Men. This wouldn't be a problem if the Women at my club were aware of the etiquette of allowing groups to play through, but they are not. They are so convinced that it is their right to play on a Sat morning, that they do not HAVE to let us play through no matter how far behind the group ahead they are. This is not a problem I have had with goups of Men or 2 couples playing together. Again, this is not every Woman, but a large majority of the Ladies I have played behind act in this manner.

I know it is not politically correct, but I am not against single sex clubs, or the idea of Men only shareholders and limited Ladies access to clubs. I just don't see anything wrong with a group of Men, or Women for that matter, starting a club and only allowing who they want in as members. At my home club in Canada, we have a rule allowing only Men to play Sat mornings, and Ladies only Tuesday mornings. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't see anything wrong with allocating times according to Handicap. I know of several clubs that allow only single digit handicap players out in the first 5 groups each morning, and you'd be surprised how much faster we can play.....Again, not PC, but hey, thats the way it goes......

Anyway, I appologize if anyone is offended by my opinion, but I do not appologize for the opinion itself......feel free to disagree in print here and I'll gladly respond to the best of my ability.....

Speirsy11

[Onewood]

Speirsy11, perfect letter for your committee :wink: print it and send it to them :D

I Don't like it either :cry: but I've learned to live with it :roll:

[Speirsy11]

Speirsy11, perfect letter for your committee :wink: print it and send it to them :D

I Don't like it either :cry: but I've learned to live with it :roll:

Onewood

Yeah, I'd love to send it, but I can only imagine what the associates would do....."Those damn Pennant Players think they run this golf course, who made them boss? Etc..."

I'll survive until I get to go home when I'm done Uni......

Speirsy11

[McMw]

Facts to consider;
- the young lady that the 2 men allowed to play with them is a Qld State player.
- Arundel Hills has an appalling record for its treatment of staff and ordinary members (well known on gold coast)
- Wednesdays is a men only comp day in the PM. Thursdays is Women only.
This kind of issue is popping up all over the place these days and in most cases its outright lunacy. Whats wrong with having a comp dedicated to a particular group of people?

So what's wrong with seperate comp days for mens and ladies??? :?

RP has Wed comp for mens, Thursday for ladies (tho the course is not officialy closed)...
Saturdays are Mens, but three time slots are available at the end of the field for Business Associates (not allowed in the arvo)...
Sundays are normally medley...

[markTHEblake]

It honestly drives me crazy when I play Saturdays and there is a group of 4 women ahead of me.

I couldnt care less if the group in front of me, or behind me is women. But i care about is the company that I play with, call me whatever you like but I prefer to play golf with other men.

But then again I am a red hot blooded typical Aussie male, and if there were 3 woman aged 20-25 that wear mini skirts on the time sheet, no doubt I would put my name down with them - assuming i fought off all the other perverts who are trying to get there first.

Now we know that aint gonna happen, but this is the POINT i a made with my initial post. IF the two ladies in question were a couple of "old boilers" in D grade (pls excuse the generalisation) then the male members who are in trouble as well, would not have cared less and wouldnt have said a word in support.

[Speirsy11]

I'd be curious what some of the Ladies on the site think of this, and what theyhave to say about some of the breaches of ettiquette that some of us have seen by Women at our clubs. Again, I'm not accusing them of doing this in any way, but I would assume that in their travels through golf, they would have player with far more Women then I have....

Specifically:

1. On several occaisions, I have been stuck behind a group of ladies who have fallen significantly behind the group ahead. On all occaisions, they have been unwilling to let us play through (for the record, I'm 29, not 14 so its not like it was a group of Jrs trying to get through and being idiots about it). They will say things like "Were really sorry, but were trying as hard as we can" etc... but always say "I'm sorry, but we'd like to finish in order" or something like that. Why?

2. What is the big problem with Men having their own comp times? What are your opinions on single sex courses?

3. Do you feel uncomfortable at times at the course? Is it because of the attitude some Men give you at the course? Or more that you feel like you might be doing something wrong and aren't sure, and you "perceive" a feeling of unwanteness from the Men (I use perceive for lack of a better word")?

4. Do you feel it necessary to be "extra-tough" when at the course? The other day, I hit a ball over a group of ladies who were in my fairway, maybe 150 yds from my tee (for the record, I avg over 290yds with driver, so they were safe), after having let them know I was hitting. Two of them were very nice about being in the wrong fairway and complemented me on the shot. The other 2 were very rude saying that I had "almost killed them" and I should "learn how to act on a golf course". Lets just say that didn't endear me to the idea of Women on the golf course....

If I can think of anything else I'd like to know, I'll let you know.... :?

Speirsy11