Flat Feet/Collapsed Arches

[mrbluu]

I've been recently told by my Chiro that I have flat feet or collapsed arches and he thinks I need special orthotic insoles made up.

Question, is this necessary or can I just use an off the shelf product??

Also does anyone know of a good basketball wide shoe with good arch support.

Cheers

Mrbluu

[Yossarian]

Off the shelf is no where near as good IMO.

[Johnny Canuck]

I saw a physio guy that specialised in feet.

He had orthotics that he would mould to your feet using a heat gun. They were about $50 a pair and worked great for me.

[mrbluu]

Off the shelf is no where near as good IMO.
So like golf clubs ;)

I saw a physio guy that specialised in feet.

He had orthotics that he would mould to your feet using a heat gun. They were about $50 a pair and worked great for me.
Sweet, is he near Bonnyrigg by any chance??

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[Johnny Canuck]

So like golf clubs ;)

Sweet, is he near Bonnyrigg by any chance??

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Wrong side of the country unfortunately.

I ended up getting about 6 or 7 pair over the years. They were supposed to last about a year (i found they lasted longer), but it was nice having multiple pairs, so that I wasn't constantly having to chop and change from pair to pair

[goughy]

When I first got into running, I ended up getting fitted for shoes at a proper running store in Brissie. The pod student that fitted me couldn't believe how flat my feet were. But when it came to running a moderate stability shoe was enough. Now days, as long as I have a bit of drop in my shoes I can get away with it. And for everyday use, and golf, I don't really need anything.

Go see a Physio instead about it, who may say the same thing or may give you exercises to help strengthen your feet.

Build yourself a balance board, and stand on it. Start with both feet, then go to balancing on one foot.

Did you go to your chiro for your feet, or for something else and they identified this issue as well?

[mrbluu]

Wrong side of the country unfortunately.

I ended up getting about 6 or 7 pair over the years. They were supposed to last about a year (i found they lasted longer), but it was nice having multiple pairs, so that I wasn't constantly having to chop and change from pair to pair
I can't trade pork rolls with him then :(

When I first got into running, I ended up getting fitted for shoes at a proper running store in Brissie. The pod student that fitted me couldn't believe how flat my feet were. But when it came to running a moderate stability shoe was enough. Now days, as long as I have a bit of drop in my shoes I can get away with it. And for everyday use, and golf, I don't really need anything.

Go see a Physio instead about it, who may say the same thing or may give you exercises to help strengthen your feet.

Build yourself a balance board, and stand on it. Start with both feet, then go to balancing on one foot.

Did you go to your chiro for your feet, or for something else and they identified this issue as well?
What is a drop??

I'm back playing basketball and I strained my calves. I went to the chiro so he can work on them and he identify the problem. Said he can take a mold of my feet and get orthotics made up for me. I figured it's probably the right thing to do


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[PeteyD]

I'd get another opinion, from a podiatrist or other foot specialist. Chiros are good for back pain relief but some of their other ideas are premo weird.

[Johnny Canuck]

I can't trade pork rolls with him then :(

What is a drop??

I'm back playing basketball and I strained my calves. I went to the chiro so he can work on them and he identify the problem. Said he can take a mold of my feet and get orthotics made up for me. I figured it's probably the right thing to do


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Calves. You are getting old.

I had my first calf injury of my life playing basketball last year and end up missing 6 months.

[goughy]

The drop us the angle from back to front in shoes, like running shoes. What shoes are you playing basket ball in?

Just me personally, but if I had a calf issue I'd be going to a Physio. How long have you been back playing, and how long did it take for the issue to start?

[mrbluu]

I'd get another opinion, from a podiatrist or other foot specialist. Chiros are good for back pain relief but some of their other ideas are premo weird.
You're probably right, but I'll see what he says tomorrow..

Calves. You are getting old.

I had my first calf injury of my life playing basketball last year and end up missing 6 months.
U are definitely right. Being too short for my weight doesn't help either. I hope I can sort this out and then work on strengthening them so they don't go again.


The drop us the angle from back to front in shoes, like running shoes. What shoes are you playing basket ball in?

Just me personally, but if I had a calf issue I'd be going to a Physio. How long have you been back playing, and how long did it take for the issue to start?

I got these Nikes that I've had for about 5 years.

My chiro is doing the full massage and stretching treatment of the calves like a physio would but he is hands on and not using any machines. I like that better.

Been back playing for about 4 weeks and I tweaked in the 5th week. I came back too soon last week and again this week for the first 2 games of comp as I was desperate to play comp again and get this new team off to a good start.

I'll be resting it for the next 2 weeks and see how I go.

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[Johnny Canuck]

You're probably right, but I'll see what he says tomorrow..

U are definitely right. Being too short for my weight doesn't help either. I hope I can sort this out and then work on strengthening them so they don't go again.



I got these Nikes that I've had for about 5 years.

My chiro is doing the full massage and stretching treatment of the calves like a physio would but he is hands on and not using any machines. I like that better.

Been back playing for about 4 weeks and I tweaked in the 5th week. I came back too soon last week and again this week for the first 2 games of comp as I was desperate to play comp again and get this new team off to a good start.

I'll be resting it for the next 2 weeks and see how I go.

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If you feel anything, stop. I was very cautious with mine and re-tweaked it twice which basically put me back to square one.

[goughy]

And what exercises and stretching did he give you to do at home, or is it just what he's doing, and how often do you have to see him?

I've been to Physio for knees x 3 times, plantar faciitis (spelling) and currently back. Never seen a machine in that time, but have had plenty of massage and manipulation, and heaps of stuff to do at home.

[goughy]

Just as a little side note. Most running shoes include some level of what's called drop. Usually the back is somewhere between 7 and 15mm higher than the front.

When someone first decides to try out low or zero drop shoes, or barefoot running, it is recommended to them to ease into it. Because getting rid of that drop starts putting more strain on your calves in particular until they are used to it. What you are describing sounds very similar to what happens to runners when they do this wrong. If basketball shoes are anything like converses etc, then I could certainly see you having the problems you've encountered, cause those shoes are very flat.

[mrbluu]

If you feel anything, stop. I was very cautious with mine and re-tweaked it twice which basically put me back to square one.
The first week I wasn't good to go at all and still played cos it was my first comp game in about 15years.

Last night it felt good so I eased myself into it, but felt on right calf go a bit when I took a jumper. I persisted for about another 5mins. Being a mixed comp it was really just a bit over half paced.

Anyway, I'll be sitting until I get it and my feet sorted.

And what exercises and stretching did he give you to do at home, or is it just what he's doing, and how often do you have to see him?

I've been to Physio for knees x 3 times, plantar faciitis (spelling) and currently back. Never seen a machine in that time, but have had plenty of massage and manipulation, and heaps of stuff to do at home.
Just stretching for the calves. Need to have a better chat to him tomorrow about the arches, as they are worse this week compared to last week.

Just as a little side note. Most running shoes include some level of what's called drop. Usually the back is somewhere between 7 and 15mm higher than the front.

When someone first decides to try out low or zero drop shoes, or barefoot running, it is recommended to them to ease into it. Because getting rid of that drop starts putting more strain on your calves in particular until they are used to it. What you are describing sounds very similar to what happens to runners when they do this wrong. If basketball shoes are anything like converses etc, then I could certainly see you having the problems you've encountered, cause those shoes are very flat.
I think my basketball shoes have little drop and no arch support. Orthotics might help or I'll just get new shoes.

I went to athletes foot today and they don't stock any baskebtall shoes.

Is there anywhere else that ppl would know their stuff??

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[Johnny Canuck]

Goughy is spot on about drop.

I had had Achilles issues previously and I solved them by boosting the amount of drop in my ball shoes with inserts. It solved the problem instantly

I received that tip from a teammate that had the same issue.

I did this for my calf as well.

[Yossarian]

Goughy is spot on about drop.

I had had Achilles issues previously and I solved them by boosting the amount of drop in my ball shoes with inserts. It solved the problem instantly

I received that tip from a teammate that had the same issue.

I did this for my calf as well.

I like that you refer to them in singular fashion now. Much more appropriate.

[Johnny Canuck]

I like that you refer to them in singular fashion now. Much more appropriate.

I only hurt one

[TourFit]

I've had 2 bouts of plantar fasciitis (each foot) and a bone spur.

Got orthotics made specially, and then they wouldn't fit into most of my shoes (including golf shoes). They did, however, fit into my work shoes so I was covered for about 9 hrs / day.

I did get a Strassburg sock and slept with that on for about 4 months. That really helped. It keeps the calves stretched while you sleep, so that first painful step in the morning is reduced.

[TourFit]

I had my first calf injury of my life playing basketball last year and end up missing 6 months.

You missed out on 6mths with THOSE calves???

[goughy]

I've had 2 bouts of plantar fasciitis (each foot) and a bone spur.

Got orthotics made specially, and then they wouldn't fit into most of my shoes (including golf shoes). They did, however, fit into my work shoes so I was covered for about 9 hrs / day.

I did get a Strassburg sock and slept with that on for about 4 months. That really helped. It keeps the calves stretched while you sleep, so that first painful step in the morning is reduced.

Funny you talk about the orthotics for pf. Mine came up after having been wearing Altra brand zero drop running shoes for about 9 months. It was sudden onset, but scans diagnosed it as chronic. Worked with physio for about 4 weeks, getting some relief slowly, when she asked me again about the shoes I was in, and in before them. She told me to go back to wearing my old running shoes as much as possible, so I wore them for work, everything. 2 weeks later and nearly all pain was gone and hasn't come back. While not an orthotic, they did have some drop and pushed in the arch of my foot. It's been about 3 years since now with no issues again.

[Courty]

I'd get another opinion, from a podiatrist or other foot specialist. Chiros are good for back pain relief but some of their other ideas are premo weird.

This. Times a bazillion.

Also, 5 year old shoes will be crapped out. Time to upgrade.

I tore my achilles where it fans out to attach to the heel bone (insertional tendinopathy) the first time I played in a new pair of futsal shoes with no heel drop. That extra few millimetres difference between the heel & forefoot can put a hell of a lot more strain on your achilles (which connect to your calves). Reduce that strain & you'll alleviate the stress on your legs.

[goughy]

That drop is a massive difference if you're not used to it! It doesn't sound like much, but it is.

[Daves]

Converse were the best basketball shoes for me.

Ditto re 2nd opinions, I have had little to do with Chiros by choice, but hear a lot of static about them. And I am not the greatest fan of a lot of Poddies either, seem to be always looking to pay their school fees via their treatments! They love to prescribe Othodotics! income stream for life!

A good Physio is worth their weight in gold imo!

[mrbluu]

I didn't like the chiros until I went to the few I've been seeing. They are more about muscle therapy and stretching as opposed to the other chiros I used to see and they just wanted to "adjust you". Each session is about 30-45mins and don't try to adjust u until they loosen up the muscles.

[wazamac]

Physio's all the way.

[Hatchman]

Can't go past a good physical terrorist.

[Dcanto]

....Each session is about 30-45mins and don't try to adjust u until they loosen up the muscles. Loosen up the muscles - is that what they call it these days. ;) Are you sure you are seeing a chiropractor?

[goughy]

If there's a happy ending to it, you could argue he is, cause chiro's work with bones!