Moore Park

[pt73]

Greenies want it turned into a 9 holer.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/twenty20-golf-proposed-in-new-plan-for-150year-old-moore-park-20151102-gkossf.html

[Captain Nemo]

Just like our course, and talk of eastlakes.
I reckon it will happen down the track....

[Jazz18]

Unfortunately golf is a sport in decline so greenies and idiots in Government are always going to look at doing things like this. I don't understand why they are worried about out door areas and parklands in this area. If people are going to live that close to the city in apartments, it hardly seems like they are prioritising an out door lifestyle and if they are, surely they realise they might need to travel some to do that.

[Kaniss]

"The course could be trimmed to accomodate a new walking track" whats the facination with ****en walking tracks these days? Same thing is going to happen at New Brighton Golf Course, they will lose a terrific hole along the Georges river edge to a walking track so these green scrubbers with sandals on can feel warm and fuzzy inside. Rediculous.

[pt73]

Didn't National Parks put a walking track through NSW GC that forced the club to move the 6th green ?

Great idea, let people walk through a golf course so they can potentially get hit by a golf ball, the club's insurance company would love that.

[wazandnic]

The article at Moore Park talks of an additional short hole golf course, not removing the current one. It mentions that the current course is the biggest money earner for the Centennial park trust so can;t see them losing that. Just trying to get a bit more from a short course option.



Captain, thought I read something recently saying Kogarah was only going to be cut to 9 holes for the construction works period then return to a modified 18 holer?

[Bruce Dickinson]

It's a consultation process with the aim of setting a long tem management plan for the whole facility . The golf course is working on plans to improve the financial return to the trust

http://www.centennialparklands.com.au/about/parklands_projects/moore_park_future/_nocache

Stage One: Development of the 7 Big Ideas
(January 2015 - October 2015)Stage Two: Stakeholder feedback
(October 2015 - December 2015)
Stage Three: Reviewing and analysing feedback
(January 2016 - February 2016)
Stage Four: Drafting a strategic document informed by feedback
(March 2016 - April 2016)
Stage Five: Public exhibition of draft strategic document
(May 2016 - June 2016)
Stage Six: Review, Submission and Endorsement
(July 2016 - August 2016)

[Coldtopper]

The sooner this great green space is turned into park land for all user groups to enjoy the better imo! Its a crap course and like many others should fold for the betterment to the health of all Sydney siders!

[wazandnic]

Interested to know why it is a crap course?? Many worse in Sydney IMO.

[Captain Nemo]

Interested to know why it is a crap course?? Many worse in Sydney IMO.
Many, many way worse.....

[Captain Nemo]

The article at Moore Park talks of an additional short hole golf course, not removing the current one. It mentions that the current course is the biggest money earner for the Centennial park trust so can;t see them losing that. Just trying to get a bit more from a short course option.



Captain, thought I read something recently saying Kogarah was only going to be cut to 9 holes for the construction works period then return to a modified 18 holer?

Posssibly, we had good news recently that the nsw govt is backing the new course proposal and is going thru council soon, fingers crossed...

[Coldtopper]

Any course that should be used for better purposes. Never have or we never will see a decent club fold, move, shorten, sell off, merge and that's a way to define a crap course. Golf is in decline and the more that these crap courses try and fight the imminent closure the sooner it will happen as they try and re invent the wheel. The Trust / boards don't give care about golfers and neither should they when there is so many better uses of green space.

[WBennett]

Isn't Moore Park the busiest course in Australia for number of rounds played?

If they close Moore Park GC, i predict it would be less than 2 years until the developers get their grotty hands on it and turn it into even more apartments.

Leave it as is - there are very few other public courses that close to the city.

[wazandnic]

Don't think you have read the article though CT...

"The Trust makes a significant proportion of its annual income from the golf club at Moore Park, and wants to find a way to maximise that revenue.
"We are looking at some ideas about how we might be able to create other activities in that area which will support the recreational requirements of the 40,000 people moving into Green Square over the next few years," Mr Ellis said.
But Moore Park Golf Course would remain an 18-hole facility"

I don't think you will see it folding anytime soon.

[Coldtopper]

Don't think you have read the article though CT...

"The Trust makes a significant proportion of its annual income from the golf club at Moore Park, and wants to find a way to maximise that revenue.
"We are looking at some ideas about how we might be able to create other activities in that area which will support the recreational requirements of the 40,000 people moving into Green Square over the next few years," Mr Ellis said.
But Moore Park Golf Course would remain an 18-hole facility"

I don't think you will see it folding anytime soon. Must be reading a different article! He states the course will remain (no time) is a clear indication and a quick look at the Trust members and its objectives will spell out the end of the course. Why not a bad thing IMO. The 40 hectares would make a great park for all to enjoy.

[Bruce Dickinson]

The sooner this great green space is turned into park land for all user groups to enjoy the better imo! Its a crap course and like many others should fold for the betterment to the health of all Sydney siders!
from their website, plenty of open space for the public

Moore Park comprises 146 hectares of which 115 hectares are open space.

[Bruce Dickinson]

Isn't Moore Park the busiest course in Australia for number of rounds played?

If they close Moore Park GC, i predict it would be less than 2 years until the developers get their grotty hands on it and turn it into even more apartments.

Leave it as is - there are very few other public courses that close to the city.
It's not the busiest but still a very busy and important public facility

[Captain Nemo]

I think when they talk "Moore Park" they are including a full size AFL ground and some soccer fields near Sydney Boys High, shit load of land.
Looking back now, I doubt it will close down fully, they have spent a shitload on the driving range, which stays open till midnight a few nights a week.

[Captain Nemo]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/02/3e9035e37d57502e84755a30607b3973.jpg

[Bruce Dickinson]

I think when they talk "Moore Park" they are including a full size AFL ground and some soccer fields near Sydney Boys High, shit load of land.
Looking back now, I doubt it will close down fully, they have spent a shitload on the driving range, which stays open till midnight a few nights a week.

Moore Park is one of three parks

http://www.centennialparklands.com.au/about/centennial_parklands

It's a revenue generator for the trust that helps pay for other activities, makes no sense to close

[pt73]

Great picture, so why can't the people who want access to green space use Centennial Park which is within walking distance.

Sorry I forgot that Greenies don't like golf courses ..........

[Dotty]

Great picture, so why can't the people who want access to green space use Centennial Park which is within walking distance.

Sorry I forgot that Greenies don't like golf courses ..........
If they are serious, then they would ban cars from Grand Drive and all the other roads within the park.

Oh wait. They don't like to have a long walk.

[pt73]

Yep, bicycles only and must wear hemp clothes as Lycra is person-made by evil multinational companies.

[Icestorm959]

I read it as they are looking at turning it into either half a golf course (9 holes) or to shorten the course to an 18 hole, speedy golf course where each hole is about 100 metres (in effect halving the golf course but still keeping it at 18 holes).

if either of these plans go ahead, its going to go down the shitter.

[Coldtopper]

Moore Park is one of three parks

http://www.centennialparklands.com.au/about/centennial_parklands

It's a revenue generator for the trust that helps pay for other activities, makes no sense to close Has the largest spend per acre to maintain than other facility under the Trust. Makes sene to close on pure business numbers. Public golf courses within urban boundaries are a waste of Crown land and should be used for the masses to recreate rather than the small percentage of a diminishing golfers.

[tim_golfer2]

Has the largest spend per acre to maintain than other facility under the Trust. Makes sene to close on pure business numbers. Public golf courses within urban boundaries are a waste of Crown land and should be used for the masses to recreate rather than the small percentage of a diminishing golfers.
Nearby Heffron Park has the Des Renford Aquatic Centre with a gym and multiple pools none of which my family (and probably many other families in the municipality) use. Same for the football fields & netball courts. But I wouldn't call them a waste of public land and advocate closing them down.

[Grunt]

I grew up using Heffron, from League in the Matraville corner, Union in the opposite corner near Maroubra, Swimming squad at Heffron Pool (before it was Des Renford) to chasing girl that played Netball. I gave it some good use.

[LarryLong]

Great picture, so why can't the people who want access to green space use Centennial Park which is within walking distance.

Sorry I forgot that Greenies don't like golf courses ..........

Why does everybody hate Greenies? Golf courses on coveted urban land have far more to fear from right-wing capitalists with an interest in property development these days. Greenies are more likely to see golf courses in urban areas as the lesser of two evils and lobby for them to be retained in some form.

My read of the article was that the local member wants to trim it into a proper 9-hole course and the owners want to turn it into an 18 hole Mickey Mouse pitch and putt course. Sounds like a poor outcome for golfers either way, but I'd almost go along with the Greenie on this one if I had to choose.

[tim_golfer2]

I grew up using Heffron, from League in the Matraville corner, Union in the opposite corner near Maroubra, Swimming squad at Heffron Pool (before it was Des Renford) to chasing girl that played Netball. I gave it some good use.
Squad with Barry Rogers?

[Grunt]

Squad with Barry Rogers?

Yep

[WBennett]

Why does everybody hate Greenies? Golf courses on coveted urban land have far more to fear from right-wing capitalists with an interest in property development these days. Greenies are more likely to see golf courses in urban areas as the lesser of two evils and lobby for them to be retained in some form.

My read of the article was that the local member wants to trim it into a proper 9-hole course and the owners want to turn it into an 18 hole Mickey Mouse pitch and putt course. Sounds like a poor outcome for golfers either way, but I'd almost go along with the Greenie on this one if I had to choose.

Exactly. The land is worth far 'more' to a developer to put another 10000 apartments on than as green space. What next, the SCG Carparks?

Where is that like button?

[Bruce Dickinson]

Has the largest spend per acre to maintain than other facility under the Trust. Makes sene to close on pure business numbers. Public golf courses within urban boundaries are a waste of Crown land and should be used for the masses to recreate rather than the small percentage of a diminishing golfers.
Are you actually serious or just trolling?

[Yossarian]

Why does everybody hate Greenies? Golf courses on coveted urban land have far more to fear from right-wing capitalists with an interest in property development these days. Greenies are more likely to see golf courses in urban areas as the lesser of two evils and lobby for them to be retained in some form.

My read of the article was that the local member wants to trim it into a proper 9-hole course and the owners want to turn it into an 18 hole Mickey Mouse pitch and putt course. Sounds like a poor outcome for golfers either way, but I'd almost go along with the Greenie on this one if I had to choose.

Probably because of Anne Summers.

[Dotty]

Next the greenies will want to knock down the Opera House and extend the Botanic Gardens, because they never go to the opera.

[pt73]

Next the greenies will want to knock down the Opera House and extend the Botanic Gardens, because they never go to the opera.
I doubt that as there won't be anywhere highly visible to hang their protest banners.

[Coldtopper]

Are you actually serious or just trolling? Serious. There wouldn't be a public golf course owned by a trust or government in Australia that wouldn't be looking at the downturn in returns on golf courses. Public courses are a poor use of recreational space and more need to close to ensure the better courses remain viable.

[Icestorm959]

Serious. There wouldn't be a public golf course owned by a trust or government in Australia that wouldn't be looking at the downturn in returns on golf courses. Public courses are a poor use of recreational space and more need to close to ensure the better courses remain viable.

Most public courses are struggling but I think Moore Park is the exception to the rule - they've increased green fees from about $35 (five years ago) to about $60 these days (roughly), while still being one of the busiest courses in Sydney, so I'd say their returns have been improving.

[Coldtopper]

Most public courses are struggling but I think Moore Park is the exception to the rule - they've increased green fees from about $35 (five years ago) to about $60 these days (roughly), while still being one of the busiest courses in Sydney, so I'd say their returns have been improving.
The CPMPT have in their business plan spelt out "maintains the right of the public to use Trust lands" as a clear policy is a good a indicator that golf at CPMPT is nearing a close. This land is so under utilised as a golf course. This is not a greenie thing just good policy development by turning the course into more sustainable land for all to enjoy.

[backintheswing]

They just need to find an endangered scrub Python or some similar reptile, and the greenies will jump on board and start hugging trees.

[Bruce Dickinson]

Serious. There wouldn't be a public golf course owned by a trust or government in Australia that wouldn't be looking at the downturn in returns on golf courses. Public courses are a poor use of recreational space and more need to close to ensure the better courses remain viable.
That might be an east coast view of things but most public courses in Perth are profit making and host upwards of 100,000 visits per annum. Convert them to something else and the council probably faces a cost to maintain with no guarantee of any additional recreational visitors above the 100,000 plus using that were already using the area.

The only conversion likely to occur is courses rezoned and used for housing with the loss of green space for all

[Coldtopper]

That might be an east coast view of things but most public courses in Perth are profit making and host upwards of 100,000 visits per annum. Convert them to something else and the council probably faces a cost to maintain with no guarantee of any additional recreational visitors above the 100,000 plus using that were already using the area.

The only conversion likely to occur is courses rezoned and used for housing with the loss of green space for all The Town of Cambridge Strategic Comminity Plan would be a good indicator that your little track will be a redevelopment site sooner than you think. Not that different from Moore Park if you look. The numbers in the ToC LTFP would also be alarming. Public green space for golf courses isn't sustainable as the community needs continue to develop.

[Bruce Dickinson]

The Town of Cambridge Strategic Comminity Plan would be a good indicator that your little track will be a redevelopment site sooner than you think. Not that different from Moore Park if you look. The numbers in the ToC LTFP would also be alarming. Public green space for golf courses isn't sustainable as the community needs continue to develop.
Thanks for the heads up, perhaps you would like to tell them that before they finish the upgrade to hospitality buildings currently underway. Would be a dreadful waste of money to finish in June 2016 and then have houses on it a year later.

Please note that redevelopment would require rezoning under two different planning schemes and is a freehold site owned by the Town so it wont be happening as soon as you think.

[Coldtopper]

Thanks for the heads up, perhaps you would like to tell them that before they finish the upgrade to hospitality buildings currently underway. Would be a dreadful waste of money to finish in June 2016 and then have houses on it a year later.

Please note that redevelopment would require rezoning under two different planning schemes and is a freehold site owned by the Town so it wont be happening as soon as you think.Are you talking about the same green space overlay! Anyway good luck hope your course survives the coming decade.

[Yossarian]

I think we can safely say Coldtopper has very little idea.

[hacker]

If crap public courses all go, where are the crap/beginning golfers supposed to go, should they happen to want to play golf? Wouldn't more crap golfers at good courses ruin the experience of the good golfers at the good courses? i.e You would have to play with shit golfers like me playing infront of you.

[Bruce Dickinson]

Are you talking about the same green space overlay! Anyway good luck hope your course survives the coming decade.Thanks, reasonably confident we will survive another ten years.

[Icestorm959]

If crap public courses all go, where are the crap/beginning golfers supposed to go, should they happen to want to play golf? Wouldn't more crap golfers at good courses ruin the experience of the good golfers at the good courses? i.e You would have to play with shit golfers like me playing infront of you.

Well if all the crap courses go there is still no issue with being crap. You just need to be a rich crap/beginning golfer. That's how it is working out for golf in the rest of Asia.

[meh]

I think we can safely say Coldtopper has very little idea.

This is not new.

[Kaniss]

They just need to find an endangered scrub Python or some similar reptile, and the greenies will jump on board and start hugging trees.

Bingo!. We had a job like that the greenies at Leichardt Council ran the builder to the ground because some endangered mouse or some shit lived on that land he owned. Never seen such bullshit in my whole life.

[LarryLong]

Just a gentle reminder to stay on topic and avoid sniping from the sidelines.

Peace and love, people.

[3oneday]

Noone goes outside anyway, they're all on their ipods, iphones etc.

Plenty of green space in Sydney, it's probably just wanting to extend from the showground precinct that every rich prick in Sydney has shares in.

If they want grass, drive to Randwick racecourse and walk around with the horsies :)

[Jazz18]

Noone goes outside anyway, they're all on their ipods, iphones etc.

Plenty of green space in Sydney, it's probably just wanting to extend from the showground precinct that every rich prick in Sydney has shares in.

If they want grass, drive to Randwick racecourse and walk around with the horsies :)

Spot on Pete. The silliest thing is they don't even have to go that far. Centennial park is even closer!